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AB517
08-23-2007, 01:21 AM
I heard that mohammed did not write the Koran and that is was written after him. Is that true?

When was it written and who wrote it down?

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Yanal
08-23-2007, 01:51 AM
Well Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) only recited the things he heard from Angel Gabriel and then told the people and some of the people narrated it and some wrote it asking things about the quran that is what i think i hope it is correct and hope it answers your question i do not know when it was written proberly it was written whwen Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was alive and then got passed on generations to generations:)
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zarhad
08-23-2007, 04:12 AM
The Qur'an is the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind, the text in Arabic is the literal word of Allah revealed to Muhammad over a period of twenty-three years, the Qur'an as God's final revelation to humanity.

The Qur'anic verses were originally memorized by Muhammad's (pbuh) companions as Muhammad (pbuh) recited them, with some being written down by one or more companions.

The Qur'an is exactly the same today as when it was revealed to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh). The simple reason for this is because of the thousands of Muslims who have memorized the entire Qu'ran word for word, and thus, if someone was to attempt to change it, and claim that the edited version was correct, it could easily be proven wrong by these men and women.
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Michael
08-23-2007, 09:11 AM
I'm not a Muslim, so you can count on an objective viewpoint.

The Qur'an is not of human origin. It contains scientific facts that were unknown at the time and impossible to discover without modern scientific equipment. For example, the Qur'an mentions that the mountains are like pegs in the ground. Most of a peg is in the ground. Scientists have discovered that the mountains have deep roots in the ground, several times larger than their height above the ground. The Qur'an describes the earth as being 'egg-shaped'. Modern scientists have discovered that the diameter of the earth around the equator is larger than the diameter of the earth from the north pole to the south pole. The earth is slightly squashed from the top - it is slightly oval, or 'egg-shaped'. There are many other scientific facts in the Qur'an that are only just being discovered.

An unlearned, illiterate man could not have known any of this. Therefore, it's necessary that the Qur'an had a supernatural origin.
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- Qatada -
08-23-2007, 04:47 PM
You may find this of some benefit God willing :) ;


The companions of Allah's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) writ the Qur'an within his lifetime. He would tell them what to write, and they would write it. Other companions who were able to read/write also were with the one who writ, so that if any mistakes were made - they could correct him. Then they would recite what was written to ensure that it was written correctly without error.


The Qur’an is a book of guidance and direction for the whole of mankind. It is the Words of Allah, which were conveyed in Arabic to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him.) The Qur’an, sometimes spelt Koran was relayed to the Prophet’s companions, which they memorised verbatim. It was completely written down in the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him.) So unlike other scriptures, the Qur’an was always known to be God’s Word (it wasn’t something decreed by a religious council many years after being written) and, due to widespread memorisation, it was perfectly preserved. The Qur’an is a universal scripture, and it is addressed to all of mankind, and not to a particular tribe or “chosen people”. The message it brings is the same message of all the prophets – submit to Almighty God and worship Him Alone.


As regard your question, we’d like to cite for you the following:

“The Holy Qur'an was presented to the people of Arabia by the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. It was presented in parts over a period of 23 years of his prophetic life. The book presents itself as the word of Allah and the Holy Prophet also presented it as such.

The Muslims believe that the Holy Qur'an, being the revealed word of Allah, is the cornerstone of their faith. They get their philosophy, beliefs and laws from this book it is the basic source of the Islamic faith. It is the Word of Allah revealed to His Messenger, Muhammad, peace be upon him, who read it out before the world loud and clear. Not only did he recite it to the people of Arabia, he also made elaborate arrangements to ensure that its contents be preserved and his Companions should learn it by heart and should also write it down. The Holy Prophet's stress on the supremacy of the Book of Allah, over all other sources of knowledge, was unequivocal and categorical.

The Holy Qur'an has reached us through Tawatur:

The Holy Qur'an has reached us through the process of Tawatur (historical continuity and perpetuation achieved through transfer from generation-to-generation) When we say that the Qur'an has reached us through Tawatur, we imply that so many people in every generation conveyed it to the next and so on that there can be no doubt about its authenticity. It was not transmitted by a few persons in one generation to a few persons in the next. It was handed over by the entire generation to the next generation. The Generation of the Companions witnessed the revelation and compilation of the Holy Qur'an during the life of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and then handed it over to the next generation and so on.

Its certainty has far exceeded the need for any debate. In the presence of established history, we would not accept any individual reports and rumors to the contrary. For instances a report in one of the history books that claims that Akbar the Great never ruled in India, would not be considered by us. The fact that Akbar the Great ruled over India for half a century is so established, that any odd report to the contrary would be simply ignored. So is the case of the Holy Qur'an. Since it has achieved the status of Tawatur, no odd report would affect its credibility.

When generations and generations of people without interruption hold the Qur'an as the one and only version of the divine guidance received from the Holy Prophet, such reports would not infringe upon its authenticity. The evidence for the Qur'an is so overwhelming, involving millions of people, that it would simply override any odd reports that may be found anywhere.”

