Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
Narrated Anas:
When 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle" Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel has just now told me of their answers." 'Abdullah said, "He (i.e. Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." Allah's Apostle said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her." On that 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that you are the Apostle of Allah." 'Abdullah bin Salam further said, "O Allah's Apostle! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me." The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and 'Abdullah went inside the house. Allah's Apostle asked (the Jews), "What kind of man is 'Abdullah bin Salam amongst you?" They replied, "He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us." Allah's Apostle said, "What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?" The Jews said, "May Allah save him from it." Then 'Abdullah bin Salam came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him.
I am talking about the BOLDED part of the Hadith. Is this true??
Lol...
Sorry for spamming.. As for the question, I don't think the time of "discharge" has any effect on whom the child will resemble.
Besides, a child can resemble both the mother and the father equally, although that could mean the parents discharged at the same time.. And what about the children who resemble neither of their parents? Could it be, that none of them discharged? I don't think so...
now now whats the pointyyy, are we causing trouble, are we? are we? whats the point, does that ring a bellformat_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Lol...
Sorry for spamming.. As for the question, I don't think the time of "discharge" has any effect on whom the child will resemble.
Besides, a child can resemble both the mother and the father equally, although that could mean the parents discharged at the same time.. And what about the children who resemble neither of their parents? Could it be, that none of them discharged? I don't think so...
now the hadiths . . .
what happens, is people cant find mistakes in the Quraan, so now they run and try to do it from the hadiths, pssssssh and they will still never be succesful muhahahahaa haa haa
now
always read hadiths in arabic aswell as english & have a trustworthy dictionary
the word used in the hadiths when it says the discharge happens first is, sabaqa means 2 thing, - to come ahead, or to overcome like to over take something, and the original word sabaq means like powerful, i.e superman
so basically the hadiths originally means the one with more dominant genes, will effect the baby, not exactly as its been translated that who discharges first, it means if the womans discharge is more greater then the man then the baby will be like the woman, and vice versa
i hope that explains it
erm next
Last edited by chacha_jalebi; 02-22-2008 at 06:48 PM.
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!SMILE
sperm undergoes certain changes ONLY AFTER it's inside female tracts.
So these changes might include strengthening of sperm DNA to overwhelm/dominate ovum genes.
Science is always discovering new facts, future might prove this Hadees to be correct. InshAllah.
... Or maybe it is da'eef?
^^ i dont think it's da'eef
Oh, thank you very much for the explanation. It really helps.format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebinow now whats the pointyyy, are we causing trouble, are we? are we? whats the point, does that ring a bell
now the hadiths . . .
what happens, is people cant find mistakes in the Quraan, so now they run and try to do it from the hadiths, pssssssh and they will still never be succesful muhahahahaa haa haa
now
always read hadiths in arabic aswell as english & have a trustworthy dictionary
the word used in the hadiths when it says the discharge happens first is, sabaqa means 2 thing, - to come ahead, or to overcome like to over take something, and the original word sabaq means like powerful, i.e superman
so basically the hadiths originally means the one with more dominant genes, will effect the baby, not exactly as its been translated that who discharges first, it means if the womans discharge is more greater then the man then the baby will be like the woman, and vice versa
i hope that explains it
erm next
Lol, you're a laugh!format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebinow now whats the pointyyy, are we causing trouble, are we? are we? whats the point, does that ring a bell
now the hadiths . . .
what happens, is people cant find mistakes in the Quraan, so now they run and try to do it from the hadiths, pssssssh and they will still never be succesful muhahahahaa haa haa
now
always read hadiths in arabic aswell as english & have a trustworthy dictionary
the word used in the hadiths when it says the discharge happens first is, sabaqa means 2 thing, - to come ahead, or to overcome like to over take something, and the original word sabaq means like powerful, i.e superman
so basically the hadiths originally means the one with more dominant genes, will effect the baby, not exactly as its been translated that who discharges first, it means if the womans discharge is more greater then the man then the baby will be like the woman, and vice versa
i hope that explains it
erm next
A muslim posted it, not I.
the hadith does not speak of genes. The ability of msulims to change every dann thing in the Quran into a miracle amuses me.
Hmmmm....It might.format_quote Originally Posted by sur
Which parent's genes will dominate the majority of the child's genes depends on different factors, mainly the genes of the sperm cell (which are not determined in the female tracts), the genes of the ovum and the dominance/recesiveness of those genes. And what matters is which sperm comes first.. and many other things, so, yes, it might.
