is christianity blasphemy against God ?

I'd say Christianity is indeed a transgression against God, but unfortunately for you, you're barking up the wrong tree. You should take this out with the Iranian Govt. where they practice their own brand of Islam and kill traditional Muslims for preaching. I'd say it is a gimmick on both ends so not sure what you're hoping for here?

best,

over 1 million Iranians have been executed by the US for being Muslim. many, many thousand Afghans have have been executed by US for being Muslims. Israel slaughters Palestinians for being Muslim.

where is your outrage?

Iraq is not Muslim. it is Shii'a.

but you are still talking about 1 guy.

maybe if you write to President Obama, he can give you the names of all the Muslims that he has ordered killed.

then, one by one, you can write him a letter asking why he ordered each one of them killed because they are Muslim.

when you have received your answers, come back and ask this question again. maybe we will feel like trying to find the answer then.

until then,

peace

format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor

over 1 million Iranians have been executed by the US for being Muslim. many, many thousand Afghans have have been executed by US for being Muslims. Israel slaughters Palestinians for being Muslim.

where is your outrage?

Iraq is not Muslim. it is Shii'a.

but you are still talking about 1 guy.

maybe if you write to President Obama, he can give you the names of all the Muslims that he has ordered killed.

then, one by one, you can write him a letter asking why he ordered each one of them killed because they are Muslim.

when you have received your answers, come back and ask this question again. maybe we will feel like trying to find the answer then.

until then,

peace

Ditto that.. hopefully our new visitor will reflect on these wise words and find an appropriate medium to vent out his ire.

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

i was reccomended here by a friend in islam because the site i was going to was not a good site for knowldge in islam. but based on your reactions id only have to assume christianity is punishable by death. you are one the worst representatives of islam i have ever seen on the internet besides the "jihad jihad jihadists" that are actually zionist's.shame on you. shame on you.

your country, and mine, punishes Muslims by death. by the hundreds of thousands.

we have no control over Iraqi government.

i would like to know why this 1 man is more important to you, in a situation beyond our control, than the many, many hundreds of thousands being murdered because they are Muslim?

it seems like a fair, logical question.

apostasy, can at times be treated as treason. if an American moved to Afghanistan after he became Muslim, President Obama will send a drone to kill him without a trial.

please tell me why in Shii'ite Iraq, someone gets a trial, but America affords no trial. why? which, in your opinion is worse?

i don't see a post with all caps. i definitely don't see the "J" word in my posts.

if you are seeking knowledge about Islam, i can tell you

all heartfelt and true thankfulness and praise is due the One True God, Who is the Only One worthy of Praise. He is the Creator, Provider, Cherisher, Sustainer and Healer of all that has been created. He is the Owner of the Day of Judgment. to Him alone, do we give worship and to Him alone to we seek guidance and assistance.

the He that we use for the One True God is gender neutral. God is not a him. He alone has His attributes and there in none like Him. He is Eternal. He is neither someone's offspring, nor does He have offspring.

is there something more about Islam you would like to know?

peace

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

well first of all YOUR bad attitude.

Are we going by your standards?
these standards?

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

you are one the worst representatives of islam

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

haha your trolling me

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

"jihad jihad jihadists

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shame on you

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second of all YOUR trolling me

in what way are we trolling you?

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

if you cannot handle these types of questions then leave them alone entirely least someone getst he wrong idea.

We've taken care of your queries in the appropriate manner, we can't be faulted if you don't like the replies given or are looking for one particular type of reply!

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

i forgive you. in gods love

Your 'forgivness' and/or approval means zero to nil to me but does showcase the paranoid schizophrenic personalities that many christians seem to have!

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

now please if you cannot answer a question intelligently and with scriptral evidence then please stop posting hate on my topic and going outside of topic into other things that this topic is not supposed to be about.

If you want to look up the laws of Apostacy you can visit our useful index thread, there's no point derailing us in a side query that has to do with a sovereign nation or their particular laws!

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if you continue to flame i will ignore you.

We'll have to hold you to that promise!

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

is christianity punishable by death by sunni muslim standards in a muslim court or in other words a court based in sharria law

Given that many Christians live in Muslim countries I am not sure where you get the balls to ask such a Q. Do you live in a bubble or enjoy drawing satisfaction out of overly simplistic conclusions?


best,

brother, let me give you some advice on the dear Sister.

if every single Muslim male had the fire and love in his heart for Islam as she does, and used that love to conform to the manners of our beloved Prophet, pbuh, there would be no need for Paradise in the afterlife. we would have it here.

a Muslim point of view is VERY different than you might imagine. you can only imagine a world ruled by Muslims, NOT Islam. Islam is a thing of wonder and beauty. as Muslims, we are unfit to show you it's real Glory.