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/0005.htm

In the light of the above, dear brother, it’s clear that all what non-Muslims say or fabricate against the Glorious Qur’an is totally groundless, for the authenticity of the Qur’an is not only upheld by Muslims but confirmed by non-Muslims as well, as will be clarified in the following:

“Attesting to the Qur'an’s authenticity, in his best-seller book The Bible, The Qur’an and Science the French researcher, historian, scientist Dr. Maurice Bucaille writes:

"Thanks to its undisputed authenticity, the text of the Qur’an holds a UNIQUE Place among the books of Revelation, shared neither by the Old nor the New Testament. In the first two sections of this work (meaning his book), a review was made of the alterations undergone by the Old Testament and the Gospels before they were handed down to us in the form we know today. The same is not true for the Qur’an for the simple reason it was written down at the time of the Prophet; we shall see how it came to be written, i.e. the process involved . . .. As the Revelation progressed, the Prophet and the believers following him recited the text by heart, and it was written down by the scribes in his following. It therefore starts off with two elements of authenticity that the Gospels do not possess."

Professor Hitte also writes: "Biblical text has been subjected to editorial and amendatory treatment, but not the Qur’anic ... In its phonetic and graphic reproduction, as well as in its linguistic form, the Qur’anic text is identical with its celestial original. "

The Qur’an is unique in consistency, harmony, intelligence and rationality:

The Qur’an is the book without inconsistencies; one part of its text, (or doctrine) does not clash with the other. In fact, it sets the absence of contradiction, irrationality, and incoherence, as one of the criteria for checking the authenticity of any divine revelation. It states "Do they not ponder the Qur’an (with care)? Had this book been from anybody but Allah, you would have found much inconsistencies.” (Surat An-Nisa:82).

Because contradictions and inconsistencies call for the negation of one part, which is in conflict with the other and this automatically invalidates portions of the book. In turn that makes it difficult for a man to remain true to any one value, thereby creating mental conflict, emotional and spiritual instability. "Skip some, follow some," “pick and choose" and "no absolutes" become the pattern. And these exercise an extremely damaging influence upon a truth-conscious, rational man with regard to belief in Allah and with regard to the credibility of the book itself. And it leads to dilemmas where sincere minds become "disjointed" and "disenchanted," eventually steering them away from the book or turn them into hypocrites.

Dr. Maurice Bucaille, who had absolutely no reason to favor one book, especially that of Islam, over the others (if anything, as human nature is, he would only favor the books of his own religion, but not the Qur’an) attests to the Qura’nic claim in his book. "The Quran ... is not only free from contradictions in its narrations, the sign of various human manipulations to be found in the Gospels, but provides a quality of its own for those who examine it objectively and in the light of science i.e. its complete agreement with modern scientific data.”

The Book may be great but what is its impact on the people, you might ask. If no impact it has any significance. How true! The Qur’an is unique in terms of its Blitzing Impact, also.

There have been many other religious books and revelations before the Qur’an. But of these, only the Holy Qur’an had the most electrifying impact upon the people. Its lightning-like rapidity, in a short few decades, reached the hearts and minds of the masses of several continents, transforming the lives of idolaters, alcoholics, exploiters, abusers, perverts, into men and women of pristine monotheism, of highest virtue and piety. Call it what you may - the most sensational spiritual revolution, or the spiritual blitzkrieg, the revolution of which the mankind had never witnessed before. To this very day, no other religion comes even close to matching Qur’an's record of the spectacular impact on lives of masses.”

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from http://www.iica.org/invitation/the_glor.html


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AB517
08-24-2007, 01:41 AM
Hi

Thank you.

1) Just so I have it right. With all the other stuff added I get confused....sorry.

Mohammed (pbuh) told it to others who wrote it down word for word. These writings were done over 20ish years.

Is that ok? and if so ...

2) Did mohammed (pbuh) put the Koran together in the order that we see it today or was it assembled at a later date? If after him, how far?

Thanks for the time you have put into the answers.
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- Qatada -
08-24-2007, 03:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by AB517
Hi

Thank you.

1) Just so I have it right. With all the other stuff added I get confused....sorry.

It's okay :)



Mohammed (pbuh) told it to others who wrote it down word for word. These writings were done over 20ish years.
Yes. The Qur'an was revealed during different circumstances throughout different events in the life of the Messenger of Allaah and his companions. You should really study their lifestory, it's amazing and packed with lessons.

http://prophetofislam.com/index.php
http://www.beconvinced.com/




Is that ok? and if so ...

2) Did mohammed (pbuh) put the Koran together in the order that we see it today or was it assembled at a later date? If after him, how far?

It was assembled by his well known companion, Abu Bakr. Around one or two years after the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)'s death.



Thanks for the time you have put into the answers.

No worries. :)





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