Peers Thrives on Shirk

[M H Kahn]

In some Muslim countries, some scholars suddenly declare that they have become peers. The public in general then believe that the peer is dear and near to Allah and he is able to do any good or harm for his disciples by exerting his influence on Allah. Many even believe that a peer's pleasure means Allah's pleasure. So they go to such peer named satanic scholars and pay them money to buy Allah's grace and favour through him.

Therefore all the peers are great satans, who trade in shirk.

[i_m_tipu]

In some Muslim countries, some scholars suddenly declare that they have become peers. The public in general then believe that the peer is dear and near to Allah and he is able to do any good or harm for his disciples by exerting his influence on Allah. Many even believe that a peer's pleasure means Allah's pleasure. So they go to such peer named satanic scholars and pay them money to buy Allah's grace and favour through him.

Therefore all the peers are great satans, who trade in shirk.

:sl:
I believe this kind of peer found in India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan most. My family with me (very early age of mine) attached to one of this Peer (May Allah Grant forgiveness to my family and me). People use to go to them for their Salvations (Nauzubillah) People not cry to Allah first but go to their respected Peer for help (Shirk). People Believe they can do miracle (Shirk). People believe they can tell the future (Shirk). People give them money as they want to buy their salvations (Nauzubillah).
I have so many things to say. They are blinding people for to earn money nothing else. May Allah Save these poor people.
Summa Alhamdulillah I get rid of this dirt also makes my family and relative get rid of it.

[Snowflake]

^Alhumdulillah brother.

Sadly there's still too many people caught up in these false beliefs.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Assalamu Alaikum

its alright to seek the dua's of someone you hold to be righteous, but to think he knows the unseen and whatnot....

Allah explicitly has told us that no one but him knows al-ghayb! (the unseen)

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[Snowflake]

^ True.

Sadly some people believe that Allah only accepts the duaas of a 'peer' and that's not just in his lifetime but they also go to 'peers' graves and ask the dead peer to pray for them - or grant their wishes, na' udhu billah

And what about the shrines they build for them?

[i_m_tipu]

^ True.

Sadly some people believe that Allah only accepts the duaas of a 'peer' and that's not just in his lifetime but they also go to 'peers' graves and ask the dead peer to pray for them - or grant their wishes, na' udhu billah

And what about the shrines they build for them?

:sl:

Shirk

May Allah Save these poor people.

17(Al-Isra [Isra, The Night Journey, Children of Israel])

72 But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.

81 And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."

[M H Kahn]

I believe this kind of peer found in India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan most. My family with me (very early age of mine) attached to one of this Peer (May Allah Grant forgiveness to my family and me). People use to go to them for their Salvations (Nauzubillah) People not cry to Allah first but go to their respected Peer for help (Shirk). People Believe they can do miracle (Shirk). People believe they can tell the future (Shirk). People give them money as they want to buy their salvations (Nauzubillah).

Well described! May Allah guide us to the right path!
"And set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell, reproved, abandoned."[17:39]

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Your not supposed to build shrines. The Prophets(Saw) grave is sooooooooo plain, who is greater than the Rasool(saw)?

[Souljette]

:sl: sooo truu wit the peers mostly in asian countries omgg..when i was younger i went with my parents to bangladesh in the peer's place ..alhamdullah from a young age they would freak me out..nd you pay them i argued with my family that it's not rite and my brothers to this day argue with my uncles because they are big believers on that..It's shirk..my mom used to be like he'z the messenger between allah and us the peer.. now i'm grown up i'm like why do we need a person in the middle when we can directly talk to Allah subhana wa taalaa

[Snowflake]

^na udhu billah! yeh why don't people think that if we can pray salah directly to Allah then why can't we make duaa directly to Him without anyone interceding on our behalf. Grrr!

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

It's like what Christians do with their priests and all. Whats the difference between them when u do such a thing. Na audhubillah. Alhamdulillah my family knows its wrong. But ya Asian countries...its common =/

[Snowflake]

^Does it happen in the middle east as well? I thought it was just in Pak & India?

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Are you talking to me? :D lol cuz i dunno xD Im just referrin to like paki, india and all.

