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Iftikhar
Honour Killing
Forced marriage, honour killing and genital mutilation are rare practices among migrant communities.
Oh, really? I must be living on a different planet to you seeing that majority of forced marriages and honour killings are common practices among migrant communities, especially South Asians. White English people (the ethnic majority of this country) are, in general, individualistic and hold personal happiness to be of great importance. You don't see forced marriages or honour killings being common amongst such communities.
Muslim migrants are worried about institutional racism, binge drinking, drug addiction, incivility, gun and knife crimes, high rate of abortions and teen age pregnancies. An average of 20 English girls under the age of 16 falls pregnant every day. Muslim parents do not want their children to be integrated into such barbarity.
Majority of people in this country, be they migrants, Muslim or non-Muslim, are worried about all the things you just listed and lots of Muslim youth engage in such practices also. Blame the state of society as a whole, if you like, but don't try to paint a picture of how Muslim parents are the only parents who want the best for their children and non-Muslim parents are somehow proud of their children for engaging in such 'barbarity'.
Muslim women feel torn between two cultures, thanks to the British education system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. It makes their lives very confusing.
Could you please elaborate?
The tragedy of forced marriage and honour killing could have been avoided if the poor girls were educated in a single sex state funded Muslim schools by female Muslim teachers.
Forced marriages and honour killings are not a result of being educated in a non-Muslim environment rather the backward mentality of culture driven parents. I don't see how sending girls to a Muslim school will somehow solve this problem.
Educational attainment rises quite significantly if boys and girls are educated separately.
You're simplifying the casual relationship you've identified. Boys and girls educated separately in a school where the teaching standards aren't up to scratch wouldn't do as well as being educated in a co-ed with excellent teaching staff.
The tragedies are an eye opener for all those Muslim parents who send their children to state schools where they are exposed to non-Muslim teachers who have no respect for Islamic faith and Muslim community and do not understand the needs and demands of the Muslim children.
Excuse me? Why are you berating teachers simply because they are not Muslim? I know plenty of non-Muslim teachers who respect all beliefs and ethnic groups and do their best to understand all children. Muslim children are not alien to the same needs and wants as other children; they both need love, care and attention.
Muslim schools are crucial for Muslim children because western education makes a man/woman stupid.
This is by fair the most hilarous statement yet. How does western education make people 'stupid'? Thousands of successful, well-educated Muslims came through the Western education system and no one would propose that they are 'stupid'. You do little justice to millions who benefit from the western education system.
The hypocrisy of the Western society is clearly seen whereas an Australian Judge failed to jail nine males who admitted gang-raping a 10-year old aborigine girl in 2005, saying the victim probably agreed to have sex with them and a UNICEF Photo of the year shows, a bridegroom, 40, with his 11-year old bride in Afghanistan. In my opinion, a UNICEF photo of the year must show a nine year British girl having a baby and another photo showing a gang of teenage girls with anti-social behaviour and vomiting out side a pub, thanks to binge drinking.
Hold on.
1- The case of the girl who was raped does not mean that Western society, as a whole, is hypocritic rather the judge in that particular case had a few screws loose. Lots of people in the West condemned the judges ruling. Therefore, your point regarding the UNICEF photograph of the year is neither here nor there.
2- 9 year old British girls do have babies, gangs of teenage girls do engage in anti-social behaviour and many teenagers do binge drink. However, majority of the country is not condoning such behaviour and you'll find that many parents, be they Muslim or non-Muslim, are united in condemning such practices and are as unhappy as you to see such affairs.
Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.
You don't have to be a Muslim to stand as a good role model for children so don't imply that teachers who are not Muslim and teaching in non-Muslim schools are somehow preventing Muslim children from flourishing into stable, young adults society can be proud of.
Muslim schools are the solutions and not a problem. They help to strengthen community cohesion, not undermine it.
Muslim schools certainly do have their advantages however do not ignore the negative aspects of them in your haste to hold them up as 'beacons of light'. Muslim schools popping up everywhere can be seen to be extremely separatist and can do little to strengthen community cohesion. When talking of community cohesion and social harmony, you can not simply choose to look at the benefits something has for a particular group in society; you have to look at what a particular action means for a community as a whole.
Muslim schools stand as shining beacons of light, serving as one of the most crucial factors which protect Muslim children from the onslaught of Eurocentricism, homosexuality, racism and secular values and traditions.
So, after Muslim children have been educated at a Muslim school, what do you propose they do? Serve only Muslims and engage in the advancement of the Muslim community alone? The last thing we need is for people to create their own little ghettos.
You want to replace 'eurocentrism' with 'islam-centrism'? How is that any better? Lots of secular values are not strange to Islam; the respect for human life and personal property being one.
You can't walk around in your personal little 'Muslim bubble' and slate everybody who does not hold the same views as you.
They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time they need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
I don't see why they 'must be well versed' in a language that many no longer speak or 'keep in touch with cultural roots' they no longer identify themselves with. However, the main point to be made here is that sending children to a non-Muslim school does not mean they will lose their 'cultural roots' and 'community languages.' There are lots of social agencies which promote the things you are scared will perish, in society today, with more and more emerging to cater for the needs of our multi-cultural society as we speak.
Muslim schools are not only faith schools but also bilingual schools. Infact, bilingualism is an asset and not a problem as perceived by the British education system.
If the British education system perceived bilingualism as a problem then many schools would not be promoting foreign languages and specialist language schools would not be flourishing, yet they are.
The silent majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools but there are not enough schools to go by.
According to whom? Have you conducted a large scale social survey to come to make that conclusion?
The only alternative left is either British Government should introduce voucher system for parents to choose the school of their choice or designate all those state schools as Muslim community schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslims are in majority. Such schools may be handed over to Muslim educational Trusts or charities for their management. They are in a better position to educate Muslim children in accordance with their needs and demands.
And what is to happen to the non-Muslim children in a majority Muslim area if the state school in their area becomes a Muslim community school? You do not seem to care about the welfare of all children, just Muslim children.
This demand is in accordance with the law of the land because there are state schools already managed by private companies. Muslim community is not asking for a favour. It is their legal right.
How is it?
If the poll on your own website is anything to go by, majority of the people do not think that we should have more Muslim schools.