Jesus, pbuh, left this planet at a young age. if you ever wondered what he would be like if the whole world was out to kill him, learn about Muhammad,pbuh, in his time in Mecca. if you wondered what he would be like as a human head of state, learn about Muhammad, bpuh, in Medina.

the similarities are amazing!

it might help you if you consider Christianity in the time of the reformation. millions of people having the same religion yet killing each other by the thousands because their views differed. it is not the same state, but it feels pretty close.

you must attempt to view many Muslims in the light that they are reacting to atrocities committed by the west. they may react incorrectly, but none of their doings are, by any means, of the enormity that that the west does.

like i stressed earlier, in shii'a Iraq, there is a trial. WE kill without trial. is either just? should Muslims want to be ruled by the west? AT LEAST in Iraq, you get a trial.

can you see the point i am making?

peace

format_quote Originally Posted by hageos

just curios is there an ignore button or some kind of equivalent on this site ?

I don't know if the ignore function is available to new members (you become a full member at 50 posts), but to ignore other posters, try clicking on their linked name on the top left of the post, which should take you into their profile. Then click 'Add to Ignore list'.

Welcome to the forum, anyway.
You may find that your question is quite a tricky one to ask. As Skye said, this is a question for the Iranian government.

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brother, our western media is *****.

i see you are in Texas, let me post a few vids by my favorite journalists. your first reaction might be "omg, she's a commie pinko nutjob"
BUT, people are flocking to be interviewed by her because she is, at least, fearless:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_g2SXWH95M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKsCRIV3Mtc













most of those are short. please take a peek.

peace

Greetings Hageos,how you are doing Man?

I've found something for you:

In order to understand this issue, we need to examine the Islamic law on apostasy. Since religion is looked on as a personal affair in western society, the notion of state intervention in one's personal choice would naturally seem excessive. However, from the Islamic perspective, a number of points must be observed with regard to apostasy:

1. Islam has never compelled anyone to accept the religion. Anyone who becomes a Muslim does so purely through objective study of the religion. As Allah has informed us in the Qur'an:

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.
10:99 So would you (O Muhammad) then compel people to become believers?

Likewise, Islam encourages its followers to reflect and contemplate upon the universe around us and to ponder over the beauty of the Qur'anic message:

47:24 Do they not ponder over the Qur'an or are their hearts locked up?

51:20-21. And on earth are signs for those endowed with inner-certainty; and [likewise there are signs] in yourselves, do you not observe?

29:20 Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.

Thus, Islam requires that one's faith be constructed upon logical investigation and study of the universe in which we live. Through logical contemplation, one realizes the supreme authority of the Creator and the veracity of Muhammad's (saws) claim to prophethood. Thus we find that, in the history of Islam, no knowledgeable Muslim has ever left Islam. The only cases we find of former Muslims are people who were never practicing Muslims in the first place, nor did they ever have a good understanding of Islam. Yet on the other hand, the list of educated converts to Islam is immense, and it includes educated leaders such as priests, rabbis and atheists.

2. Those who have left Islam have historically fallen under three categories: those who left having never properly understood the religion often due to social circumstances, those who faked a conversion into Islam in order to undermine the Islamic community from within, and those who left to support opposing forces in battle against the Muslims. Because of the first category, Islam requires that the person who has chosen to forsake the religion be consulted with in order that his doubts may be clarified to him if there is any specific issue of confusion, or so that he may learn the proper Islamic teachings that he may otherwise have not been exposed to. As for the second and third category, this was the original reason behind the Prophet's statement on apostasy. The Qur'an records (3:72) that the Jews of Madinah decided to initiate the practice of pretending to accept Islam and then publicly declare their rejection of it, so as to destroy the confidence of the newly-converted Muslims. Thus, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh ruled that a punishment should be announced so that those who decide to accept Islam do so because of a firm conviction not in order to harm the Muslim community from within.

3. Coming to the actual law of apostasy, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh did say, in the above historical context, "Whoever replaces his religion, execute him" (Bukhari, Abu Dawud) but how exactly do we understand this statement and does it conflict with the principles of freedom? The Prophet Muhammad pbuh himself clarified this statement in another hadith narrated in Sahih Muslim where he mentioned that the one who was to be fought against was the one who "abandons his religion and the Muslim community". It should be noted that every country has maintained punishments, including execution, for treason and rebellion against the state (See Mozley and Whitley's Law Dictionary, under "Treason and Treason Felony," pp. 368-369). Islam is not just a set of beliefs, it is a complete system of life which includes a Muslim's allegiance to the Islamic state. Thus, a rejection against that would be akin to treason. Rebellion against God is more serious than rebellion against one's country. However, one who personally abandons the faith and leaves the country would not be hunted down and assassinated, nor would one who remains inside the state conforming to outward laws be tracked down and executed. The notion of establishing inquisition courts to determine peoples' faith, as done in the Spanish Inquisition, is something contrary to Islamic law. As illustrated by the historical context in which it was mandated, the death penalty is mainly for those who collaborate with enemy forces in order to aid them in their attacks against the Islamic state or for those who seek to promote civil unrest and rebellion from within the Islamic state. When someone publicly announces their rejection of Islam within an Islamic state it is basically a challenge to the Islamic government, since such an individual can keep it to themselves like the personal affair it is made out to be.