[aadil77]

:sl:

sadly this is common here in uk, leicester

- few days back I read a few pages of my little brothers 'islam denyiat' from his madressa, and it said that people should mension the names of 'peers' in their duas to earn Allahs blessing,
they should also visit the shrines and pray their so that they can ask Allah for whatever they want (astagfirrulah so shocking:omg:)

this was from the imam ahmed razah academy in south africa:raging:

some freaky stuff!

[Snowflake]

Are you talking to me? :D lol cuz i dunno xD Im just referrin to like paki, india and all.

nahhhhh I'm only talking to meself! :rollseyes

lol I was just asking anyone..

sadly this is common here in uk, leicester

- few days back I read a few pages of my little brothers 'islam denyiat' from his madressa, and it said that people should mension the names of 'peers' in their duas to earn Allahs blessing,
they should also visit the shrines and pray their so that they can ask Allah for whatever they want (astagfirrulah so shocking)

this was from the imam ahmed razah academy in south africa

whao tawba! I think your brother should change mosques ASAP!

Can anyone believe this? I heard people say that they have PERMISSION from their peer to do zikr!!!! Unbelievable!

[Souljette]

Ye it's so messed up..but some people don't know about the fact that it is rong so people have to let them know..if you know and do it then that's just sadd.nd i don't knw how ppl can go to them..dey luk so sick too mee ewww

[M H Kahn]

:sl: sooo truu wit the peers mostly in asian countries omgg..when i was younger i went with my parents to bangladesh in the peer's place ..alhamdullah from a young age they would freak me out..nd you pay them i argued with my family that it's not rite and my brothers to this day argue with my uncles because they are big believers on that..It's shirk..my mom used to be like he'z the messenger between allah and us the peer.. now i'm grown up i'm like why do we need a person in the middle when we can directly talk to Allah subhana wa taalaa

So basically there is no difference between a Bangladshi or Pakistani or Indian peer and the Feraun of the old, because the peers imply that they are a bridge between people and Allah. Thus all peers, despite all their saintly appearance and showy dedication for Islam, are traders in shirk and most detestable animals.

[Snowflake]

I heard this peer thing started in India when ignorant muslims started to imitate the hindus who asked pundits and swamis to pray for them etc. I can see the link.

[pauper]

:sl:

I wouldnt be so Quick in Judgment of anybody , Be sure who exactly you are calling Satanic peers and who exactly u are calling Mushrik , cause if you are mistaken , you have a lot to go Answer for .

Freinds OF Allah SWT



Hadeeth 38 : The Worship of Allaah is the Means of Attaining Nearness to Him and His Love
(d. 676 AH / 1299 CE)


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On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) who said : The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Verily Allaah ta'aalaa has said : Whosoever shows enmity to a walee (friend) of Mine, then I have declared war against him. And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him. And My servant continues to draw near to me with nawaafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him. When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him; and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge.


It was related by al-Bukhaaree


Explanation of Hadeeth Number 38 :
The author of al-Ifsaah said about this hadeeth from its understanding : Verily Allaah subhaanahu wa ta'aalaa has put aside all excuses from the one who shows enmity to a walee of His, and has declared that He shall War against him with the same enmity. And the walee of Allaah ta'aalaa is the one who follows that which Allaah has legislated. So let mankind be warned against harming the hearts of the awliyaa of Allaah, 'azza wa jall.
And I consider the meaning [of this hadeeth] as referring to the one who shows enmity to a walee due to the Friendship and Allegiance (Wilaayah) shown to him by Allaah. On the other hand, if the matter is such that it involves a dispute between two walees of Allaah in the form of a legal dispute or a quarrel, which is due to one of them trying to attain a right of his that is hidden from the other, then this does not enter into this hadeeth. And such disputes have occurred between Abu Bakr and 'Umar (radiAllaahu anhumaa), and between al-'Abbaas and 'Alee (radiAllaahu anhumaa), and similarly between many of the sahaabah, and all of them were awliyaa of Allaah.

And His - subhaanahu wa ta'aalaa - statement "And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him" contains a reference to the fact that we do not place the voluntary deeds (nawaafil) before the obligatory (faraa'id). And the 'nawaafil' are named as such because they are performed after the obligatory deeds have been completed; and if not then they are not given the name 'nawaafil'; and this is indicated by His statement "And My servant continues to draw near to me with nawaafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him", since attaining Nearness with the nawaafil occurs by what follows the completion of the faraa'id. So when the slave becomes persistent in seeking His Nearness through the nawaafil, then this causes Allaah 'azza wa jall to Love him.

