To muslims are atheists worse than other theists?

This is not meant to start bickering... so please ignore any trolls that try to take it that way (there's really only one I'd expect to do so).

What I want to know is how muslims in general feel about atheists. Are we seen merely as lost souls, ignorant of the truth, or are we seen as agents of Shaytan (sp?) and more of a threat to the true faith than any false religion could be?

I ask because I have noticed that here as well as elsewhere on the internet the muslims and christians and jews will argue with each other, even bicker from time to time but when dealing with the atheist it seems to be a whole other level of it. Are the atheists just more provocative or is there something about them not believing that itself troubles folks?

I've also met some devout christians who appear to be threatened or offended simply by learning I'm an atheist, without me saying anything more than that (or them finding out I'm an atheist from a third person). One of them refused to talk to me for weeks after learning I'm a heathen... which was just very strange because she was quite a nice and sweet lady otherwise. The fangs only came out after learning this.

I have not met many muslims in my real life (they simply aren't as prevalent here) so I'm wondering if the same phenomenon exists with them. Given that I say nothing against their faith, only that I'm atheist, would they regard me same as a christian or jew or would they have a special concern about me beyond that?

Fellow atheists and agnostics are welcome to opine on this as well (as well as all others here) but again I ask that this not be turned into a war zone as too often threads re atheism seem to.

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Well, as I know and as I think, to atheists we should convey the message of Islam, that there is no God beside Allah, we should treat them good and help them when needed. So, they are no soldiers of the Devil you are no soldier of the devil .
You have understood that there is no God, we only should tell you that ALLAH is the one and only God It's easy for a Muslim to talk with atheist because the atheist doesn't believe in 3 gods, woman god, man god, half woman half man god, elephant god, cow god, dog god ... like some others do , and like Christians do believe in 3 gods, Trinity.
So , no problem with atheist, they know that the Bible is fabricated, they know that Christianity is fabricated, they know that the message of Christianity is doctrine made by people for their interests .. they know that there is no science in the Bible, and it's easy with them.

Check this links, these are answers by professionals , people inviting other toward Islam, I hope you will understand your issue better.


How Islam Deals with Atheist - by Dr Zakir Naik

Dawah To An Atheist By Zakir Naik, Part 1

Dawah To An Atheist By Zakir Naik, Part 2

Dr. Zakir Naik - Does God exist?

InshAllah they will help you and you will be right guided into Islam.

I know in the US , religion is a big part of a proportion of peoples lives. Here, it's the Norm to be Atheist or Agnostic.

It's much rarer to practice that Atheism or Agnosticism, or have any devoutness in it.

The Christians I do meet, only really get upset when I tell them that I dont fear God. They cant understand that at all.
Mostly they accept the secular veiw as part of society and potential Lambs to be brought back into The Fold

Muslims, I know plenty of Muslims, but unsurprisingly, we dont talk religion

they are quite a few Muslims in this world. I believe most of us do believe that an Atheist is lost, especially if he/she has been been told about Allaah(swt) and refuses to believe.

However, we all believe Allaah(swt) to be the fairest and most merciful of all judges. We do not know how he will judge any specific individual.

Now, as far as how we personally feel about Atheists I would say that will be very individual and you will get different opinions from every one of us.

Pygoscelis, you should watch those videos by Zakir Naik.

As bro woodrow said, it would depend on each individual's personality. But I believe for the most part, you will find Muslims less threatened or be hostile towards you if your an atheist compared to some other faith. Islam does not believe forcing religion down other's throat nor shunning them for their beliefs. I'd treat you the same way i'd treat a christian, jew or any other person and that is like a human being. Our faiths (or lack of) may differ but doesn't mean we have nothing in common for us to get along.

Only people i would have issue with is those who try to force their beliefs on you, whether they be christain, atheist or what not.

barney said:

The Christians I do meet, only really get upset when I tell them that I dont fear God. They cant understand that at all.
Mostly they accept the secular veiw as part of society and potential Lambs to be brought back into The Fold

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The problem of Christians is that they fail in presenting the right concept of God, and they are getting angry in their own mistake. Interesting, they present bad concept of God, and they lose people from Christianity because of their mistakes and modifications done in the religion. They should not get upset at all!

barney said:

Muslims, I know plenty of Muslims, but unsurprisingly, we dont talk religion

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It's sad for those Muslims that don't convey the message of Islam to the non-Muslims.

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I think they are pretty much the same to be honest...

Woodrow said:

I believe most of us do believe that an Atheist is lost, especially if he/she has been been told about Allaah(swt) and refuses to believe.

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brother, I think that more lost are those who believe in elephant and snakes for their gods. Atheists in general are people that has left Christianity as their previous believe, so I congratulate to an Atheist ( like Dr.Zakir Naik do) because he started to think.

well i do have frens who are agnostic, but as long as you do not talk against Islam or attack muslim brothers and sisters, i dont find any reason to be hostile to you ar any other atheist or agnostic

On one hand I prefer atheists because it generally means they were raised on one religion, recognised that is it falsehood and rejected it, on the other hand I think they are worst because they have the arrogance to presume there is no God.

Now, why did you leave out the dear agnostics? I think they are best- the rejected the falsehood of the religions they may have been born into but did not reject God.

Malaikah said:

On one hand I prefer atheists because it generally means they were raised on one religion, recognised that is it falsehood and rejected it

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What if that religion were Islaam?

