Those who deny every AHadith might as well have an 'the non-believers' t-shirt

[Curaezipirid]

Salamalaykum,

Today this is in my mind. I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds; they present themselves as atheists when they align to denying AHadith. Not everybody need be enabled to comprehend every AHadith for us all to need to attempt to.

But worst is that they suppose that because there is a method of transmission of AHadith, which they themselves can aspire to becoming a contributor to, that that in itself is the definition of the AHadith not being any accurate representation of belief in Allah.

Perhaps I should like to publish my poem about this. I might have misplaced it but.

One of the most hilarious aspects of such persons who try to counter belief by telling that it can not be real only because they like to try to have it; is that they are who tend to be thought of by the world's governments of nation states, as representative of any person in true Islam.

What do they think, that because they could lever things such as the down fall of the australian labour Whitlam government, by charging us aussies that he was wrong in not abiding in shari'ah, that thereby they might benefit now from blaming us aussies for showing only a capitalist form of governance? When they themselves can be so amply shown to be not in belief in shari'ah, and will no doubt become shown up in that atheism among every of the Americans and Arabs eventually, and so undermine their own economy: what effect might only one poem have?

The terrible thing is that I am all the more likely to find a publisher for such poetry here in australia if that section of the community here, whose public identity is in Islam, are not accepting my own Islam, or enabling that my prayer be protected from those here who love only shirk. If they continue to try to prevent any Zakat from reaching the most needy in Islam among australians, and since they are also proven in among us australians to have been portionally causal to the fall of the whitlam government, while they also are the same people who sponsor and promote a belief that AHadith are wrong only because they have noticed the process of transmission: WHY Surely they are who did fund that Australia might again be enabled in Socialism!

Salam

[doorster]

wa alaikum

I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds

Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?

salam

[Curaezipirid]

I most certainly am so following Sunnah: and in my Islam, In Sunni way, I every day in every breath work towards being in adherence with that maximum quantity of AHadith and Surah verses as is possible to sustain in any moment: and in every moment in which I am not sustaining the full Sunnah I am also consciously accepting that the Angel of Death is whom I am becoming in debt to by any tiniest non-observance.

Those who use Sunnah to implicate that not every AHadith might be true since they can not adhere to every of in every moment, are engaging in shirk and are either deluded about Sunnah thereby, or are also in kafr.

The truth is just that we have not yet the ability to commence sustaining ourselves in the real world in every moment.

[Curaezipirid]

wasalam:

The verse at 17:81, made bold below, is often held up as a single verse out of the context of its surah, as though it alone can prove that the state of mankind already should be able to be in adherence to every Ahadith and every verse of every surah all at the same time in every moment. And then there are persons whom claim that since such is impossible in their own body, it must be also impossible in any time for every person, even those of us already so able, and so they disbelieve the believers, because they themselves have not yet found out real belief in Qur'an. If they believe Qur'an then also will they believe every AHadith, even if not immediately physically able to be in total unison with every part of Shari'ah right now.

But if you read the verse well within its context, it becomes apparent that truth which has now arrived, is Qur'an. Falsehood first then began a long process of perishing permanently, and first in the mind of Mohammed, and then in the minds of his companions, and in the minds of those His companions taught, and so on and so forth, until eventually there can be no mind left whom is not in total conjunction with every AHadith and all of Qur'an; and every teaching of every Prophet.

Beware of making assumptions that because your own mind can not, that another Human beings mind also can not. I can believe and I am not so foolhardy as to assume that the process of your belief is without struggle and hardship, and many unwanted excercises in self-discipline. Belief in reality is grown from a tiny seed, into a stronger tree than any wood yet here growing. The seed is first received in full by Mohammed. And in its nature that seed teaches us of all that now is, because reality ever was and ever will be, and it is only in our own selves and minds we had become deluded into the non-real world.

See this verse 17:81 is about engaging with Qur'an to enable prayer and in that to become able to recognise reality. Perhaps those who can not believe in every AHadith will remember about the spaces between the matter they can see, and wonder upon what it is in reality that I can see and they are not yet able to.