Then He said "When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees" until the end of the hadeeth. Then this is a sign of the Wilaayah of Allaah, and its meaning is that he does not hear that which is not permitted for him to hear by the Sharee'ah, nor does he see that which is not permitted by the Sharee'ah, nor does he grasp with his hand that which is not permitted for him by the Sharee'ah, nor does he hasten with his legs towards anything except that which the Sharee'ah allows him to hasten towards. And all of this is the basis (asl) [of being Loved by Allaah]. But also, the Worshipper of Allaah may become so engrossed in the Dhikr of Allaah ta'aalaa that he becomes famous for that, and if another person, who is not from amongst those who Remember Allaah much, were to speak to him without mentioning the Dhikr of Allaah, then it would be as though he did not hear him; until the speaker approaches him with something from the Dhikr of Allaah. And similarly in the case of those things which are seen, and those things which are grasped, and those things towards which one walks. And this is a most noble characteristic, and we ask Allaah that He makes us from amongst its possessors.

And His statement "and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge" shows that even after the slave becomes from amongst the Beloved of Allaah, this does not prevent him from asking his Lord to satisfy his needs or seeking refuge in Him from those whom he fears. And Allaah ta'aalaa is able to give him what he desires before his asking Him for them, and to grant him refuge before he seeks it, but He subhaanahu becomes Near to His slaves through His giving those who ask Him, and His granting refuge to those who seek it from Him.

And Allaah knows best.

Summary :
That there are Muslims who are the Awliyaa (Friends) of Allaah
That one who is close to Allaah because of his piety and worship of Him, has Allaah as his Protector
That whoever makes a walee an enemy, actually earns the enmity of Allaah for himself
That one draws closer to Allaah by following the Sharee'ah, and by fulfilling the obligatory duties upon him
That a Muslim continues to draw closer to Him by performing voluntary acts of worship (nawaafil)
That ways and means not prescribed in the Sunnah will not help us in drawing closer to Allaah
That when a servant draws closer to Him, then Allaah Loves him, and then guides him in each moment of his life
an-Nawawi said that "I am his hearing ..." can mean "I safeguard his hearing from shaytaan"
That when a servant is Loved by Allaah, He fulfills his du'aa, and protects him from evil when he asks Him to do so

[Souljette]

All tht is fine and all but have you ever met peers by anychance..by just lukin at them you'll know sumthings up wit them..they take money from the people and then they put their hand on their head or wherever and strt sayin stuff nd dey lukk sooo weirdd..the guy i went to .his nails wer longggggg and they say he dint hv a stomach..nd i dnt knw how tru tht was bt he luked realll weirdd...these ppl who go to peers ask them to make du'a for them nd pay them as well nd tis is rng..it's shirk whn u take some1 as a messenger between u nd Allah we all ask ppl to make du'a bt dey dnt bcum messengers..whn sum1 does sumthng extraodinary in these asian countries dey bcum peers

[M H Kahn]

So can't we conclude that peers are sellers and their disciples are buyers of shirk?

[pauper]

So can't we conclude that peers are sellers and their disciples are buyers of shirk?

:sl:

People trying to make a quick $ , are all foney baloneys .

But we should not generalize, cause i am sure non of us want to fall under this :

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (radiAllaahu anhu) who said : The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) said :

Verily Allaah ta'aalaa has said : Whosoever shows enmity to a walee (friend) of Mine, then I have declared war against him. And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him. And My servant continues to draw near to me with nawaafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him. When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him; and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge.


