IMPORTANCE of balagha (in arabic)

[Caller الداعي]

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لقد وجدت هذه المقالة حول اهمية البلاغة و هي راءعة جدا ارجو ان تستفيدوا كما استفدت
http://www.bayan-alquran.net/forums/...read.php?t=893

[Ummu Sufyaan]

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whats balagha?
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[Caller الداعي]

well basically its "using the right words at the right time"
sorry thats the shorts line that came to me to describe it...

[Ummu Sufyaan]

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i se. i think i need something like that. but i heard you need to be waaayyy good at arabic.
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[Caller الداعي]

yes unfortunatly ull need to know arabic to fully understand it....but it will change ur experience of listening or reciting the quran dramatically when u have learnt it.
plus u know where Allah mentions in the quran

Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

well after u have mastered balagah u will realise the true gravity of that verse...

may allah give us the true understanding of the quran...ameen

[amirah_87]

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The link isn't working for me? or maybe I dunno how to use it correctly?

[Ummu Sufyaan]

yes unfortunatly ull need to know arabic to fully understand it....but it will change ur experience of listening or reciting the quran dramatically when u have learnt it.
plus u know where Allah mentions in the quran

Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

well after u have mastered balagah u will realise the true gravity of that verse...

may allah give us the true understanding of the quran...ameen

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ar you able to explain it...
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[Ummu Sufyaan]

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The link isn't working for me? or maybe I dunno how to use it correctly?

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no sis, its definatley you!! lol. nah, its working for me.
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[Caller الداعي]

i dont know amirah it works here....maybe u can go from the site:
http://www.bayan-alquran.net/forums/...isplay.php?f=6
hope that helps

[amirah_87]

lol Laa ba's, I had to switch to internet Explorer to be able to view it properly. It somehow doesn't show up fully on Mozilla.

Jazaakuma'allaahu khair.

Are there any online audios lessons on the basics of Balaagha?

[Caller الداعي]

well 1stly balagah is a vast subject/art....but branches out into 3 main parts :

1. meanings (maani)
2. speech (bayan)
3. innovator (badee3) ...sorry for poor translation but its not so important here...

meaning= deals with the begining of sentences cutting words out adding them empahsisng certain words.....
i think the best thing that comes to my mind is e.g. when someone says where is imran? the answer can be either: imran is in the house or (just) in the house.

speech= more to do with metaphors , examples , comparing....
e.g. imran is a mountain ....which doesnt mean hes a mountain literally( he might be bigggg!) but it compares his status or his knowledge with the hugeness of a mountain..

the last badee3= to do with rhyming words or the usage of words having the same rootword....
e.g. in english to be or not to be or i wrote the tab on my bat

obviously theres more to it than that.....oh yes and u have to have a natural taste for it..
hope u could find ur way thru my intangling wild translation/ interpretation of balagah!
sorry for mistakes

[amirah_87]

That was interesting mashaAllaah, and understandable too. JazaakAllaah khair.

Balaagha fascinates me so much, it's just so awesome subhanAllaah. InshaAllaah some day I'll be able to find someone to teach me it.

If you don't mind me asking, have you studied it akhee? If so how? and which books?

[Caller الداعي]

thanks ukhtee...
and yes i have studied it ...
....i studied a book called droos albalagah its a simple 'matan'
....also albalagah alwadiha
....talkhees almiftah which is another matan kinda muglaq if u know what i mean
....and some mukhtasar almaani by al imam saad taftazaani
.... also i benefitted alot my teachers..
some very beneficial and easy to understand books are balagh alwadiha and albalagh alarabiya by almaydani (u can get this on the net)
http://www.altafsir.com/MiscellaneousBooks.asp

hope that helps..
and i hope u get a chance to study it really it will give u a new depth into the beauty of the words of the quran..
by the way u gota know arabic for these books!!

[amirah_87]

Allaah yubaarik feek for answering my questions. That's quite a handful of books you studied there, WaffaqakAllah.

Al-Balaagha Al-Wadihah & Talkheesul-Miftaah are one's Im familiar with. I've read through the former a few times, but unfortunately this isnt a self tutorial kinda topic is it?

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

well basically its "using the right words at the right time"
sorry thats the shorts line that came to me to describe it...

:salamext:

Would 'eloquence' be the English equivalent?

[Caller الداعي]

sorry for late reply just came back from the mosque

yes ...balagah isnt all selftutorial even if the main topics maybe well be....
...and yes maybe almawahiida ...however i only gave the most brief interpretation of the subject whihc falls very short of reality....
thynks

and i would love to teach it someday if i get the chance..

[IceQueen~]

My teacher told us it means (I'm not sure exactly how to translate what she said): small speech but which has a vast meaning

[amirah_87]

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Na'am. InshaAllaah you'll get the chance to teach it someday. Maybe you can open up a thread going through the basics with those who are interested here? :)

small speech but which has a vast meaning

I was given that same definition too, but in arabic.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

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I don't know why, but that reminded me immediately of Ibnul Qayyim rahimahullaah, and his style of writing!

[Caller الداعي]

inshallah
yes that is part of it ........but as i mentioned before the meaning of balagah is more vast for any english word to encompass it....

[Ummu Sufyaan]

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I don't know why, but that reminded me immediately of Ibnul Qayyim rahimahullaah, and his style of writing!

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you reminded me of this:

The seeker of knowledge must be keen to read the most important reference books, not modern works, because some of the modern writers do not have deep knowledge, so if you read what they have written you will find that it is superficial. They may quote things verbatim, or they may distort them to make them longer, but it is all waffle. So you have to read the most important reference works written by the salaf, because they are better and more blessed than many of the books of the later generation. Most of the books of the later writers are short on meanings but long-winded. You may read a whole page which could have been summarized in one or two lines. But you will find the books of the salaf to be easy, straightforward and well written, with not even one word that has no meaning.

Source
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[Caller الداعي]

...that reminds me...our teachers have always advised us that a student should always study the classical books and not to be satisfied with the modern books....

[Ummu Sufyaan]

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thats what it said in the fatwa aswell.
is your teacher sh. munnajjid?
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[Caller الداعي]

unfortunately i didnt study under shaykh munajjad..

[Periwinkle18]

Wow been ages since I came on here...

i'm kinda studying balagha and just wanted to ask are there any videos in which some ones explained it ?