English Yusuf Ali:

[17:77](This was Our) way with the messengers We sent before thee: thou wilt find no change in Our ways.

[17:78]Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.

[17:79]And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!

[17:80]Say: "O my Lord! Let my entry be by the Gate of Truth and Honour, and likewise my exit by the Gate of Truth and Honour; and grant me from Thy Presence an authority to aid (me)."

[17:81]And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

[17:82]We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.

[17:83]Yet when We bestow Our favours on man, he turns away and becomes remote on his side (instead of coming to Us), and when evil seizes him he gives himself up to despair!

[17:84]Say: "Everyone acts according to his own disposition: But your Lord knows best who it is that is best guided on the Way."

[17:85]They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)"

[17:87]Except for Mercy from thy Lord: for his bounty is to thee (indeed) great.

[17:88]Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

[17:89]And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!

Learn gratitude for Sunnah MASH ALLAH!

Salam

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[AmarFaisal]

:sl:

I know a person, who has denied all Ahadiths and in some instances even altered the meaning of Quranic verses (Astaghfirullah) into his own interpretations. He is my close relative. His mother says, that my sons thoughts r like that of a kafir. He think zakat is not fardh etc etc. (Astaghfirullah). This person, faces hardship in life. He has no good job and seems like he has fallen into bad company who r taking him away from his deen.

What can we do for such ppl? :enough!:

[Curaezipirid]

Just witness their t-shirts

[Umar001]

Interesting, I don't understand the whole background. I do have a question, is there a significance to writing AHadith instead of Ahadith?

[Eagle]

Peace;
Because you believe in every "Hadith" it means you believe in that :
PROPHETS USED TO TELL LIE :

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said:) (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added:) That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).

PROPHETS USED TO RUN NAKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE;

Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.' "

[Umar001]

Eagle, do you know arabic?

And the story of Moses is hardly what it is entitled, the title gives the impression that it was done as a hobby. Come on man.

[Eagle]

Eagle, do you know arabic?

And the story of Moses is hardly what it is entitled, the title gives the impression that it was done as a hobby. Come on man.

Peace;
If you have objection on title ,you can give your own title.But the fact is that "Prophet Moses ran naked in front of people" according to this Hadith.
If translation is wrong which I picked up from the net, please post the exact Arabic Hadith and translate it yourself.

[Umar001]

Peace;
If you have objection on title ,you can give your own title.But the fact is that "Prophet Moses ran naked in front of people" according to this Hadith.
If translation is wrong which I picked up from the net, please post the exact Arabic Hadith and translate it yourself.

Peace be upon ya too.

I don't know if it is the right translation, I have heard different views on the translation, I'll leave it to a arabic speaker, thats why I asked if you knew arabic.

As for the title, then I'd have no qualms in the hadith presented itself.

:) I'd a thought other instances of miracles harder to believe that the above mentioned.

Eesa

[Bittersteel]

If translation is wrong which I picked up from the net

and what is this source from the net?

[Nawal89]

wouldnt you run after the thing that ran away with your clothes too?

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


I've deleted some posts, and alhamdulillah many of the claims have been refuted clearly already throughout the forum.


I'll give some relevant links insha Allaah:


http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

Ahadeeth myths

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...ct-hadith.html



I'll let the thread continue insha Allaah, and if we get more people spamming the thread - mods please do delete them posts insha Allaah. :)


If anyone is sincere and really wants to clear any doubts they may have about some ahadith, then they can ask politely, and we will try our best to clarify insha Allaah.

[Eagle]

:salamext:


I've deleted some posts, and alhamdulillah many of the claims have been refuted clearly already throughout the forum.


I'll give some relevant links insha Allaah:


http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters

Ahadeeth myths

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-...ct-hadith.html



I'll let the thread continue insha Allaah, and if we get more people spamming the thread - mods please do delete them posts insha Allaah. :)


If anyone is sincere and really wants to clear any doubts they may have about some ahadith, then they can ask politely, and we will try our best to clarify insha Allaah.