Last edited by Whatsthepoint; 02-23-2008 at 11:27 AM.
hopefully this will help. Read it carefully, please.
Question: I came across a statement in the Sunnah wherein the Prophet (peace be upon him) says: “Yes indeed. A man’s fluid is thick and white and a women’s fluid is thin and yellow. Whichever of the two ejaculates first will be the one the child would resemble.” Does a woman does actually ejaculate? And isn’t resemblance based on genetic make-up and not on which partner ejaculates first?
Answered by Sheikh Sulaymân al-`Îsâ, professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh
This is an important question requiring a detailed answer.
The first part of the question regards whether a woman releases a fluid during sexual intercourse the same as a man does. We say if the hadîth is authentic, then it is true and it should be accepted. The hadîth you have mentioned is related in Sahîh Muslim and is of undoubted authenticity.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) states in the hadîth that women has a fluid that is thin and yellow.
Allah says about his Prophet (peace be upon him): “Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire, it is no less than inspiration sent down to him” [Sûrah al-Najm: 3-4]
This issue was discussed by Dr. Muhammad `Ali al-Bârr in his book Human Creation between Medicine and the Qur’an under the heading “Does the woman release a fluid” (page 149).
He writes:
This had been a matter of disagreement. Sheikh al-Fakhr al-Râzî in his wonderful book, al-Mabâhith al-Mashriqiyyah, mentions that Aristotle denied that women have a fluid. Then Galen, the prominent Greek doctor strongly criticized Aristotle for that and proved that women have a fluid that differs in its nature from the fluid of men. It does not come out as an ejaculation but flows on the member and is a white moisture.
Al-Râzî then mentions that Umm Sulaym came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allah, Allah does not shy from the truth. Must a woman have a bath if she has has a sexual release while sleeping?”
He replied: “Yes, if she sees the fluid.” [Sahîh Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
The release of fluid from woman’s vagina is something natural. It takes place during sexual intercourse or while sleeping. It is obligatory for her to have a bath thereafter. During sexual intercourse the woman’s fluid mixes with the man’s.
Dr. al-Bârr continues:
The woman releases two types of fluid. The first is a sticky fluid that flows inside her vagina and has nothing to do with the creation of the fetus. The second is a liquid that is released at a single occasion from the Graafian follicle in the ovary when the follicle is full of a yellow liquid.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The man’s fluid is white and woman’s is yellow.”
Turning our attention to the child resembling one of its parents, this is also confirmed by the prophetic hadîth. The child may sometimes resemble his father, his mother, one of his uncles, his grandparents, or he may closely resemble none of them.
Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, in the same book (page 164) writes:
In brief, the factors governing the child’s resembling one parent, grandparent, or even coming with new attributes that do not belong to any of his relatives – like what happened at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) when al-Farâzî’s wife gave birth to a black baby while none of their relatives were black – is a very complicated matter. Genetics plays a very complicated role. Some of these genes follow the Mendelian model with respect to dominant and recessive genes and others do not.I have given you the answer of Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, because this is an important issue and I found his answer to be sufficient.
Even those genes that submit to such laws might at times not act in accordance with those laws. The gene may or may not be fully expressed.
Modern medicine is still ignorant of many of the determining factors that bring about how much a child will resemble either of its parents. Until now, we do not know the role that may be played by the release of one fluid before the other in how the child will resemble one of his parents. Until and unless this is decisively determined in the future, we have no other choice but to simply believe what our Prophet (peace be upon him) said. He does not say anything except the truth.
In fact, this should encourage medical scholars to investigate these matters and discover new things.
We have to believe in what Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) tell us. We are certain of the fact that Allah says: “Of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ’: 85]
And Allah knows best.
http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=31
It would be great if someone provided a literal translation of the entire bolded part of the hadith.format_quote Originally Posted by chacha_jalebialways read hadiths in arabic aswell as english & have a trustworthy dictionary
the word used in the hadiths when it says the discharge happens first is, sabaqa means 2 thing, - to come ahead, or to overcome like to over take something, and the original word sabaq means like powerful, i.e superman
It's interesting to see different opinions withing Islam. Chachy provided a different one, a quite different one... not only different in interpretation, different in matters of language.format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
hopefully this will help. Read it carefully, please.
Question: I came across a statement in the Sunnah wherein the Prophet (peace be upon him) says: “Yes indeed. A man’s fluid is thick and white and a women’s fluid is thin and yellow. Whichever of the two ejaculates first will be the one the child would resemble.” Does a woman does actually ejaculate? And isn’t resemblance based on genetic make-up and not on which partner ejaculates first?
