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MetSudaisTwice
09-22-2005, 01:48 PM
salam
i think this is probably the oldest or the first quran in the world
The Quranic manuscript at the Sayidnaa Al-Hussein mosque in Cairo, written in large Arabic script, is perhaps the oldest of all the manuscripts, and is either "Uthmanic" or an exact copy from the original with similarity to the "Madinan" script
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Hajar
09-22-2005, 01:50 PM
:sl:

azakallah khair brother.

hmm the oldest Quran..it sure does look old.

:w:
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MetSudaisTwice
09-22-2005, 01:59 PM
salam
yes subhanallah
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Safa
09-22-2005, 02:02 PM
Salam,

Interesting, Jazakallah khair for the picture.
You can't really make out the words on it though.
Anyone know what's the difference between the "Uthmanic" and the "Madinan" scripts?

Wa'salam
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Isaac
09-22-2005, 09:43 PM
Salam. SubhanAllah it look so beautiful. Im glad i was notfied of this, cos inshAllah ill be going to egypt soon and will definatly have alookt at this in person if possible. Thanks
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muslimdawah99
09-23-2005, 06:05 AM
Salam Aleykum,

This quran that is at Masjid Al-hussien, is a quran that was present at the time of Uthman Ibn Affan (may Allah be pleased with him). Here is some info:

Mohamed Seif el-Shazli has renovated a lot of manuscripts and monuments in his time. He helped reconstruct temples in Abu Simbel and Nubia, the Zoser Pyramid in Saqqara and spent 10 years in the holy city of Mecca restoring old documents and books. But nothing has come dose to the importance of his latest project: the restoration of the first Qur'an ever written.

EI-Shazli, along with his son Ahmed, has spent the past year diligently rebuilding the leather pages of the 1,400-year-old book. The holy book - which stands a staggering 50 centimeters high - has been kept in the relics room of al-Hussein Mosque for the past 100 years, along with other relics, including hairs from the Prophet's beard, his sword, parts of his walking stick and clothing. "This may not be the most difficult project that I have done, but it is a project that feeds my soul," says el-Shazli, 58, whose grandfather, Shazli Mahmoud `Ali, worked during the 1920s with British and American archeologists restoring artifacts found at Giza and Saqqara pyramids.

EI-Shazli learned the craft of restoration from his father, el-Shazli Mahmoud. He began his apprenticeship when he was 12 years old, assisting his father in restoring leather, moldings, weaving, and wood, as well as manuscripts and books. But it wasn't until he was in his twenties that felt he could work on restoration projects alone.

EI-Shazli, a faculty member in the archeology department at Cairo University, was a natural selection when the Egyptian government was looking for someone to restore the Qur'an. In addition to his experience in the field, like the ardent scribes of early Islam, he has memorized the entire Qur'an.

The restoration project is the brainchild of Dr. Souad Maher, the former dean of Cairo University archeology department, who is renowned for being the first female to attain a doctorate in Islamic history in the Arab world. She has long been involved in the renovations of the relics in the mosque and during the 1960s she verified the authentidty of the relics, using the scientific carbon-testing method to determine that the relics and the Qur'an dated back to the time of the Prophet Mohammed(P).

Maher restored the same Qur'an 45 years ago, but she says that the wear and tear of the years made additional restoration work necessary. She petitioned the Ministry of Awqaf to allocate money for the renovation. "The problem is that many people come to see the book, to touch and kiss it," says Maher. "This is a very important project. After all, this is the first Qur'an in the world. The inscriptions are perfect."

The `Uthman Qur'an, as it is known, is one of four Qur'ans hand-written by the third Caliph `Uthman. According to Sheikh Ahmed Ismail, head Sheikh at al-Hussein Mosque, this is the Qur'an that all other Qur'ans are based on. The Prophet Mohammed's(P) disciples used to write down his recitations on leaves, animal skins and rocks and kept the writings in the home of Hafsa, one of the Prophet's widows. `Uthman, the son-in-law of the Prophet collected the Prophet's writings after his death and put them into one book, creating the version now accepted by Muslims. `Uthman made four copies to be distributed in the Arab world. One was sent to the ruler of Egypt; the other three are believed to be in Iraq, Yemen and Syria.

`Uthman was eventually assassinated by a group of Muslims, who became disgruntled with his ruling abilities and his perceived nepotism. It is said that he was slain while reading the Qur'an, his blood flowing on to the pages. His death ushered in an era of civil wars and political schisms in Islamic history. However he is most remembered as the Caliph who pushed for the preservation of the Qur'an as one book.

Since that time, the holy book has been in the possession of each successive Egyptian ruler. About 500 years ago, the `Uthman Qur'an was moved from the ruler's home to a place called "relics of the Prophet" in old Cairo, then to `Amr Ibn al-As Mosque in Old Cairo, then to the Salah Tala'i Mosque also in old Cairo and finally to al-Hussein Mosque where it has been ever since.

"It was very prestigious and an honor as well for the ruler to have the original Qur'an and relics of the Prophet in his country," says Sheikh Ahmed. "Every ruler was proud to have such relics, as a way to show love and respect."

The years however, haven't been kind to the book. Although it was carefully enclosed in a leather box and a glass case, dust had accumulated between the 1,400 pages and tiny insects had eaten away some portions of the leather pages.

El-Shazli spent the first two months cleaning the pages of the Qur'an and sanitizing the book to kill all the insects, before beginning the restoration work. Two kilos of dust had accumulated in the box where the Qur'an was kept.

Each page takes roughly two weeks to restore. El-Shazli first stretches the old deerskin page between pieces of glass for a week, then fills in any gaps with chemical-free paper. He hand- paints any holes in the letters, however he refuses to replace any completely-missing letters or words, saying that he doesn't want to alter the text of the Qur'an in any way. "That is the line I don't want to cross when restoring a manuscript," he says.

