become muslim, pay tax, or die

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first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.

first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?

why did the early muslims invade persia?

if we hate the kufar for misusing their power and forcing people to play by their economic book or being invaded. then how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?

imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today, 'either give us what we want or die' mentality?


thank you
 
Well.... in our case (Malaysia), Islam was spread by traders... it's the Christians (Portuguese) that spread their religion by swords.
 
ok i understand that, but what will happen with a muslim super power?

wont they act just like how all super powers act?

why did the early muslims invade persia?
 
Salaam/peace;

mnbvcxz said:
first of all, im a muslim
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but u forgot to mention it in ur profile



so dont think im here just to anagonise.
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what's the meaning ??




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i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.


will u pl. think , even after 9/11 ( we don't know who did it really ; but Muslims are to blame for it ) , why so many Americans embraced Islam ?

Why in the west , thousands & thousands western women are rejecting the so-called freedom & accepting a religion that has been labelled as anti-woman ?



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first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?


i guess , there is one more option ....leave the place :)


LOL , if u read other holy books , u will find to destroy a city totally if citizens are idol worshippers. In Islam , non-Muslims are allowed to follow their own religion.



pay tax ??? What's wrong with that ? Under Islamic law , Muslims are paying zakat ....so why not non-Muslims should pay ?


under Islamic rules , non-Muslims are called Dhimmi/ Jhimmi ...do u know the meaning ? Do u know what kind of facilities they are supposed to enjoy ?


why did the early muslims invade persia
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ehhh , don't remember now...have to do a google search . They must had a genuine reason :)
If not , then bash Muslim ....don't put blame on Islam for wrong doing of some bad Muslims.


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how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?

already answered :)


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imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today, 'either give us what we want or die' mentality?


LOL Muslims must escort enemies if they want to hear the words of God. Show me this kind of command from other major holy books.

to catch one Laden , Americans are killing millions innocent people....this is not allowed in Islam.



Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter


For, [when] God judges, there is no power that could repel His judgment: and swift in reckoning is He!

-Quran (13:41)
 
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ok, let me ask you this. if someone comes to your door and says, either you join my gang, pay me protection money, or die. do you think that is fair?

listen i know what the west r doing today is bad in invading countries if they dont play by their economic rules.
but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?

dont just blame the west, we know what is happening is bad, but give me a alternative which is better.

i know how islam treats people who want to know about islam
what about those that dont, what about those that dont want to be muslims and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed?
 
Salaam/peace;


mnbvcxz said:
....but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?
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because all other religions are not giving u much options ...either convert or die . So ,which one is better ? To pay when all other including Muslims are paying & be the Dhimmi ?

become ' protected ' citizens under a ruler mean ....if any enemies attack ur country ..u won't have to fight , Muslims will do it for u :)

u will enjoy religious freedom , ur prayer house won't be detroyed.


if a non-Muslim is not doing anything against God , Islam , humanity----- s/he must not be attacked.


If s/he disobeys God , create unrest in the earth , then Islam teaches us to fight against the evil.


Prophet Muhammed (p) was tortured & was forced to leave his birthplace because he asked people not to assiociate partner with God. After long 13 years , he got permission from God to fight back.
Fire worshippers , idol worshipper were given various choices ----as u already mentioned & i added.

Idol worshippers who tortured Muslims , killed them for not bowing down to idols ......u are so sympathetic to them .....why ????




The question was to establish the Truth & peace , to stop the unrest , do justice. A fight between evil & good.

I m not creating any unrest in the earth ...so why should one come to my res ? :offended:
 
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Salaam/peace;

mnbvcxz said:
what about those that dont want to be muslims
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there is no compulsion in Islam ...so , no one should be forced to become Islam.




[mad]and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed[/mad]


i guess , they will be given options ....pay tax , leave the place or fight ....choice is yours .



ok time to go , InshaAllah see u later


Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter


God invites [man] unto the abode of peace, and guides him that wills onto a straight way.

-Quran (10:25)
 
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north_malaysian said:
Well.... in our case (Malaysia), Islam was spread by traders... it's the Christians (Portuguese) that spread their religion by swords.
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It was the victories of Arab armies that brought Islam into the Middle East and North Africa, the heart of the Muslim world. Turkish armies brought islam to Balkans.
 