It was related by al-Bukhaaree

[Souljette]

This is for all practicing muslims who follow the path of Allah (S.W.T) sincerely

[chacha_jalebi]

and also who do we know is a wali of Allah (Swt) like the famous wali of Allah (swt) are his Prophets (saw) and even Ibraheem (as) was named as khalil Allah (swt), because they are the real deals:D

so we dont know who is a real awliyah or who isnt, nowadays just because someone has a beard, and is claimin he knows "stuff" to cure people, people think he is a awliyah! so Allah hu alim, the Quraan and Sunnah, has all the cures, we dont need permission from anyone to read them, we can read them whenever we wanttt

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

:sl:

Ibn Taymiyyah has written probably the best book on the subject of Awliya wherein he has clarified much of the controversies regarding this topic.

http://www.islamicboard.com/aqeedah/...ies-devil.html

[pauper]

and also who do we know is a wali of Allah (Swt) like the famous wali of Allah (swt) are his Prophets (saw) and even Ibraheem (as) was named as khalil Allah (swt), because they are the real deals:D

so we dont know who is a real awliyah or who isnt, nowadays just because someone has a beard, and is claimin he knows "stuff" to cure people, people think he is a awliyah! so Allah hu alim, the Quraan and Sunnah, has all the cures, we dont need permission from anyone to read them, we can read them whenever we wanttt

:sl:

Exactly , so since we dont know we should not go around throwing the shirk accusation at people , and generalize .

+ awliyaa' of Allah SWT are all over the world , who they are exactly only Allah knows , but do not harm them , thats the main point .

You can read the Quran whenever you want , but you are not closer to Allah SWT than the Saaliheen , or do you believe all muslims are one rank Good and BAd ?

[Souljette]

I've seen the Peers and i've gone to them wit my rentz and i know that it's something wrong dere doing..it's too obvious...there are ppl who are Awliyaa of Allah (S.W.T) but you will know who they are and if you don't atleast you'll have an idea of it..but the people who take money frm u to make du'a for u nd who luk soo weird...they do not luk like dere doin sumthng rite nd 'm sure it's nt right

[pauper]

I've seen the Peers and i've gone to them wit my rentz and i know that it's something wrong dere doing..it's too obvious...there are ppl who are Awliyaa of Allah (S.W.T) but you will know who they are and if you don't atleast you'll have an idea of it..but the people who take money frm u to make du'a for u nd who luk soo weird...they do not luk like dere doin sumthng rite nd 'm sure it's nt right

:sl:

That is very true , but keep in mind that a Waliy of Allah SWT does not have to be some guy people flock to and makes du3aas for them .

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

Allahu a3lam

[Souljette]

:sl: yes brother i understand that point that's why i said that Awliya's are between us and we shouldn't judge people but people i know who are doing wrong ..i will say are doing wrong...cuz i can see it with my own two eyes ..you know that's why i don't believe in Peers being nythng bt a part of shirk

[M H Kahn]

Peers are professionals who sell so-called spiritual healing and thrilling to their disciples as well other clients. A peer has disciples who are to make an oath of allegiance to him. Peers are not friends of Allah. They are professionals who earn money by selling so-called spiritual healing and thrilling. None but a misguided can be a peer. All peers and their disciples are engaged in selling and buying shirk. Peerism is mushrikism.

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:sl:

That is very true , but keep in mind that a Waliy of Allah SWT does not have to be some guy people flock to and makes du3aas for them .

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

Allahu a3lam

:wasalamex

What exactly is the connection between the Awliyaa of Allaah and these peers, who are clearly exalting themselves above their station and abilities?

That ways and means not prescribed in the Sunnah will not help us in drawing closer to Allaah

Precisely.

[pauper]

Peers are professionals who sell so-called spiritual healing and thrilling to their disciples as well other clients. A peer has disciples who are to make an oath of allegiance to him. Peers are not friends of Allah. They are professionals who earn money by selling so-called spiritual healing and thrilling. None but a misguided can be a peer. All peers and their disciples are engaged in selling and buying shirk. Peerism is mushrikism.

Dont generalize , I am not sure what goes on in your Sub continent but Awliyaa Allah SWT for sure are their too , be careful who you point fingers at , it might come back at you ( in general not personal ) .

[Malaikah]

:sl:

What on earth is a peer? That's the first time I've heard of this.... I'm guessing this is a sub-continent kind of word?

[Souljette]

Ye Peers are people who are almost worshipped in the Asian countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh..they are called messengers between god and them and people go to these people to ask them to pray for them when calamities strike them.. and they also pay them..it's ridiculous but many people actually think that they are some kind of messenger

[------]

:salamext:

It can be anyone who is a saali7een , it can be your doctor , your mom , your dad , your brother , The garbage disposal worker who is muslim .

