Death penalty????

[Whatsthepoint]

Just to add to the discussion, a little fact that's been overlooked:

Rape is not about sex, it's about power and control. So it doesn't matter whether the person is being satisfied in marriage or not, a rapist will continue to rape to feel powerful. Rape is similar to pedophilia in that aspect, it being more about control than the actual action.

I guess that's true.
But does a person choose to be like that? Or is it a result of certain factors in their childhood, adolescence etc?
Should they control themselves and their urges? Of course they should, but can they? No. I believe most of them wouldn't even if they knew they could get killed for it.

Since everyone has ben making comparisons of humans and crops, I'm gonna make a different one:
When there's an epidemic, do we kill/burn the infected?

[crayon]

I guess that's true.
But does a person choose to be like that? Or is it a result of certain factors in their childhood, adolescence etc?

Should they control themselves and their urges? Of course they should, but can they? No. I believe most of them wouldn't even if they knew they could get killed for it.

Since everyone has ben making comparisons of humans and crops, I'm gonna make a different one:
When there's an epidemic, do we kill/burn the infected?

With some people it could be a psychological disease, something they have no control over. Not with all, though. It could be a result of something that happened to them. Many children that were sexually abused grow up to molest other children themselves. Should they be excused, then, since it's not their fault, ultimately?

We try to help the infected, we try to cure them. But when they start affecting others, when they start harming them, then the more important priority is to stop them. By any means necessary. Would you rather lose someone who is negatively affecting others (even if they can't control themselves) (others such as rape and murder victims, their families, society as a whole), or would you rather have the innocent victims suffer?

[Whatsthepoint]

But when they start affecting others, when they start harming them, then the more important priority is to stop them.

Bingo.
But do we kill them? No, we put them in quarantine!

[crayon]

Well what about when they get out? That's just giving them ANOTHER chance to commit the same crime as before. How is that protecting innocents?

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[crayon]

Sexual predators are being released on parole and then are committing more violent sex crimes.

check that out.

edit- oh, and this was written in 93. I would bet my life that the numbers have increased since then.

[Whatsthepoint]

Sexual predators are being released on parole and then are committing more violent sex crimes.

check that out.

edit- oh, and this was written in 93. I would bet my life that the numbers have increased since then.

I guess I'm more pro-life-in-prison now, nothing more.
And perhaps it's time we thoroughly revised our system of rehabilitation/resocialisation of prisoners.

[AvarAllahNoor]

I guess I'm more pro-life-in-prison now, nothing more.

And perhaps it's time we thoroughly revised our system of rehabilitation/resocialisation of prisoners.

Who today actually serves a life sentence? hardly any.

[Mikayeel]

The state should me more careful in releasing prisoners.:)

yep you are right there, the numbers are way to high:)

[truemuslim]

prisoners dont even deserve to be released...in my opinion..

[Woodrow]

I guess I'm more pro-life-in-prison now, nothing more.
And perhaps it's time we thoroughly revised our system of rehabilitation/resocialisation of prisoners.

For a few years I did some work here in Texas towards developing rehabilitation programs for sex-offenders. I will not say much about it, except the projects I was involved with did not work. As far as I know the recidivism rate still remains at 85% of those released will be rearrested for the same type crime and our conclusion is the other 15% just got better at avoiding arrest.

[AvarAllahNoor]

The judicial system in this country is ludicrious. They give you a slap on the wrist for such crimes these days. Who allows the judges to remain in such postions after being so lenient? Lord only knows!

[Z-Blade]

Snakelegs posed an interesting question in this thread that I don't think anyone replied.

What should happen if DNA evidence or something equally scientific contradicted the testimonies of 4 male witnesses?

I would think it depnds on who is more reliable and trustworthy, the person/team who conducted the DNA/forensic study or the 4 male witnesses.

The state should me more careful in releasing prisoners.:)

Indeed it should. Except I think they have overcrowding in prisons as it is? Which further goes to show that the criminal system isn't working. They are just receiving slaps on the wrist as Avar has stated as well.

Not only that, some have it worse outside of prison, so they do crimes just so they can get in prison and have proper food, accomodation etc. basically it's a hotel for them as compared to what they have outside!

The Western society is in quite an appalling state in these regards and some others.