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Some Muslim country enforced Syariah Law, international comunity condemned islam as barbaric, midieval, intolerant religion.
christian missionary also say the same thing.

It's obvious why muslim praticed this law because it's in Quran and Hadith, God's law above manmade law. Muslim cant just pick something their like and ignore anything else, only hypocrites does that.

so my question is..

why christians don't enforce this?


And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. (Genesis 17:14)

And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.(Exodus 21:15)

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood [shall be] upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. (Exodus 21:14)

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death (Exodus 25:2)
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: (Exodus 20:4)

And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. (Leviticus 20:9-11)

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.(Leviticus 24:16)

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

i personally believe Christian don't just pick whatever suit their need, or to please other people, because they believe Bible is word of god.
so is there another reason?
 
Greetings and peace be with you MuhammadRizan;

The laws of God are a profound subject and I do not think that we shall ever fully understand them. There were no laws when Adam and Eve were created, they were given the freedom to do anything they liked apart from eat from the tree of knowledge. When Adam’s son Cain killed his brother Abel there was not a law saying thou shall not kill; so technically Cain was not breaking any laws by killing his brother.

If there are no laws then no one is guilty of doing wrong; Laws condemn people and so a person becomes guilty when they break a law.

The Ten Commandments were given to Moses many generations later, because mankind was getting more out of hand. But why did God wait for many generations before giving man the Ten Commandments?

The Old Testament and Islam seem very similar in the way their laws are written, but I believe that Jesus came to give us something greater than the Ten Commandments.

In the spirit of searching for God’s perfect law

Eric
 
Greetings and peace be with you MuhammadRizan;
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wa'alaik.

The laws of God are a profound subject and I do not think that we shall ever fully understand them.
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I agree, there are wisdoms behind all Allah command, some we can see it with naked eye, some are not.

There were no laws when Adam and Eve were created, they were given the freedom to do anything they liked apart from eat from the tree of knowledge.
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yep..since they live in paradise.

When Adam’s son Cain killed his brother Abel there was not a law saying thou shall not kill; so technically Cain was not breaking any laws by killing his brother
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yep..

The Ten Commandments were given to Moses many generations later, because mankind was getting more out of hand.
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yep..

If there are no laws then no one is guilty of doing wrong
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nop..we have common sense,feelings,intelligent...we know when something is wrong...that's what Cain feels.

Laws condemn people and so a person becomes guilty when they break a law.
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Laws condemn wrongdoing...i think..^o)


But why did God wait for many generations before giving man the Ten Commandments?
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Allah knows best..

The Old Testament and Islam seem very similar in the way their laws are written, but I believe that Jesus came to give us something greater than the Ten Commandments.
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What is that, and why?

In the spirit of searching for God’s perfect law
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maybe i'm wrong, but i think it's already there.^o)..dont u think so?
 
MuhammadRizan said:
wa'alaik.



I agree, there are wisdoms behind all Allah command, some we can see it with naked eye, some are not.



yep..since they live in paradise.



yep..



yep..



nop..we have common sense,feelings,intelligent...we know when something is wrong...that's what Cain feels.



Laws condemn wrongdoing...i think..^o)




Allah knows best..



What is that, and why?



maybe i'm wrong, but i think it's already there.^o)..dont u think so?
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maybee :-\
 
Most of the Old Testament laws were meant for the Jewish people. The New Testament is the law Christians follow. Christians believe that Christ brought about a New Covenant. That doesn't mean Christians should not obey the Ten Commandments, but if one is living a life devoted to Christ, then they are not breaking these laws to begin with.
 
peace.

Christians believe that Christ brought about a New Covenant.
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The New Covenant do have Laws right?^o)

That doesn't mean Christians should not obey the Ten Commandments,
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So New Testament do not cancel Old Commandment right?

but if one is living a life devoted to Christ, then they are not breaking these laws to begin with.
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i agree, Syariah Laws too does not effect me or majority of Muslim, since we're no adulterer, thieves,etc etc we are devout muslim (insya' Allah)...those who are punish we're convicted by a very strict standard..

but i'm not trying to be funny here:zip: because it's quite impossible no one broke His Law in 2000 years, and i've read Christian in the past do stoning blasphemer to death..

so what about Christians today?
Bible we use today is just as same as the Bible in the past, true word of God.

is it because separation church and government?

I'm assuming no because God is above all thing, ignoring, changing, or even slightest adjustment into his commandment for worldly cause is unacceptable.

so what is the reason?
 
why christians don't enforce this
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Because Christian countries are not Theocracies.
We are mostly secular countries.
Secular countries enforce secular laws.
Since there is no common understanding of “god’s laws” I think it is best to leave enforcement to god.
 
Greetings and peace be with you wilberhum;

Since there is no common understanding of “god’s laws” I think it is best to leave enforcement to god.
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Law is truly a profound subject and I agree with your statement Wilberhum, but it poses huge moral problems. Thou shall not kill is both God’s law and secular law, so how should we leave this to God?

One of the biggest problems with the law is catching the criminal and giving him a just sentence for his crime. Very few murders are committed in front of a dozen witnesses with cameras, most murders are done in a devious way to try and avoid detection and punishment.

If there is a law for executing a murderer, should that murderer fear execution by his fellow man; or should he fear God’s punishment more?

God will know for sure if the person is truly guilty, man can only guess as to the persons guilt and intentions.

How can we be certain that the person we have sentenced to death is equally guilty through the eyes of God?

In the spirit of searching for God's perfect law

Eric
 
Some Muslim country enforced Syariah Law, international comunity condemned islam as barbaric, midieval, intolerant religion.
christian missionary also say the same thing.