In the sacred room, el-Shazli works slowly and methodically. Wearing glasses similar to a jeweler's, he studies a portion of the leather page which he has mounted on white paper. As his son Ahmed looks on, he paints in portions where the letters have worn away. After a year and a half of this work, he says the restoration is nearly 80 percent complete. By the summer he says, the Qur'an should be completely restored. After that, el-Shazli hopes the book will be put on display, for any interested scholar or tourist to view. "It is part of our heritage," he says. "It is important that people who want to see it, are able to see the first book in Islam."

The book holds a special significance, especially for those who pray daily in al-Hussein Mosque, considered the most important mosque in Egypt. As Sheikh Ahmed puts it: "This Qur'an was touched by those people who knew the Prophet, who had shaken hands with him. To have this Qur'an in this place, we become spiritually very happy and elated." But Sheikh Ahmed is quick to point out that physical age of the book is secondary to the message inside. "This isn't just a book to be blessed by, it is a way of life," Sheikh Ahmed says. "The Qur'an tells us not only how to pray, but how to work, cultivate and beautify life."
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Protected_Diamond
09-23-2005, 07:28 PM
whoaa masha Allah
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Zuko
09-23-2005, 09:10 PM
DUDE THAT IS AWESOME!!!! Jazakallah for the picture and article... I'm speechless....
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Khayal
09-23-2005, 09:17 PM
:salaaam:

:awesome:

:w:
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Arwa
09-23-2005, 10:23 PM
wa alaikum assalam

masha'Allah. :sister:


Jazakallah khair for sharing :D
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Genius
09-23-2005, 10:27 PM
Looks beautiful, the greatest gift ever given to mankind.
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Umm Yoosuf
09-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Subhanallah
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gladTidings
09-23-2005, 10:29 PM
SubhanAllah
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Saladin UK
09-23-2005, 11:37 PM
man that is awesome. Jazakhalla Khair......

Beautifull and Big and lots of important Islamic History to preserve..... subhanAllah!
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Danish
09-24-2005, 05:45 PM
:sl:
mashallah

clear proof quran has sufferened no alterations alhamdulillah!
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afriend
11-12-2006, 09:28 PM
wow that's beautiful bro ;) Jazakallah for posting it up.
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Umar001
11-12-2006, 09:31 PM
BOOOYA

wait a second, there's hair of the prophet peace be upon him there? and the prophets sword?


OMG

BOOOYA
BOOYA BOOYA AND
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYA
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al_yaziya
11-18-2006, 11:19 AM
Wow! Thank you :)
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aqsa1
11-18-2006, 10:13 PM
the quraan is sooo BIGG mashallah makes me want to pray from it
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Sum-Muslim-Gal
11-18-2006, 10:15 PM
salam

WoooooooooooooW!!!!!!!!!

I CANT BELIEVE MY EYES SUBHANAALLAH!!!!!!!

wasalam
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M2A^AKIB^
11-18-2006, 11:18 PM
it's huge!
Mashallah!:)
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Younus
11-19-2006, 06:59 AM
:sl:

We cannot say that it is THE oldest/first Qur'an. We cannot.

In the world, may be there is The Qur'an still older than that Qur'an shown in the picture, which people do not know of, or have not found.

Allah knows best about it.

subhanallah !

:w:
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cihad
11-19-2006, 11:58 AM
wow
like wow
like wow wow

subhanallah
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Umar001
11-19-2006, 12:04 PM
THUMMA
BOOOOOYA
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11-19-2006, 01:35 PM
:sl:

WOW!!! SUBHAN'ALLAH!!!

:w:
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Mawaddah
11-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Subhanallah wow :) Amazing


Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
THUMMA
BOOOOOYA
What's that supposed to mean?
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luvziran
11-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Wouldn't a pic of PEOPLE with the Quran be against Islam ?
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no1_outbider
11-19-2006, 06:46 PM
allahu akbar Kabira!!!

It sure does look old!!

WowwWw!
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Trumble
11-19-2006, 10:33 PM
I'm a little surprised they seem to be handling it in that fashion. Shouldn't they be wearing gloves or using those plastic tweezer thingies?
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Musaafirah
11-19-2006, 10:38 PM
:sl:
Jazakallahukhair for uploading the pic!
:w:
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Younus
11-20-2006, 06:56 AM
Originally Posted by Trumble
I'm a little surprised they seem to be handling it in that fashion. Shouldn't they be wearing gloves or using those plastic tweezer thingies?
For touching The Qur'an, a Muslim needs to perform ablution (wudu), only then can he touch The Qur'an.
So there is no problem in that pic. Those people are touching the Qur'an so long as they are in a state of ablution (wudu).

Allah knows best.
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Malaikah
11-20-2006, 07:15 AM
:sl:

^lol. I think he said that because it is a historical item and needs to be handled with care as it is likely to be pretty fragile.
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Trumble
11-20-2006, 07:33 AM
Originally Posted by cheese
:sl:

^lol. I think he said that because it is a historical item and needs to be handled with care as it is likely to be pretty fragile.
Yes. Cotton or surgical gloves are usually used with ancient documents to prevent contact with sweat and contaminating substances found on the skin. A lot of that stuff even a thorough wash won't get rid of.
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02-21-2008, 08:21 PM
:salamext:

*bump
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Umar001
02-27-2008, 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by Mawaddah
Subhanallah wow :) Amazing




What's that supposed to mean?
Who was that IsaAbdullah? He prolly meant something slangish, you know, typical Muslims now days, mixing arabic with slang. :exhausted

Wouldn't it be cool though to use the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him's sword?
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IbnAbdulHakim
02-28-2008, 12:56 PM
subhanAllaah thats amazing :)
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