 
Salaam/peace;


Aaron85 said:
It was the victories of Arab armies that brought Islam into the Middle East and North Africa, the heart of the Muslim world. Turkish armies brought islam to Balkans.
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what about Indonesia ??? Who invaded there ?


Can u explain how & why Islam is spreading now in the west & elsewhere ? Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
 
Muslim Woman said:
Salaam/peace;





what about Indonesia ??? Who invaded there ?


Can u explain how & why Islam is spreading now in the west & elsewhere ? Can u tell me why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world ? :)
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I dont say that islam was spread everywhere by armies. I didnt say that. I just said that in North Africa, Middle East, Balkans, India, Pakistan islam was brought by armies. In Indonesia and other south eastern countries islam was spread by missionaries and traders. In West nowadays islam is spreading peacefully, simply because of immigrants mostly, and some people converting to this faith.
 
mnbvcxz said:
ok, let me ask you this. if someone comes to your door and says, either you join my gang, pay me protection money, or die. do you think that is fair?

listen i know what the west r doing today is bad in invading countries if they dont play by their economic rules.
but... my arguement is with a rule such as become muslim, pay tribute money or die, how is islam any better?

dont just blame the west, we know what is happening is bad, but give me a alternative which is better.

i know how islam treats people who want to know about islam
what about those that dont, what about those that dont want to be muslims and dont want to pay tribute, will they be killed?
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1) you don't have to 'die', you can leave - just like you have to follow laws in any country
2) chances are it's less than what muslims MUST pay
3) read some books on this topic :D
 
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1) you don't have to 'die', you can leave - just like you have to follow laws in any country
2) chances are it's less than what muslims MUST pay
3) read some books on this topic :D
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what do you mean leave? leave your house? leave your home?

what if you dont want to be muslim,
you dont want to pay tribute,
you dont want to fight

you just want to live your life in peace along side muslims. and you dont want to know about anything to do with islam and u dont want muslims preaching to your children.

what will happen to you?
 
mnbvcxz said:
first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
i have been thinking about the idea of islamic domination in the world.

first, is it true, that islam says, become muslim, pay taxes or die?

why did the early muslims invade persia?

if we hate the kufar for misusing their power and forcing people to play by their economic book or being invaded. then how is the islamic conpect any better, if non-muslims have to pay tax or tribute?

imagine if there was a muslim world power, would they not do things just like how the west are doing today, 'either give us what we want or die' mentality?


thank you
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have you tried tax evasion/avoidance in non-Muslim countries like UK and USA? ask [SIZE=-1]Asil Nadir, a Turkish Cypriot, what Britain did to him?

in Uk at one time some of us had to pay almost 80%+ of income in taxes

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first of all, im a muslim so dont think im here just to anagonise.
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Yeah Right! if you say so!

rest of post is not worth bothering with! try going to a school where they teach history.
 
Salaam/peace;

Aaron85 said:
Because muslims from many reasons have so many kids. :)
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Lol , I asked why Islam is the fastest growing religion…..:D




to know about that , u may visit these links . Despite the hostile media propaganda , people are embracing Islam. Even anti-Muslim media admitted that .




Fast-growing Islam winning converts in Western world



http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam


Islam the Fastest Growing Religion


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Islam 'will be dominant UK religion'


fastest growing faith in Australia



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Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again - NY Times

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Islam Luring More Latinos - Washington Post



Islam to become 2nd largest faith practised in US - Times Of India



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Islam is fastest-growing religion in U.S - The Sacramento Bee



http://www.islamawareness.net/Fastest
 
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War Ethics in Islam​



Whom to Fight:

Fighting should be directed only against fighting troops, and not to non- fighting personnel, and this is in compliance with the Qur’anic verse that reads:

“ Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.”

 (Al-Baqarah: 190)



Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion.


The freedom of the liberated people to decide their religion has already been mentioned, and it was to ensure this freedom that Muslims fought.


It is interesting to mention that when Muslims fought the Romans in Egypt, the Egyptian Copts sided with and helped Muslims against the Romans who were Christians like them.



This was because Christian Egypt was suffering religious oppression by the Christian Romans to compel them to adopt their religious beliefs.



http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545840
 
Muslim Woman said:
Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion.
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That depends on a person's point of view.

George Bush said: "This is a war against a despot. Its a war of liberation."

Others have a different point of view.

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