Peace:
There is a lot of difference in rejecting "all" Hadiths and rejecting "non acceptable " stuff.
If you accept above quoted Hadiths,then you can see what is the picture and chracter of the Prophets portrayed in them.
Is islamic teaching about prophets consitent with them ?

[- Qatada -]

Eagle, i can assure you that we respect the Prophets of Allaah much more than any other faith does. There may be some things which you, and sometimes we as muslims don't understand or lack, yet that doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said: (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added: That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).

This was to save his and his wive's life [and this is permissible i.e. you may say something which has a double meaning in order to save your life], otherwise Nimrod [the evil tyrant] would take her (Sarah) as a concubine (slave) and kill Abraham (peace be upon him.) Since this was his custom when travellers would walk past i.e. if a man was to say that the woman with him is his wife.

Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Nowhere did it state within that hadith that Moses had a bad habit of doing evil - infact it's stated within the hadith itself that Moses WOULDN'T have a bath with the people while they would do it publically.

Then it further states in the hadith that these people would say evil about Moses, and claim that he has some disease - this is why he doesn't do it in public. Yet Allaah wanted to show these people that their false claims against Allaah's honorable Prophet is a lie, so He allowed Moses (peace be upon him)'s body to be shown - to show that he was free from the evil they said about him. It even shows that Moses was angry when the rock moved, so he harmed it.


Does this make Moses (peace be upon him) seem evil or good and modest? Without a doubt he was honorable in the sight of Allaah, a great Messenger, and he was modest. A true sign of a Prophet of Allaah.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.'

Does this hadith state that Prophet Ayyub/Job (peace be upon him) was having a bath in public? Don't you have a bath also? So what's so surprising about this? Without a doubt the amazing thing about this hadith is the fact that Prophet Ayyub/Job was rewarded greatly for his patience after the trial Allaah tested him with. As an example for the rest of mankind.




And Allaah knows best.




Peace.

[Eagle]

[QUOTE=- Qatada -;787710]

Eagle, i can assure you that we respect the Prophets of Allaah much more than any other faith does.

Yes "respect" is very much apparent in these Hadiths.

There may be some things which you, and sometimes we as muslims don't understand or lack, yet that doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Why this mystery of undrstanding.Relgions are and should as transparent as the light of sun.Because Religions are said to Divine Verdict.If numerical law is
2+2= 4.
Then why not Religions including Islam.Secondly God could not disclose through any means except to make Prophet Moses run naked in the Public? What a disgrace !!!

This was to save his and his wive's life [and this is permissible i.e. you may say something which has a double meaning in order to save your life], otherwise Nimrod [the evil tyrant] would take her (Sarah) as a concubine (slave) and kill Abraham (peace be upon him.) Since this was his custom when travellers would walk past i.e. if a man was to say that the woman with him is his wife.

You are missing ,the Hadith is talking about "Three Lies " not one.

[doorster]

wa alaikum

I made a poem about why it is so absurd for any Muslim to try to defy AHadith on any grounds

Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?

salam

I most certainly am so following Sunnah: and in my Islam, In Sunni way, I every day in every breath work towards being in adherence with that maximum quantity of AHadith and Surah verses as is possible to sustain in any moment: and in every moment in which I am not sustaining the full Sunnah I am also consciously accepting that the Angel of Death is whom I am becoming in debt to by any tiniest non-observance.

Those who use Sunnah to implicate that not every AHadith might be true since they can not adhere to every of in every moment, are engaging in shirk and are either deluded about Sunnah thereby, or are also in kafr.

The truth is just that we have not yet the ability to commence sustaining ourselves in the real world in every moment.

I repeat:

1. Do you know the difference between following every hadith and following Sunnah of RasulAllah PBUH?
2. If so explain what the difference is? and if you think their is no difference, what makes you say that?
3. Is Shariah based on following every hadith?
4. if no, then explain why not

[- Qatada -]

Yes "respect" is very much apparent in these Hadiths.