Answered by Sheikh Sulaymân al-`Îsâ, professor at al-Imâm University in Riyadh
This is an important question requiring a detailed answer.
The first part of the question regards whether a woman releases a fluid during sexual intercourse the same as a man does. We say if the hadîth is authentic, then it is true and it should be accepted. The hadîth you have mentioned is related in Sahîh Muslim and is of undoubted authenticity.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) states in the hadîth that women has a fluid that is thin and yellow.
Allah says about his Prophet (peace be upon him): “Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire, it is no less than inspiration sent down to him” [Sûrah al-Najm: 3-4]
This issue was discussed by Dr. Muhammad `Ali al-Bârr in his book Human Creation between Medicine and the Qur’an under the heading “Does the woman release a fluid” (page 149).
He writes:
This had been a matter of disagreement. Sheikh al-Fakhr al-Râzî in his wonderful book, al-Mabâhith al-Mashriqiyyah, mentions that Aristotle denied that women have a fluid. Then Galen, the prominent Greek doctor strongly criticized Aristotle for that and proved that women have a fluid that differs in its nature from the fluid of men. It does not come out as an ejaculation but flows on the member and is a white moisture.
Al-Râzî then mentions that Umm Sulaym came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allah, Allah does not shy from the truth. Must a woman have a bath if she has has a sexual release while sleeping?”
He replied: “Yes, if she sees the fluid.” [Sahîh Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
The release of fluid from woman’s vagina is something natural. It takes place during sexual intercourse or while sleeping. It is obligatory for her to have a bath thereafter. During sexual intercourse the woman’s fluid mixes with the man’s.
Dr. al-Bârr continues:
The woman releases two types of fluid. The first is a sticky fluid that flows inside her vagina and has nothing to do with the creation of the fetus. The second is a liquid that is released at a single occasion from the Graafian follicle in the ovary when the follicle is full of a yellow liquid.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The man’s fluid is white and woman’s is yellow.”
Turning our attention to the child resembling one of its parents, this is also confirmed by the prophetic hadîth. The child may sometimes resemble his father, his mother, one of his uncles, his grandparents, or he may closely resemble none of them.
Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, in the same book (page 164) writes:
In brief, the factors governing the child’s resembling one parent, grandparent, or even coming with new attributes that do not belong to any of his relatives – like what happened at the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) when al-Farâzî’s wife gave birth to a black baby while none of their relatives were black – is a very complicated matter. Genetics plays a very complicated role. Some of these genes follow the Mendelian model with respect to dominant and recessive genes and others do not.I have given you the answer of Dr. Muhammad al-Bârr, because this is an important issue and I found his answer to be sufficient.
Even those genes that submit to such laws might at times not act in accordance with those laws. The gene may or may not be fully expressed.
Modern medicine is still ignorant of many of the determining factors that bring about how much a child will resemble either of its parents. Until now, we do not know the role that may be played by the release of one fluid before the other in how the child will resemble one of his parents. Until and unless this is decisively determined in the future, we have no other choice but to simply believe what our Prophet (peace be upon him) said. He does not say anything except the truth.
In fact, this should encourage medical scholars to investigate these matters and discover new things.
We have to believe in what Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) tell us. We are certain of the fact that Allah says: “Of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you.” [Sûrah al-Isrâ’: 85]
And Allah knows best.
http://islamtoday.com/show_detail_se...main_cat_id=31
:smile:
Yeh, I'm not quite sure what chacha_jalebi based his post on... maybe if he could clarify. I personally don't see how genetics can be extrapolated from the hadith.
Do you spak Arabic? Could you find the ahdith in arabic and translate it (the part about children).format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah
My Arabic isn't strong enough, and I wouldn't know where to find it anyway... maybe chacha can...
Any thinking of a person does not matter, what the medical science statement regarding these?format_quote Originally Posted by WhatsthepointLol...
Sorry for spamming.. As for the question, I don't think the time of "discharge" has any effect on whom the child will resemble.
Besides, a child can resemble both the mother and the father equally, although that could mean the parents discharged at the same time.. And what about the children who resemble neither of their parents? Could it be, that none of them discharged? I don't think so...
Brother danianul welcome to the forum! now as in the hadith I think you might get some characteristics from your grandparents which are a part of your parents DNA so that's is why some people end up looking like their grandparents/earlier generations/relatives
And Allah (swt) knows best
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