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arehat
07-23-2007, 08:44 PM
HARRY POTTER CRAZE

Just as a small sample, imagine a ten-year- old reading about:

1) The animal sacrifice of a cat.

2) Non-magicians like you and I (Muggles) are portrayed as dull, boring, cruel or useless.

3) Power is the ultimate moral choice, irrespective of goodorevil.

4) Blood sacrifices.

5) Cutting off the hand of a living person for a ritual.

6) Boiling what seems to be a baby or fetus alive in a cauldron.

7) Possible demon possession.

8) Werewolves & vampires.

9) Bringing an evil wizard back from the dead through the shedding of blood.

10) Astral project ortravel.

11) Casting spells and levitation .

12) Being able to shape-shift into an animal.

13) Crystal gazing or divination.

14) A hero (Harry) who tells lies, steals, breaks the rules, and cheats by copying another student's homework, (cheating is OK in wizard ethics).

15) Approval of astrology.

16) Being taught that people can exist without their souls.

17)Communion with the dead, dead souls living within us.

18) Harry takes mood-altering drugs (which are REAL herbs that are used by witches and shamans )

19) Use of the "Hand of Glory," a grisly occult artifact that is the severed. The hand is placed in a house to make everyone in the house fall into a spell.

20) Use of magic charms.

21) Belief that death is just the "next great adventure"

These are dangerous, false ideas, especially for a younger person. Little attempt is being made to keep these books from the hands of children even younger than ten! These are some of the subtle methods used by the protagonists of the New-World Order to mould and shape the minds of the future leaders when their minds are most impressionable. What is even more shocking is the way mainstream-media promotes such vile publications.
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fatima_01
07-23-2007, 08:56 PM
but do u really think tht people pay attention to what the actual moral or meaning of the story is ???
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guyabano
07-23-2007, 09:07 PM
Don't like, don't watch !

My kids adored it, my wife and myself also ! I can't await to get the new movie already on DVD ! :D
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Trumble
07-23-2007, 09:09 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by arehat
These are some of the subtle methods used by the protagonists of the New-World Order to mould and shape the minds of the future leaders when their minds are most impressionable.
LOLOLOLOL !! :D :D :D

The books are not 'vile', they are superb fantasy entertainment for all ages; millions upon millions have read them (and made their author a fortune in doing so) simply because they are FUN. Children have little trouble telling fantasy from reality and spotting 'false' ideas.. many of the traditional fairy tales (the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Anserson, say) are just as 'bad', if not worse. I think it's great that this series has got so many kids to READ rather than play video games or stare at the TV. It's a habit that will stick with them for a lifetime.
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07-23-2007, 09:27 PM
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Malaikah
07-23-2007, 09:46 PM
:sl:

Half the things listed in the first post aren't even true.
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DAWUD_adnan
07-23-2007, 09:50 PM
it just harry potter, a story about a boy nothing worse than aladdin or lion king lol ,
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doorster
07-23-2007, 09:53 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by DAWUD_adnan
it just harry potter, a story about a boy nothing worse than aladdin or lion king lol ,
:sl:

"Another important aspect is that when we come on the forum, it is hoped we draw away from the distractions of the dunyaa and participate in an environment with an Islamic focus, thus distinguishing ourselves from other forums of a worldly genre. That's not to say we cannot ever discuss things that are not directly related to Islam, but simply that we have to exert some control over our discussions and how we spend time on here.

We've had a number of threads on Harry Potter in the past and these were often removed or closed, so it's better to avoid making more threads and what's more - you're bound to get someone spoiling the plot anyway!"
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nevesirth
07-23-2007, 10:11 PM
there is no denying tht the book does programme the minds of young ones either conciously or unconciously. it imprints some hidden messages in their minds. a child growing up reading these books will come to accept the practices displayed in the book as normal and even become interested in witchcraft and the occult due to facination with harry porter. the character in the book 'harry' will be seen as a role model by these naive kids. and as a result of reading such books, people not just children can be lured into practicing withcraft by real wiccan sects with similarities with the witches in harry porter.

i personaly believe tht in the future, witchcraft will be a norm of society due to influences of books like these!!!!!!!!!!
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Malaikah
07-24-2007, 08:47 AM
:sl:

nevesirth, I must say that is an insult to the children that you would underestimate their intelligence so much.
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Intisar
07-24-2007, 09:13 AM
:sl:

I don't read the books but I've made it a tradition to go to the theatres and watch the movie everytime it comes out (I've been doing this since '01) and it has a really good message for kids. I agree with sister Malaikh's comment though, it is an insult to children (especially my demographic) to underestimate their intelligence.
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guyabano
07-24-2007, 12:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
:sl:

nevesirth, I must say that is an insult to the children that you would underestimate their intelligence so much.
Totally agree ! My eldest son read his Harry Potter book, then go back to normal live. I never saw him trying to ride a broom ! :D
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sevgi
07-24-2007, 12:29 PM
just wana say that the mods are gna close this thread, just as they close every harry potter thread..lately, theyve been closing like two a day...

just dont get too deep into it...

peace.
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nocturne
07-24-2007, 01:25 PM
Our real adventure only begins after death, doesnt it?:^o)
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AmarFaisal
07-24-2007, 01:59 PM
I would just say that there is a lot more in the media today to lead our children to evil other than Harry Potter.

It is ur upbringing as a parent, and ur responsibility, to teach ur child to discriminate b/w good and bad.

For instance , once I drew the star of david, unknowingly, in front of a lebanese lady (who was christian) and she frieked out. She said, she didn't want to see or let her child see anything that is related to Israel.

My question is, what approach is better:

To keep ur child away from all evils till u die(and he/she getting exposed to it after u or being curious abt things u always hid from him)

or

To educate ur child abt good n bad.
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doorster
07-24-2007, 02:16 PM
I wonder why brother Muhammad is not stopping all this "Islamic" opinion from wannabe western and others?
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doorster
07-24-2007, 02:23 PM
^^ had that been the case you would still be a mod!
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sevgi
07-24-2007, 02:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
^^ had that been the case you would still be a mod!
OUCH...add a smiley bro...
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*~Sofia~*
07-24-2007, 02:33 PM
salams

i read harry potter, i think the author has an incredible imagination..the things she can cum up wid! lol

the books are jus a fun read..and i wouldn't exactly try and practice anything that is in the books.

:w:
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AmarFaisal
07-24-2007, 02:37 PM
I guess the book can be given a rating, so as to protect it from being read by small minds of ages 10 or younger. 12 would be a good rating
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aamirsaab
07-24-2007, 02:51 PM
:sl:
If you want to badmouth a mod, say it to their face. That way we know whose butt is getting banned.

As for HP; guys and gals, it is just a book that has sold well. I've seen most of the movies and it is nothing more than FANTASY.

Don't have a heart-attack over it.
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F@tim@
07-24-2007, 02:59 PM
Harry Potter books are brilliant! End of!:D
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Dynasty
07-24-2007, 05:45 PM
I love harry potter i wanna see the new movie that just came out.
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07-24-2007, 07:12 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by *~Sofia~*
salams

i read harry potter, i think the author has an incredible imagination..the things she can cum up wid! lol

the books are jus a fun read..and i wouldn't exactly try and practice anything that is in the books.
:w:
i heard that two kids tried to take their trolley through the 'barrier' at a train station and obviously it didn't end very nicely so the book was banned for under 18s in America
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 07:28 PM
those denying tht there is a bad side to this book just dont want to acccept reality because they are fans of the harry porter stuff. its a known fact tht children are likely to practice wht they see in films or read in books,especially those things they see as cool.

take for example the gangster rap culture of the 90's, i know many kids who wanted to act like their role models like tupac and all. they believed everything these rappers said in their songs and wanted to be as tough and gangster as them. the same goes for harry porter, call it fantasy or whtever but u'll be naive if u believed witchcraft doesnt exist in the present day world. im not saying all children will practice wht they seeor read but still there are those who will be facinated with the occult as a result of being fans of harry, these are the ones who will grab any opportunity to become a practicing witch or wizard. there are cults or sects out there which induldge in witchcraft if u dont know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Intisar
07-24-2007, 07:36 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Rose_Ice
i heard that two kids tried to take their trolley through the 'barrier' at a train station and obviously it didn't end very nicely so the book was banned for under 18s in America
LOL Really sis? That's hilarious. They're probably trying to re-enact that scene in which they push a shopping cart into the wall, platform 9 and 3/4's was it? I so wish I could have seen that, I would probably have been laughing my guts out.

People have to give more credit to kids though. We can use the influence excuse for every situation. Evidently children will follow what they see on the movie screens and believe that it is real and applicable to real life but it's the job of parents teach their children about the difference between reality and fiction.
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 07:38 PM
theres really no need arguing this topic because people will believe whtever they choose to.

harry porter wether u like it or not has a way of affecting the lives of people, it sends subliminal messages imprinted in the minds of pple, theyll carry some of these through out their lives.

compare the kids of the superman and spiderman ages with those of their parents, theres alot of difference in their behavioral patterns. period!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wilberhum
07-24-2007, 07:43 PM
aamirsaab summed up the best.
it is nothing more than FANTASY.
I loved Superman, but I never jumped off a building with a cape.
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 07:45 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
:sl:

nevesirth, I must say that is an insult to the children that you would underestimate their intelligence so much.
when ur kids start practicing withcraft, then youll know how intelligent they are. y not let ur kids watch 'porn' because they are so intelligent tht they wont practice wht they see!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 07:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
aamirsaab summed up the best.

I loved Superman, but I never jumped off a building with a cape.
maybe u never jumped of a building with a cape, but some other kids did worse than tht. growing up, i knew of kids who broke their legs because they wanted to fly like superman by jumping from the first floor of their house to a concrete floor. and this is a true story not fantasy, it did happen!!!!!!!!!
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wilberhum
07-24-2007, 07:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nevesirth
maybe u never jumped of a building with a cape, but some other kids did worse than tht. growing up, i knew of kids who broke their legs because they wanted to fly like superman by jumping from the first floor of their house to a concrete floor. and this is a true story not fantasy, it did happen!!!!!!!!!
You can't protect people from there own stupidity.

Just look at me. :D
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Intisar
07-24-2007, 07:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by nevesirth
when ur kids start practicing withcraft, then youll know how intelligent they are. y not let ur kids watch 'porn' because they are so intelligent tht they wont practice wht they see!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looooooooooooooooool, people have their own minds you can't help it, but I doubt they would go to the extent of practising what they see.
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 07:58 PM
where do u tink many peeople learnt about sex or how to fire an automatic weapon? they learnt these and many more from films books and computer games, so books or films with negative message are not good. whts the aim of harry porter, its glorifying wtchcraft, even if it tells us tht there are bad witches and good ones, the fact is tht witchcraft is witchcraft, black magic and white magic are both magic!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-24-2007, 08:01 PM
:salamext:

Harry Potter is a wicked series of books :D
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 08:17 PM
Harry Potter: 'Making Evil Look Innocent'




Issue Date: November/December 2001

What are kids saying about Harry Potter? Here are some samples:

"I want to go to wizard school and learn magic. I'd like to learn to use a wand to cast spells." Dylan, age 10.
"If I could go to wizard school, I might be able to do spells and potions and fly a broomstick." Mara, age 12.

"It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers." Jeffrey, age 11.

"I'd like to go to wizard school and learn magic and put spells on people. I'd make up an ugly spell and then it's pay-back time." Catherine, age 9.

"I feel like I'm inside Harry's world. If I went to wizard school I'd study everything: spells, counterspells, and defense against the dark arts." Carolyn, age 10.

"I liked it when the bad guys killed the unicorn and Voldemort drank its blood." Julie, age 13.

"The books are very clever. I couldn't put them down. When I was scared I made myself believe that it was supposed to be funny so I wasn't so scared." Nuray age 11.


These are the comments of young readers of the Harry Potter wizard books quoted on a new video by Jeremiah Films. On the video, called Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged, Making Evil Look Innocent, author Robert S. McGee explains: "Children as young as kindergarten are being introduced to human sacrifice, the sucking of blood from dead animals, and possession by spirit beings."

Courts have banned the teaching of Christianity in public schools but Wicca, which is recognized by the U.S. courts as a religion and given tax-exempt status by the IRS, is taught freely. As well, Harry Potter has become the method of introduction of sorcery to the very young.

Harry Potter materials have become much more than a hand full of children's fantasy books. Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, and Mattel have used the Potter materials to launch games, puzzles, toys, backpacks, and every possible merchandizing product.

Scholastic, Inc., a major supplier of public school teaching aids has added the Potter literature to its line of curriculum materials. When the name "Harry Potter" is keyed into the Scholastic.com web site search engine, it returns 268 matches. "Jesus" returned only 23.

And now, a major movie is about to break on the scene called "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." Millions of dollars are being spent on pre-release hype.

Once introduced to the world of wizards, spells, and dark arts, readers of Harry Potter can advance their knowledge and skills in witchcraft and paganism by visiting the hundreds of web sites available on the internet.

Or, they can purchase more books on the subject from the well stocked occult sections in local book super stores. Or, they can find over a thousand volumes on witchcraft available at Amazon.com.

Harry Potter books have taken the world of children's fantasy literature by storm. Over 200 million have been sold in 40 languages. One study shows that over half of the children in the western world have read at least one of the Potter books. Many reported rereading each book several times.

But is it just fantasy literature like Snow White and Cinderella? In the Harry Potter video, cult expert Caryl Matrisciana points out that in the older stories, evil never prevails.

There are no absolutes in his world. What is right depends on the situation.

Witchcraft now has a complete package. Starting in kindergarten with Harry Potter and TV witch shows, children are led on to the horror movies and hundreds of Wicca and pagan web sites. When they thirst for more power, high school and college Wicca covens are available. In the adult world, corporations are hiring New Age practitioners to provide seminars in sensitivity training, stress relief, and self improvement for employees.

Former Satanist William Schnoebelen points out in his book, Wicca, Satan's Little White Lie, that, "I finally learned in the most graphic fashion imaginable that the difference between witchcraft or Wicca and Satanism is actually non-existent."

Before he was saved he found himself cruising the streets looking for a lone female to assault, not for sex, but to drink her blood.1

The bottom line is a hunger for power. Harry Potter and the rest of witchcraft promises that power. But in the end they discover that Satan is really in charge of the power and only uses it like cheese in a mouse trap.

Harry Potter provides a basic initiation into witchcraft for a whole new generation. Imagine what the world will be like when they grow up.

1. See also Schnoebelen, Lucifer Dethroned, chapter 18.



http://www.----------/bc/2001/harrypotter.asp
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 08:22 PM
harry Potter Promotes Satanism!!!!!!!!!!!!

im sure most of u people dont know a thing about witchcraft, satanism or wwiccan religion, thts why u think harry potter is just fiction or fantasy, like witchcraft is not real, be wise and realise tht these books are promating satanism, those who have been to the dark side know the tricks used to get more followers. harry potter is just a bait to lure naive unsuspecting souls to the devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

children are not born with a manual on wht is good and wht is evil, so when u fill their minds with such books, it only programmes their minds and make them believe witchcraft is a normal and good practice!!!!!!!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Muj4h1d4
:salamext:

Harry Potter is a wicked series of books :D
harry potter is a tool being used by the followers of wicca and satanism to get new converts. we are going to see a generation of muslims and christians who will mix their religion with wicca either conciously or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

has any of u ever read the satanic bible by aton szandor lavey? or the alexandra book of magic? there are alot of books and websites out there which help people practice the kind of witchcraft potrayed in harry potter. ull never know till u are quite conversant with these sects!!!!!!!!! salam
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wilberhum
07-24-2007, 08:45 PM
:hmm: "Aton Lavey meets Harry Potter" should be a best seller.
:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
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nevesirth
07-24-2007, 08:52 PM
the way pple will say the devil or god dont exist is the same way theyll say witchcraft is just a figment of the imagination.the wisest act by the devil is making humans believe he doesnt exist. same way hes making humans feel harry potter is just a harmless fantasy book!!!!!!!!!!!
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wilberhum
07-24-2007, 09:09 PM
witchcraft exists. The only question is seeking power in nature any more evil that seeking power through god.

If you seek power to do good, I don't see how it is any more wrong than one religion over another.

Of cource seeking power to do bad is always wrong.

So which is worse asking nature to help you heal someone or asking god to help you kill someone?
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- Qatada -
07-24-2007, 09:16 PM
:salamext:


IslamOnline.net - Magic & Jinn
http://www.islamonline.net/English/...inn/Index.shtml

Belief in the Jinn, witchcraft and the evil eye
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?cref=228&ln=eng
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- Qatada -
07-24-2007, 09:17 PM
:salamext:


I don't think there's such a thing as 'white magic' :) But the above links clarify alot alhamdulillah.
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wilberhum
07-24-2007, 09:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada -
:salamext:


I don't think there's such a thing as 'white magic' :) But the above links clarify alot alhamdulillah.
There is. :thumbs_up Black magic is for bad, White is for good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_magic
White Magic , healing or "good" paranormal magic
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Haidar_Abbas
07-25-2007, 05:05 PM
:sl: harry potter is total baatil all the books should be burned :Evil: :sl:
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wilberhum
07-25-2007, 05:31 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Haidar_Abbas
:sl: harry potter is total baatil all the books should be burned :Evil: :sl:
Ya, to **** with freedom of speach too! :?

Peter Pan creates pirates. :hmm:
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Haidar_Abbas
07-25-2007, 05:37 PM
:sl: AL Mout'ul Demokrasy:beard: :sl:
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UmmSqueakster
07-25-2007, 06:15 PM
Ah yes, I'm Harry Potter crazy. :playing:

Must say, I grew up reading fantasy and science fiction, and the only negative result is that I'm a geek :confused:
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Woodrow
07-25-2007, 06:37 PM
Harry Potter?

I can not understand what this is doing in the "Education Issues" section.

:threadclo
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