It's obvious why muslim praticed this law because it's in Quran and Hadith, God's law above manmade law. Muslim cant just pick something their like and ignore anything else, only hypocrites does that.

so my question is..

why christians don't enforce this?
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bro, Islam is the only religion that provides a constitution. Other religions provide only the belief system.
 
Greetings and peace be with you MuhammadRizan;

i agree, Syariah Laws too does not effect me or majority of Muslim, since we're no adulterer, thieves,etc etc we are devout muslim (insya' Allah)...those who are punish we're convicted by a very strict standard..
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I agree with you that we should all strive to obey the rules of God and also the secular rules of our country freely and willingly. If we could all do this then the law would not affect any of us. But if there were a Muslim state operating under Syariah Laws would these laws be aimed at the Muslims or more towards non- Muslims who may not fear God?

In the spirit of searching for God's perfect law

Eric
 
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bro, Islam is the only religion that provides a constitution. Other religions provide only the belief system.
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actually, judaism does also. but there is no jewish state and jews believe that there won't be until moshiakh comes. (israel is not a jewish state - it is a political entity and secular.)
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you wilberhum;
Law is truly a profound subject and I agree with your statement Wilberhum, but it poses huge moral problems. Thou shall not kill is both God’s law and secular law, so how should we leave this to God?
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Why would you assume that god's laws and man's laws were mutually exclusive?
We prosecute a murder for breaking man's law and leave god to do his justice.
One of the biggest problems with the law is catching the criminal and giving him a just sentence for his crime. Very few murders are committed in front of a dozen witnesses with cameras, most murders are done in a devious way to try and avoid detection and punishment.
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So? What system is perfect?
If there is a law for executing a murderer, should that murderer fear execution by his fellow man; or should he fear God’s punishment more?
God will know for sure if the person is truly guilty, man can only guess as to the persons guilt and intentions.
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Not my problem. Maybe god doesn't even exist.
How can we be certain that the person we have sentenced to death is equally guilty through the eyes of God?
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That is why we should leave god's justice to god.

Still, who defines "god's laws". Is god going to show up in court?
 
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Because Christian countries are not Theocracies.
We are mostly secular countries.
Secular countries enforce secular laws.
Since there is no common understanding of “god’s laws” I think it is best to leave enforcement to god.
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LMAO! Too bad God made these laws for humans to enforce on their states.
 
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LMAO! Too bad God made these laws for humans to enforce on their states.
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I'm still trying to figure out why god made different laws for different groups. :rolleyes:
This group can't eat beef, that group can't eat pork.
Some have to have common prayer on Sunday, others on Saturday.
Some groups have sub-groups that god gave different laws to.
Other groups can’t even decide what some of the laws should be. :-\

Some how I’m missing these “perfect laws from god”.
Yet there is some that claim human laws are corrupt.

By the way, what is god’s law say about going 45 MPH in a school zone?
I need a good defense. :D
 
By the way, what is god’s law say about going 45 MPH in a school zone?
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the traffic experts decide what is the maximum speed to drive in school zones, so if a kid goes in front, how fast can u stop , what is the time space to stop etc. etc.
then by Islamic law you have to follow to rulez, so you don't put in danger someone's life.
 
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the traffic experts decide what is the maximum speed to drive in school zones, so if a kid goes in front, how fast can u stop , what is the time space to stop etc. etc.
then by Islamic law you have to follow to rulez, so you don't put in danger someone's life.
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So I can go 60 if noone is around? :-\
I think I like "anything over 45 is against the law". Seams a bit more enforceable that god's. :rolleyes:
 
So I can go 60 if noone is around?

I think I like "anything over 45 is against the law". Seams a bit more enforceable that god's.
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look, if the experts said, in that zone you can't drive more than 40 , because it's dangerous, in this case you have to obey them, since they are the traffic experts and they are telling u the rules so you don't go more than 40 to put in danger poeple's livez. in this case muslims should not drive more than 40, even if they are alone. cuz Allah swt is allways watching.it's not just about fearing that you might get punished by paying xxx pounds. but the problem is that you have made like a convent with the traffic experts, that in order not to put in danger people's livez, you will not go more than 40, and if u break that convent , Allah will not be happy with u.
 
salam.
But if there were a Muslim state operating under Syariah Laws would these laws be aimed at the Muslims or more towards non- Muslims who may not fear God?
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Syariah Laws is from god, state laws is man made, some muslim country have both, most have only state laws.

And Syariah law enforced to muslim only. But non muslim living in muslim country obligated to obey state law.

One of the biggest problems with the law is catching the criminal and giving him a just sentence for his crime. Very few murders are committed in front of a dozen witnesses with cameras, most murders are done in a devious way to try and avoid detection and punishment.
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Of course God did not tell us how to run investigation or how to catch em all.
God Laws are only for wrongdoers that already convicted by a strict standard.

Muslim are not chasing people to kill all the sinners,stoning people or cutting hand it's not a fun thing to do.

I'm still trying to figure out why god made different laws for different groups.
This group can't eat beef, that group can't eat pork.
Some have to have common prayer on Sunday, others on Saturday.
Some groups have sub-groups that god gave different laws to.
Other groups can’t even decide what some of the laws should be
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As Muslims always said, this world are temporary testing ground, hereafter is the real one. This Law is also a test weither we can enforce it or not. God can do anything He wants, Some muslim country fear God more than international community, some hypocrite are not.

Personally, i have no problem when atheists mocking or whining about this Law since they're not believing God in the first place, being objective i can understand them, the best i can do is to explain the wisdom behind this Laws.

But when Christian does the same thing, it makes me curious, since the same or even stricker Law could be found in their own scripture.:ooh:

Allah is Perfect, His Messages are Perfect.
 

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