Or maybe the hadith shows the disrespect the former people had when following their Prophets?

Why this mystery of undrstanding.Relgions are and should as transparent as the light of sun.Because Religions are said to Divine Verdict.If numerical law is
2+2= 4.
Then why not Religions including Islam.

There are concepts which make sense, maybe not at a certain time in history due to ones position in history. etc. i.e. many Prophecies & discoveries have only been realized once science has advanced, yet someone from a former time wouldn't ever understand the concept since they never had that science.

So to say that something can't be explained within one period in history doesn't mean that there isn't an answer to it in the future.


Therefore 2+2= 4 and remains that way.

Secondly God could not disclose through any means except to make Prophet Moses run naked in the Public? What a disgrace !!!

So maybe you could show another way on how this 'disease' of scrotal hernia could be 'exposed' ?


If you're going to wonder why they said evil about him, or why this hadith was stated - it may be to show how rebellious many of the children of Israel really were against their Messenger.

You are missing ,the Hadith is talking about "Three Lies " not one.

So i'm losing it now? Wasn't it you who brought forward the hadith? Why didn't you then quote it fully yourself?


Anyway to clarify the other two anyway;

1) Prophet Abraham wasn't an idolator, he wasn't a polytheist, rather he worshipped Allaah our Creator and Sustainer Alone. Therefore when his family and those who disbelieved left to celebration which involved evil practises, he purposelly stated that he was ill in order to avoid going to the places of sin.

2) When he broke an idol of the polytheists, the polytheists returned and asked him who broke the rest;

He said, "Rather, this - the largest of them - did it, so ask them, if they should [be able to] speak."

So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers."

Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!"

He said, "Then do you worship instead of Allah that which does not benefit you at all or harm you?

Uff to you and to what you worship instead of Allah . Then will you not use reason?"

They said, "Burn him and support your gods - if you are to act."

Allah said, "O fire, be coolness and safety upon Abraham."

And they intended for him harm, but We made them the greatest losers.

And We delivered him and Lot to the land which We had blessed for the worlds.

[Qur'an Al-Anbiya (the Prophets) 21: 63-71]

So in reality, it wasn't a lie anyway.





Peace.

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


Bro doorster, can't we just explain to the sister using wisdom? Sis Curaezipirid agree's with the Sunnah and that's something praiseworthy. So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that. :)


Ahadith can be weak, however - the Sunnah is authentically attributed to the Messenger of Allaah, Muhammad (peace be upon him.)



Eagle, if your posts continue within this thread - then they'll have to be deleted. If you want another thread, then please start it elsewhere if you have the intention to learn.


Thankyou.




Peace.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

life is just full of fitnah...

if a man can be in the company of our prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam, accept islam and then apostasize then we'd better be veeery careful... scariest thing is, many of us may think we're muslim but audhubillah only Allah knows what condition we are in even as i type..

[Eagle]

Peace;
[QUOTE=- Qatada -;787842]

Or maybe the hadith shows the disrespect the former people had when following their Prophets?

They showed disrespect or not.Is this Hadith showing respect?

There are concepts which make sense, maybe not at a certain time in history due to ones position in history. etc. i.e. many Prophecies & discoveries have only been realized once science has advanced, yet someone from a former time wouldn't ever understand the concept since they never had that science.

So to say that something can't be explained within one period in history doesn't mean that there isn't an answer to it in the future.


Therefore 2+2= 4 and remains that way.

Science is much inferior to Divine revelation.This is a human effort to discover Laws of nature.It might be wrong at one time or right on another time.But religions are Direct Divine revelation ,how can you put mystery in them ?If some religion is a "mystery",that is not divine.

So maybe you could show another way on how this 'disease' of scrotal hernia could be 'exposed' ?

When the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was blamed to be "Majoon" then how did God clear him of this blame ?? Was it so essential to remove that blame of Scrotal Hernia to make Prophet run naked.
Actually Problem with you people is ,you are sticking to the narations without considering whether these narrations are right or wrong ,no matter the dignity of Prophets is badly comprosmised.You accept the insult of the prophet but have no courage to say that this narration might be wrong.

