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TrueBeliever
11-23-2005, 07:40 AM
The Myth of 786:coolious:
The history of numerology, complex as it is, can be traced to the ancient civilisations of Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Greece and India. This ancient art of numerology went hand in hand with the development of mathematics, geometry and trigonometry. One man who contributed most to this art was Pythagoras. In his view, all things can be expressed in numerical terms because all the science of Gematria. The Qabalist Gemetria is based on the combination of magic and philosophy which centred on twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet and its corresponding numbers to discover hidden meaning in the Scripture by interchanging Hebrew words whose letters have the same numerical value when added.

Some Muslim theological adventurers who called it ABJAD borrowed this science of Gemetria. Thomas Patrick Hughes, in his Dictionary of Islaam, explains ABJAD as "The name of an arithmetical arrangement of the alphabets; the letters of which have different powers from one to one thousand. It is in order of the alphabets as used by the Jews as far as 400 AD, then six remaining letters being added by Arabians.".........
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01-18-2008, 01:50 PM
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Can someone explain this in simple english please?
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chacha_jalebi
01-18-2008, 03:14 PM
^ dont understand lol but using 786 as a replacement for bismillah is wrong!!
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Pk_#2
01-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM
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Can someone explain this in simple english please?
He said, it is 3 letters joined together to make seven hundred and eighty six,

And the Mongolians discovered it, or sutin like that

Peace out blaaad.
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01-18-2008, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by chacha_jalebi
^ dont understand lol but using 786 as a replacement for bismillah is wrong!!
:salamext:

Why?
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Pk_#2
01-18-2008, 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by AhLÄÄM
:salamext:

Why?
Bismillah is Bismillah, you don't need random numbers proving that?! Islam is simple not about numbers and !"$%^&( get me?

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
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01-18-2008, 05:45 PM
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i didnt really understand in the first post as to how 786 is related in islamic terms..

is 786 suppossed to represent Bismillah? i mean.. is that the myth? that the numbers correspond to meaning the word?
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AvarAllahNoor
01-18-2008, 05:53 PM
The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19

Sura 1 is God's gift to us to establish contact with Him through the daily Contact Prayers. This fact is supported by an earth-shattering, simple-to-understand-but- impossible-to-imitate mathematical composition that challenges the greatest mathematicians on earth, and stumps them; it is far beyond human capabilities:

(The sura number, followed by the numbers of verses, next to each other, give 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.

Verse #
#of Letters]
Gemetrical Value

1
19
786
2
17
581
3
12
618
4
11
241
5
19
836
6
18
1072
7
43
6009

Total
139
10143

If we substitute the number of letters per verse in place of verse numbers, we get 1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43. This number is also a multiple of 19.

If we insert the total gematrical value of every verse, we get 1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009. This number is a multiple of 19.

The number shown above includes all parameters of Sura 1, and consists of 38 digits (19x2).

It is noteworthy that this 38-digit number is still divisible by 19 when we write its components backward, from right to left as practiced by the Arabs. Thus, 6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1 is also a multiple of 19.

The mathematical representations mentioned above participate in numerous extraordinary mathematical phenomena to confirm all details of the five daily Contact Prayers
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chacha_jalebi
01-18-2008, 07:35 PM
^ look how long that was lol

isnt it jus easier "bismillah" :D
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ikaj
01-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19

Sura 1 is God's gift to us to establish contact with Him through the daily Contact Prayers. This fact is supported by an earth-shattering, simple-to-understand-but- impossible-to-imitate mathematical composition that challenges the greatest mathematicians on earth, and stumps them; it is far beyond human capabilities:

(The sura number, followed by the numbers of verses, next to each other, give 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. This number is a multiple of 19.

Verse #
#of Letters]
Gemetrical Value

1
19
786
2
17
581
3
12
618
4
11
241
5
19
836
6
18
1072
7
43
6009

Total
139
10143

If we substitute the number of letters per verse in place of verse numbers, we get 1 19 17 12 11 19 18 43. This number is also a multiple of 19.

If we insert the total gematrical value of every verse, we get 1 19 786 17 581 12 618 11 241 19 836 18 1072 43 6009. This number is a multiple of 19.

The number shown above includes all parameters of Sura 1, and consists of 38 digits (19x2).

It is noteworthy that this 38-digit number is still divisible by 19 when we write its components backward, from right to left as practiced by the Arabs. Thus, 6009 43 1072 18 836 19 241 11 618 12 581 17 786 19 1 is also a multiple of 19.

The mathematical representations mentioned above participate in numerous extraordinary mathematical phenomena to confirm all details of the five daily Contact Prayers
do sikhs read the Quran?
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AvarAllahNoor
01-18-2008, 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by ikaj
Do sikhs read the Quran?
Yes, if they want to learn about other religions...:D
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Pk_#2
01-18-2008, 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by ikaj
do sikhs read the Quran?
They believe in Allah, God, The One and Only,

Their holy book is the Guru Granth Saheb I think, sorry if I am wrong,

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
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Ibn Abi Ahmed
01-18-2008, 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor
The first verse in the Quran represents the foundation upon which a superhuman 19-based mathematical miracle is built. This important statement consists of 19 Arabic letters, and every word in it occurs in the whole Quran in multiples of 19
This is the garbage [literally] that led to the deviance of the hadith-rejectors and their leader who allegedly discovered the number '19' "miracle". There is no numerical miracle '19' in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an was revealed for the purpose of guiding mankind, not so mankind can find a numerical "miracle" that is non-existent. The miracle of the Qur'an is in it's language such that no human can ever produce such literary perfection.
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AvarAllahNoor
01-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Originally Posted by Happy
They believe in Allah, God, The One and Only,

Their holy book is the Guru Granth Sahib I think, sorry if I am wrong,

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.
Spot on! :okay:
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AFDAL
01-18-2008, 10:08 PM
No one can use 786 in place of BISHMILLAHI RAHMANIR RAHIM.
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