Thats why we should be careful who we judge .

You are right brother. May Allaah guide us into stop this pathetic habit of judging people, Astagfirullah la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

[Souljette]

No onez judging people here i don't judge any1...I understand where SIs Broken and Bro Pauper ur cuming frm but I'm not giving benefit of the doubt to people who throw it in my face and I have seen it with my own two eyes...I'm not ignorant..i wouldn't even comment on this issue if i didn't experience it myself.

[M H Kahn]

Dont generalize , I am not sure what goes on in your Sub continent but Awliyaa Allah SWT for sure are their too , be careful who you point fingers at , it might come back at you ( in general not personal ) .

:sl:
Peers are surely a new edition of the Pharaos. Such people are called peers who themselves declare that they have become friends of Allah and invite people to become their disciples by taking an oath of allegiance with them. They are self-declared friends of Allah! They imply that they have influence over Allah and able to do good to their disciples by their influence over Allah.

[i_m_tipu]

:sl:
Peers are surely a new edition of the Pharaos. Such people are called peers who themselves declare that they have become friends of Allah and invite people to become their disciples by taking an oath of allegiance with them. They are self-declared friends of Allah! They imply that they have influence over Allah and able to do good to their disciples by their influence over Allah.

well said

[north_malaysian]

:sl:

What on earth is a peer? That's the first time I've heard of this.... I'm guessing this is a sub-continent kind of word?

I am going to ask the same thing too...

I thought it's the English word "Peer".... :-[ but then it has word closer to God, take money etc...and I doubt it that everybody is talking about an English word...

[north_malaysian]

Ye Peers are people who are almost worshipped in the Asian countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh..they are called messengers between god and them and people go to these people to ask them to pray for them when calamities strike them.. and they also pay them..it's ridiculous but many people actually think that they are some kind of messenger

So it's kinda Muslim version of Hindu Holy Men?

[north_malaysian]

In Malaysia, some Muslims (like 0.1% of us) visit certain "saint" tombs and put some flowers and recite dua there... but it just that...and the religious authorities are doing a good job in eradicating the practice.

But the people in the sub-continent they not only reciting dua and put flowers there...they even put colourful clothes on it plus...singing, clapping hands etc.... are these practice have something to do about Hinduism too...

Sorry, if my question annoyed any bros and sis from the sub-continent...just being curious...

[Qadri]

No onez judging people here i don't judge any1...I understand where SIs Broken and Bro Pauper ur cuming frm but I'm not giving benefit of the doubt to people who throw it in my face and I have seen it with my own two eyes...I'm not ignorant..i wouldn't even comment on this issue if i didn't experience it myself.

I would just like to advice you to read up on Hazarat Musa (pbuh) and his travels with Hazarat Hider (pbuh) ...

I personally agree 100% with what brother pauper has been saying in this thread ... brothers/sisters have to realise not to generalise when discussing such matters ... first thing is who are we to judge others ... Allah (swt) hasnt given permission to anyone to do this .... "shirk" is one of the highest sins in Islam basically because it is born from Niyat (intention) ... niyat is between Allah and the individual only ... you cannot judge someone for where they go or what they do because you can NEVER know what their niyat is.

[Hamayun]

Do you know what? I read the thread and thought it made no sense.

I was thinking "peers" as in peers at school, as in "peer pressure" lol :D

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

"shirk" is one of the highest sins in Islam basically because it is born from Niyat (intention) ... niyat is between Allah and the individual only ... you cannot judge someone for where they go or what they do because you can NEVER know what their niyat is.

:sl: Brother,

Referring to the intention in these matters is a weak argument.

The word Talaq is an explicit statement of divorce, and if its said even jokingly, the wife is divorced. The man cannot then go and say that: "I only intended it allegorically, whereas my intention was not to divorce her". Likewise, when one makes a clear statement of shirk, such as "Oh Shaykh Fulan, aid me!", its still shirk, regardless of the intention. His claim that he intended something else holds no water.

[north_malaysian]

I was thinking "peers" as in peers at school, as in "peer pressure" lol :D

that what I was thinking

[Mujahidah4Allah]

:sl:

i think this whole thread is pointless... minus the ahadeeth which have been mentioned...

wa/salam