Pygoscelis said:

This is not meant to start bickering... so please ignore any trolls that try to take it that way (there's really only one I'd expect to do so).

What I want to know is how muslims in general feel about atheists. Are we seen merely as lost souls, ignorant of the truth, or are we seen as agents of Shaytan (sp?) and more of a threat to the true faith than any false religion could be?

I ask because I have noticed that here as well as elsewhere on the internet the muslims and christians and jews will argue with each other, even bicker from time to time but when dealing with the atheist it seems to be a whole other level of it. Are the atheists just more provocative or is there something about them not believing that itself troubles folks?

I've also met some devout christians who appear to be threatened or offended simply by learning I'm an atheist, without me saying anything more than that (or them finding out I'm an atheist from a third person). One of them refused to talk to me for weeks after learning I'm a heathen... which was just very strange because she was quite a nice and sweet lady otherwise. The fangs only came out after learning this.

I have not met many muslims in my real life (they simply aren't as prevalent here) so I'm wondering if the same phenomenon exists with them. Given that I say nothing against their faith, only that I'm atheist, would they regard me same as a christian or jew or would they have a special concern about me beyond that?

Fellow atheists and agnostics are welcome to opine on this as well (as well as all others here) but again I ask that this not be turned into a war zone as too often threads re atheism seem to.

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here is what it boils down to.

atheism, as a philosophy in and of itself, outside of it being the most illogical and quite preposterous innovated beleif invented by man ever to be produced, it is the most corrupt in terms of its core foundation, the very denial of the root causes that made such a person existant, God.
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that is the theology itself, as for people.

according to Islam, disbeleivers (that means all whether christian, jews, atheists, etc) are of 2 categories

1. non hostile
2. the antagonists (hostile).

it is based on these two realities being implemented by a disbeleiver that qualifies him or herself to be among the first and the second, and based on that premise are treated to that extent, Islamically.

as for how muslims see atheism as being a threat more so than other religions, is far from being true. As muslims we know a house built on cards can only last for so long. while all religions (paths to God) failed to protect the sanctity of the essence of what their prophets (from God) revealed to them, at least their house of cards are made of plastic (so to speak) where as atheism, its actual cards is made of tissue paper.

most of the disbeleiveing world are just merely ignorants, and what qualifies one to enter the characterisitcs of a fully flesdged shaytan are actually a couple matters

1, being that hthey are fully furnished with undeniable evideence to which it is not only met with rejection but viewed as objectionable
2. at-tabaakee i.e. one who plays around. In this case even when the people of truth try to pin someone down (theologically speaking) in such a way that they would have to accept, they have an escape route so absurd. they are untouchable

and other characteristics. for example, Robert Spencer and people of his like are considered shayateen (devils), complete and outright liars who only after 9/11 became sudden experts on a religion they themselves don't understand the grammatical structure of the arabic alphabet, much less the grammatical usage and expertise to even make a comment on.

legislatively speaking, in islam, the shaytaan is one who deters another from a worship of God. and worship in Islam means all thing,s having good character, having proper and validated beleifs, etc. That means when somone is encoraging muslims to leave Islam or they encourage innovated beleifs, or they espouse via propagation distorted interpretations of islam in order to deter muslims from following the understanding of the prophet and his companions, then by default such a one is a shaytaan. So that shaytaan can be both a muslim or a disbeleiver, and shaytans are not limited to only disbeleivers.

i hope this answer was sufiicient

Malaikah said:

On one hand I prefer atheists because it generally means they were raised on one religion, recognised that is it falsehood and rejected it, on the other hand I think they are worst because they have the arrogance to presume there is no God.

Now, why did you leave out the dear agnostics? I think they are best- the rejected the falsehood of the religions they may have been born into but did not reject God.

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Ya, Agnostics rock.

Malaikah said:

On one hand I prefer atheists because it generally means they were raised on one religion, recognised that is it falsehood and rejected it, on the other hand I think they are worst because they have the arrogance to presume there is no God.

Now, why did you leave out the dear agnostics? I think they are best- the rejected the falsehood of the religions they may have been born into but did not reject God.

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Indeed. But what if our understanding of God is utterly incompatible with Allah, as well as Yahweh and Hirohito. Surely then we are as misguided as the atheists?

Of course you are misguided, but hardly to the extent of atheists!

And it isn't fair to say that agnostics understand of God "is utterly incompatible" because agnostics are very broad in their beliefs, many of who don't really know what they believe.

Of course I am not saying that being agnostic is a good thing, but for sure it is better than being an atheist.

To Muslims at least to me , Atheists are ignorant they are disbelievers just like the jews and christians, most Ahteists are evil and have converted some muslims even into their corrupt belief!!

Personally I see no diffrence between Athiests and Agnostics oh: I have heard of self proclaimed athiests revert to Islam and one has actually done a lecture on it actually:

http://lightuponlight.com/islam/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=search&query=jEff&orderby=dateD

So we see that no one is truely an athiest, because if the Brother Jeffrey Lang actually stood firm to the belief "There is no God" he would never have considered Islam if you know what I am saying. Potatoes tomatoes, whats the diffrence innit?

al-muslimah said:

To Muslims at least to me , Atheists are ignorant they are disbelievers just like the jews and christians, most Ahteists are evil and have converted some muslims even into their corrupt belief!!

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So what is your defination of evil? Atheist. :muddlehealaying: