Negation of Past tense

[asadxyz]

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Negation of the past tense
Different particles, like ما,لا,لم,لمّا are used to negate past ,though in a different manner. Here we will use only “ما “.
NOTE: Just place “ما “ before the verb.
ما ذهب
He did not go

ما كان ذهب
He had not gone

قد ما ذهب
He has not gone

ليتما ما ذهب
Would! He had not gone

لعلّما ما ذهب
Perhaps he did not go.
:w:

[muslim1]

:sl:
Negation of the past tense
Different particles, like ما,لا,لم,لمّا are used to negate past ,though in a different manner. Here we will use only “ما “.
NOTE: Just place “ما “ before the verb.
ما ذهب
He did not go

ما كان ذهب
He had not gone

قد ما ذهب
He has not gone


ليتما ما ذهب
Would! He had not gone

لعلّما ما ذهب
Perhaps he did not go.
:w:

All the sentences you provided in English can take one form in Arabic:
لم يذهب
They can also take this form:
ما ذهب

You can NOT say
ما كان ذهب
or
قد ما ذهب
or
لا ذهب
or
ليتما ما ذهب
or
لعلّما ما ذهب

As fo لما
It means negation for the past only and proves the possibility of the verb to happen in the future.
When I say
لما يذهب
It means that he dint go but he possibly will go.

Cheers :thumbs_up

[asadxyz]

All the sentences you provided in English can take one form in Arabic:
لم يذهب
They can also take this form:
ما ذهب

You can NOT say
ما كان ذهب
or
قد ما ذهب
or
لا ذهب
or
ليتما ما ذهب
or
لعلّما ما ذهب

As fo لما
It means negation for the past only and proves the possibility of the verb to happen in the future.
When I say
لما يذهب
It means that he dint go but he possibly will go.

Cheers :thumbs_up

:sl:
Dear muslim !first of all I welcome your participation.
All these structures I have taken are from a "Grammar Book" by Qari Siddique Ahmed.
Secondly ,I do not mind correction because no one is perfect.But I will appreciate if these are duely backed by some authenticated reference.
For example you said:

You can NOT say
ما كان ذهب
or
قد ما ذهب
or
لا ذهب

I am quoting here a sentence from W.Wright volume ii page 8
لو كانواعرفوها لما كانو صلبوا رب المجد
“If they had known it ,they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”
So I do not know on what ground you say that
ما كان ذهب
is not possible.It is another thing that past perfect needs another sentence before it .
I will request any proper reference.
Secondly,how can you say that لا is not used in the past?.It is used but in a different way as I mentioned in my first post.Look at this Quranic aya:
فَلَا صَدَّقَ وَلَا صَلَّى﴿75:31﴾ (75:31)
But he neither affirmed (the Truth) nor prayed

The difference to use “ لا” is that you have to repeat another past verb.But it is not prohibited as you have claimed.
Same is the case with other objections.
:w:

[Imam]

:sl:
Dear muslim !first of all I welcome your participation.
All these structures I have taken are from a "Grammar Book" by Qari Siddique Ahmed.


I am quoting here a sentence from W.Wright volume ii page 8
لو كانواعرفوها لما كانو صلبوا رب المجد
“If they had known it ,they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”
So I do not know on what ground you say that
ما كان ذهب
is not possible.It is another thing that past perfect needs another sentence before it .
I will request any proper reference.
Secondly,how can you say that لا is not used in the past?.It is used but in a different way as I mentioned in my first post.Look at this Quranic aya:
فَلَا صَدَّقَ وَلَا صَلَّى﴿75:31﴾ (75:31)
But he neither affirmed (the Truth) nor prayed

The difference to use “ لا” is that you have to repeat another past verb.But it is not prohibited as you have claimed.

:w:

That is true ...

even in spoken language you can find it....

eg;

ماكنش عرف السر

ماكنش راح هناك

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[muslim1]

That is true ...

even in spoken language you can find it....

eg;

ماكنش عرف السر

ماكنش راح هناك

Salam Imam,
This is slang Egyptian accent. Such sentences cant be a proof for anything. As for the other sentences I referred to, they are all TOTALLY WRONG. Im a native speaker and these books u refer to are not written by native speakers or even scholars of Arabic language.

Arabic grammar is something else. There are rules that are totally broken in ur examples.

If you want to prove authenticity of a sentence, bring a verse from Quraan or Hadeeth from Sunnah or a verse from Jahiliay Arabic poetry.

By the way, I have a BA in the Arabic language and a native speaker as well.

May Allah guide us all to the right path. :peace:

[muslim1]

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Dear muslim !first of all I welcome your participation.
All these structures I have taken are from a "Grammar Book" by Qari Siddique Ahmed.
Secondly ,I do not mind correction because no one is perfect.But I will appreciate if these are duely backed by some authenticated reference.
For example you said:

I am quoting here a sentence from W.Wright volume ii page 8
لو كانواعرفوها لما كانو صلبوا رب المجد
“If they had known it ,they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”
So I do not know on what ground you say that
ما كان ذهب
is not possible.It is another thing that past perfect needs another sentence before it .
I will request any proper reference.
Secondly,how can you say that لا is not used in the past?.It is used but in a different way as I mentioned in my first post.Look at this Quranic aya:
فَلَا صَدَّقَ وَلَا صَلَّى﴿75:31﴾ (75:31)
But he neither affirmed (the Truth) nor prayed

The difference to use “ لا” is that you have to repeat another past verb.But it is not prohibited as you have claimed.
Same is the case with other objections.
:w:

Salam Brother,
I dont know about W. Wright, but the text you bring here is too bad to be called Arabic language. :embarrass

As for the verse فلا صدق ولا صلى
Here لا is of the meaning of لم and not taking its original meaning. The verse means لم يتصدق ولم يصل

And Allah knows the best

[asadxyz]

Salam Brother,
I dont know about W. Wright, but the text you bring here is too bad to be called Arabic language. :embarrass

As for the verse فلا صدق ولا صلى
Here لا is of the meaning of لم and not taking its original meaning. The verse means لم يتصدق ولم يصل

And Allah knows the best

:sl:
You said

I dont know about W. Wright,

I was expecting so that you do not about "A grammar of Arabic Language" by W.Wright.

As for the verse فلا صدق ولا صلى
Here لا is of the meaning of لم and not taking its original meaning. The verse means لم يتصدق ولم يصل

This is what we are discussing that with لا we get the same meaning.
لا النَّافِيَة : إذا وقَعَت على فِعل نَفَته مُستَقبلاً، وحَقََّ نَفيها بمَا وَقَعَ مُوجباً يالقَسَمِ، كقوللك : "ليَقُومَنَّ زيد" فتقول: "لا يَقُومُ " وقد تَنفِي الماضي، فإن نَفَتةُ وَجَبَ تَكرارها، نحو " لا أَكلتُ ولا شَرِبتُ"
Ref: Mo3jamul Qawaid ul Lugha by Abdul Ghani Dakker

دخولها على فعل ماض: ]فلا صَدَّقَ ولا صلّى[.
Reference : Alkafaf by Saidaawi

المفصل في صنعة الإعراب - (ج 1 / ص 59)
ولا لنفي المستقبل في قولك لا يفعل قال سيبويه وأما لا فتكون نفياً لقول القائل هو يفعل ولم يقع الفعل وقد نفي بها الماضي في قوله تعالى: " فلا صدق ولا صلى " . وقوله:
فأي أمر سيء لا فعله(Note:I hope you know "Alzamakhshari)
I wish if you could bring some reference in your support.Then conversation becomes fruitful ,otherwise it becomes JUST USELESS.Because no one of us is authority.
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