So i'm losing it now? Wasn't it you who brought forward the hadith? Why didn't you then quote it fully yourself?

1) Prophet Abraham wasn't an idolator, he wasn't a polytheist, rather he worshipped Allaah our Creator and Sustainer Alone. Therefore when his family and those who disbelieved left to celebration which involved evil practises, he purposelly stated that he was ill in order to avoid going to the places of sin.

Now imagine that Religion of Truth that is starting from a "Lie".Only you can have the courage to base it like this not any true muslim (sorry to say)

So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that.

Dooster's question is absolutely genuine.The difference between Sunna and Hadith has to be defiined.Being a muslim all you must know it.If you consider Hadith and sunna synonymous then same type of complications in understanding will go on occuring as in the above narrated Hadiths ,you are facing.

Eagle, if your posts continue within this thread - then they'll have to be deleted. If you want another thread, then please start it elsewhere if you have the intention to learn.

I do not think it is off topic.If it was you should have right away deleted them when I metioned two Hadiths in response to claim of accepting "every type " of Hadith no matter it is correct or wrong. You are a moderator ,you can delete,I was expecting this threat because truth is very bitter.

[Curaezipirid]

Interesting, I don't understand the whole background. I do have a question, is there a significance to writing AHadith instead of Ahadith?

I have no way of ascertaining any significance to your mind, but in my mind the letter "H" is a gateway to choice between belief in divinity of Islam and the fall; so I capitalise it for emphasis.

Could you decipher for me what the contextual difference is when in translation from Arabic?

I had been informed that there is a contextual sectarian distinction between typing Hadith, and Ahadith, but I side with the "A" in wanting for every AHadith to be read within the full original text, that is as full to the original context as we have been enabled to receive of, and I also like a capital "H". I am sure I saw it with these capitals in another context, but perhaps as A-Hadith rather.



The fact that I have occassionally written wasalam with more capitals in the first place: WASalam, is only coincidental, and is more like to me saying:

EMPHATICALLY AND salam,

which is an odd thing because in Aboriginal culture the word of "and" has a grammatical function unlike in any other language; that makes for enormously long sentences, sort of how I am usually writing.

[Curaezipirid]

Peace;
Because you believe in every "Hadith" it means you believe in that :
PROPHETS USED TO TELL LIE :

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said:) (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added:) That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs).

Well it is not saying in this small exert, exactly what all three lies are, is it? But this one here described is the lie that a gift was being given.

PROPHETS USED TO RUN NAKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE;

Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Moses would not let the infidels entertain any ideas about trying to make themselves into his image. So they made up a false rumour about him, but he was being devious in letting their false rumour being about his scrotum, as though he a weak man. It is a convenient false rumour for any Prophet to carry, since most of the Prophets have carried so very much of other persons wrongs in their mind at any one time, that the shaytan can not believe in the real correct mindedness of a Prophet, whom is always self correcting. However many of the Prophets also might have had a period of a very relaxed scrotum, as though it is weak, but which then returns to a stronger stability than previous. This is since that process causes a certain pysiological change in the body, which is enabling of the mind being very adapted to witness, at the same time as being fully attuned in Allah. The state of the biology in which prayer is made fully impossible, if it can be recovered from, induces a state of hightened capacity in prayer.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.' "

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Job is asking politely of Allah to enforce that he has the excess in blessings, which he needs not, stripped from him, since he says "I can not", when he knows that making Zakat is needed of him.

Salam

[Curaezipirid]

Does this hadith state that Prophet Ayyub/Job (peace be upon him) was having a bath in public? Don't you have a bath also? So what's so surprising about this? Without a doubt the amazing thing about this hadith is the fact that Prophet Ayyub/Job was rewarded greatly for his patience after the trial Allaah tested him with. As an example for the rest of mankind.

And Allaah knows best.

Peace.

In the chapter of Job in the Old Testament, it begins with Iblis in the form of satan, communicating directly in Allah: Iblis expresses despair for man such as Job, whom have had every blessing bestowed upon them, and have upheld righteous lives, but whom can not comphrend their own responsibility in Allah. It is that Iblis took the interior form of such persons when addressed as though himself shaytan, since he had been among such persons. And the whole document is an emphatic statment of Job's inability to cognise, or mentally process any humanity in Allah.

I believe very firmly myself in Allah that such persons are who do the wrong that is, and always attempt to portray themselves as the best among the rest of us; their nature as shaytan is no other, yet we endanger our own self to them if we attempt to fault them. Allah sends Iblis back to investigate the situation of persons like Job, and so is his descent as satan thus fated in his predicament in which the shaytan were not then yet distinguished apart from other people.

Allah bestows upon Job a blessing, as Job is able to accept and still sustain a Human face to his belief; but in fact that bestowment is Allah's punishment of the shaytan. They are whose will it is in Allah not to enter Jannah in Human form; and the kafr they do can always best be transposed into an invertibrate creature.

Job said "I cannot" because he is entirely unable to resist any temptations.
Persons whom can comprehend that Job is, are obliged to put an end to the situation in which others speculate overly upon how far into sin he might be pushed, while then persons like him speculate upon how far other persons might fail to realise that he can not organise his mind into a life sustaining mental process. And so these things went on until a few began to realise the problem, of whom Isa is first, followed by Iblis and Mohammed.

But this is irrelevant to my refutation of those who proclaim that not every AHadith is necessary.
Salam

[Curaezipirid]

If numerical law is 2+2= 4.

Strange that your sentence begins with an "if".

Also it is good to additionally remember, if you can, that two yellow things, plus two green things, never equal four purple things.

WASalam

[Curaezipirid]

Salam everyone,

What is the general likelihood of obtaining a consensus about whether Eagle should be just allowed to accumulate purple fours from adding up our green and yellow ills, as though we direct that against Eagle directly?

My real wonderment at this point, is how effectively that Angel named Pestilance, is adept at turning a trick: made out of a lie about Abraham being a liar as though excusing other sets of three lies; a lie about Moses running around naked to escape public bathing with other naked persons; and a lie about Job's receipt of golden locusts when naked; into a bird.

What sort of bird is it, can Golden Eagles eat locusts, or is it one of those small eagles who eat locusts more regularly and the locusts are the real gold after all?

[Curaezipirid]

:salamext:


Bro doorster, can't we just explain to the sister using wisdom? Sis Curaezipirid agree's with the Sunnah and that's something praiseworthy. So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that. :)

Peace.

Now I am wondering here as to this strange syntax in your sentence Qatada?

"So instead of always arguning amonst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith."

It could not possibly mean as it reads, that you are giving a directive to shirk, so would you mind correcting it for me?

I realise that placement of the sentence: "We clarify the correct position, and that is that."; as it is, immediately after the sentence before it, is a sort of qualifying statement. So the earlier sentence is then tempered by the later. However I nearly had read the whole as though an expression of that sentiment usually reserved by Aboriginal australia as a "honey ant dream".

Best it not become confused and salam

[Curaezipirid]

Peace:
There is a lot of difference in rejecting "all" Hadiths and rejecting "non acceptable " stuff.
If you accept above quoted Hadiths,then you can see what is the picture and chracter of the Prophets portrayed in them.
Is islamic teaching about prophets consitent with them ?

Are you implying that we all believe that every Prophet was in Allah's absolute perfection in every moment of breathing? Surely Isa is the only among with that status!

I will just not accept that believe in every AHadith is the same as belief that every Prophet had not ever even once been in any mind less than total perfection!

Salam

[Curaezipirid]

Salam anybody still with this thread:

I believe that the problem is the fact that many persons are looking for a way to use AHadith to dis-prove their need to sustain belief in Islam; rather than using AHadith to prove immediate need to believe in Allah and the Prophets, and especially in Qur'an.

Alaykumuasalam