4. From Islamic history, we can gain a better understanding of how this law has been implemented. Although the Prophet Muhammad pbuh threatened the death penalty in response to the attempts against the Muslim community, no such executions took place in his time (Imam Shawkani, Nayl Al-Awtar, vol. 7, p. 192) even though there is a report that a Bedouin renounced Islam and left Madinah unharmed in his time (Fath Al-Bari vol. 4, p.77 and vol. 13 p. 170; Sahih Muslim biSharh An-Nawawi, vol. 9, p. 391). Thus, we find that context plays an important role in determining how to deal with apostates. The case of one who enlists nations to fight against the Islamic state is more serious, for example. That is why the scholars of the Hanafi school of thought felt that the punishment only applies to the male apostate and not the female apostate because the latter is unable to wage war against the Islamic state. If someone simply has some doubts concerning Islam, then those doubts can be clarified.

So an Islamic state is certainly justified in punishing those who betray the state, committing treason and support enemy forces. As for anyone else, if they do not publicly declare their rejection of Islam, the state has no interest in pursuing them; if their case does become public, however, then they should be reasoned with and educated concerning the religion so that they have the opportunity to learn the concepts they may not have understood properly and they can be encouraged to repent.

For more reading,you can view this thread

Who is Jesus(peace be upon him)?

I think we are being a little unfair to the poster in that we are not directly answering the q in context.
I can only post what I know and this is not to be seen as a complete or perfect answer.

There were a few occasions during the time of the prophet pbuh himself where people apostatised and werenot punished, even though he was able to do so.
Some also came back to Islam later.
Umm habiba's husband was not assassinated despite many devout Muslims being ready to carry out any command given them by the prophet pbuh.

Then there were the cases during intense friction with the disbelievers where an apostate would cause huge harm to the fledgling community.
The prophet pbuh is reported to have said, kill the one who leaves the way.
Though he didn't always apply it. (maybe depending on the situation and damage the person would do) God knows.
I take it you're aware that the maximum penalty for desertion from the u.s army is .... Death..... But it has been seen that this was applied according to circumstances.
Well, in the small Muslim community of medina where they were surrounded by enemies, some of whom were supported by quraish, every able male was a fighter, and to desert at times like those was considered dangerous.

You may also be aware of some of the blatant lies against their country some asylum seekers tell and how countries like the u.s and Britain use it as testimony and a context for aggression/"intervention".

I personally don't know the apostate and the damage he might have been doing so I won't comment on what justufication iran's government may or may not have, but I can assure you that they are under attack from enemies within and without.

Also research pat tilman. See how they used deception and murder instead of openly stating their reasons for his murder.
Peace

A christian in Saudi accused of thievery, converts to Islam after a non-guilty verdict which he was sure would not be in his favor due to his religion:

تسبَّب حُكْم قضائي، صدر من أحد قضاة المحكمة الجزئية في أبها بالمملكة العربية السعودية أمس الأول في دخول وافد هندي الإسلام، بعد أن كان يعتنق الديانة المسيحية. وتعود تفاصيل اعتناق الوافد الإسلام إلى توقيفه في قضية سرقة، اتهمه بها مواطن؛ حيث عُرض الوافد على القاضي أمس، ولم يجد القاضي أي بيّنة موصلة في الادعاء عقب اطلاعه على ملف القضية، إضافة إلى ملاحظته أن الدعوى تعسفية؛ ما دفع القاضي إلى صرف النظر عن القضية والأمر بالإفراج عن المتهم، وأُفهم المتهم بأن حكم صرف النظر عن الدعوى وأمر الإفراج عنه جاء نتيجة لعدم ثبوت الإدانة عليه. وبعد خروج الوافد من مكتب القاضي طلب من الموظفين مقابلة القاضي مرة أخرى؛ فخرج القاضي لمقابلته؛ فأعلن الوافد رغبته في الإسلام، مشيراً إلى أنه عند حضوره المحكمة كان على يقين بأن القاضي سيحكم ضده بما أن ديانته مسيحية قبل أن يفاجأ بالحكم الذي يبيّن سماحة الدين الإسلامي وعدله. القاضي الذي استجاب للعامل الوافد وأنطقه الشهادتين داخل المحكمة، حسب سبق وسط سعادة وفرح عدد من الموظفين والمراجعين


http://www.almesryoon.com/permalink/69550.html

This is the justice, and kindness that is Islam- One that judges by what is truth not one that judges out of hate as we see in most American trials against Muslims (in fact if they're lucky enough to get a trial and not just droned like Al'Awlaqi and his teenage son' or those in Gitmo or those who are sentenced to 17 yrs in prison for 'thought crimes', like Tariq Mehanna. It is because of this that Jews and Christians found their safest haven in the Muslim world long before the West started to talk about human rights and freedom of religion. “Jews familiar with history might note that from Spain to Baghdad, it was the Islamic world that offered the Jews of the Middle Ages a fair degree of toleration -- not the Christian West’, so tells us Richard Cohen in an article in the Post.

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