Khizr and Ghazala Khan, their late son Humayan Khan. Everyone knows the situation. Go after Trump, he reacts how everyone kind of knew he would, the US finally reacts to Trump (mostly anyway) as they should. To me at least, it seems like the start of a healthy conversation. First, because sales of pocket Constitutions have gone through the roof, and second because it starts a conversation about people who are thoroughly Muslim and thoroughly American, it's not binary and these aren't things that are naturally in conflict with one another.
Now, just as far as Humayan Khan being a member of the US military. And fighting for the US in the Middle East. We're all good, right? It was brought to my attention, a few weeks ago, that there's a list of different things that disqualify someone from properly being a Muslim. One of those things involves fighting alongside infidels, especially if you're fighting with then against Muslims.
I also realize this is, perhaps, an issue that's better left for a true scholar, a true expert, if I were to look for something comprehensive and truly official. And that's okay, I don't necessarily need all of that. Maybe there's a later step where I find out about that, but right now let's just do what we can.
As a regular Muslim who may be interacting with this as it's currently in the public eye, and perhaps as it leads to further conversations about Islamic and American identities and about military service in general, what does the thought process look like or you and where do you take this sort of conversation?
The whole thing with the prohibition against fighting alongside infidels- is this a thing, at all, that gets considered? Is it even on the radar? Is there much of anything that needs to be said about it? If this is a thing, please walk me through it a little bit, if not then I'm really fine if this thread winds up not being very much about that.
Assuming you mean the western nation you call "your" country, which is why think its ok to join them. First of all, ISIS is not attacking your country, nor is it invading it so stop crying wolf.
Secondly, ISIS are not Muslims, not even extremist Muslims. They are a western intelligence created terror group to kill Muslims and clear out the sham area, especially the Euphrates river. I know this is over your head, sigh if only the older timers were around.
Thirdly, US is the enemy of Islam. What other nation has killed more Muslims in recent times? the previous president killed 12 million and the current president killed 4 million, what more do you want them to say they are not the enemies of Islam? how ignorantly blind can you be? or are you just trying to justify your daddy being a kuffar army boy?
No, you don't. Just stop trying to defend your daddy and his kuffar army for the holocaust of Muslims.
Lol brother you're funny, good laugh.
Are you kidding me? Why can't you accept it that they are MUSLIMS, EXTREMEIST MUSLIMS. And yes, ISIS is attacking our country... 9/11, and killing American people. You're crazy man, if you seriously don't understand this.
And no, I'm defending my dad, because I know he is in the right, to fight ISIS, who has repeatedly killed many innocent people, Muslims and non muslims.
He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him [59:23]
Why would U.S bomb the living day lights out of Syria, etc. Just for 9/11? In that case I call them over-reactive. They could simply send in troops and march ahead, aiming the instigator rather than aimlessly, or carelessly dropping bombs on civilians.
What justification do U.S have for bombing buildings full of civilians? U.S isn't at all innocent either. Judging from History of how they bombed Hiroshima, etc.
Why this whole bombng anyway? Why can't U.S not just stop the bombing, march ahead on foot, WITHOUT (afaik) stealing, bombing, de-estabilishing, and raping our women?
If they really were the ones attacked by 9/11, why do they not then aim for the instigator, on foot? Rather than pay back with more bombings which will plant more hatred and more fuel for ISIS.
ISIS is no doubt unislamic that it kills non-muslims, indiscriminately, and kills muslims too. Without order. Why is that so? And where do they get all that weapon from anyway?
But it seems like U.S is just passing the ball to ISIS again.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
(Peace be upon you)
Again, you keep assuming that United States is an enemy of Islam as they have killed Muslims. The two are separate things and not the same. AT ALL. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), Muslims were killed simply for following Islam. However, United States is not killing Muslims today because they are following Islam, rather because 9/11 instigated the entire fiasco.
Wa'alaikum as'salaam,
If it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck?
I guess it's ok to wipe out all the Muslims so long as you don't declare them your enemy and are not at "war" with them. Your notion of enemy is extremely screwed. Maybe you should get out of your comfy first world life and go visit those nations destroyed and/or bombed by the US and ask those victims if US or its allies are the enemy of Islam and Muslims. It's easy to sit in your comfy life and pretend they are not.
You may believe in some conspiracy theory of 9/11 being an inside job, but recent documents from the 9/11 investigation show clearly that the hijackers were Muslim and wanted to end the support for Israel. You do realize that as many as 60 American Muslims died in 9/11 Attack on U.S. soil?
What Kool-aid have you been drinking? You do realize that Daesh has deliberately in their publications and via the Internet asked deranged Muslims to answer their call to attack the West. While Daesh did not itself commit any attacks on U.S. soil, indirectly Daesh-inspired attacks did occur with San Bernarndino Attack and Orlando shooting.
Well if we want to talk about conspiracy theories and nut jobs then, then you need to get off whatever you are smoking and parroting the official narrative like a good little stooge. The so called "conspiracy theories" have much credibility to them. The official narrative has been pulled apart thread by thread and thoroughly exposed. But i guess you can keep sipping that koo-aid you were talking about and we'll just pretend that land of unicorns and rainbows of yours is utopia handing out money and food and charity to the Muslims.
I'll let you in on a little secrete, well not so much a secrete since the rest of the world knows, just not you I guess. Orlando shooter was a gay secular product of his (US) society. Other then his name, there was nothing Muslim or islamic about him. Even his actions were done out of jealousy or something against his boyfriend. It had nothing to do with any daesh, and the so called "phone call" claiming allegiance to daesh doesn't exist, especially since the officials refuse to hand that over for confirmation and verification.
Have the people here become even more ignorant and brainwashed since my absence or is this the new generation raised plugged into the matrix....
or maybe you're just another revert that wants to defend her war mongering country out of some nationalist loyalty.
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady
Dunno. But when atheists are worried about losing their lives if they travel to a Muslim nation, because of a confusion between atheism and apostasy, it doesn't help Islam's image.
To be honest, the article was deceptively misleading. It should have clarified from the beginning that the article was in reference to former Muslims turned atheists who are publicly known to have participated/are participating in activities that the government considers subversive and a threat to the nation-state due to apostasy itself being considered an act of betrayal of the nation-state and a threat to the stability and security of the country.
Dunno. But when atheists are worried about losing their lives if they travel to a Muslim nation, because of a confusion between atheism and apostasy, it doesn't help Islam's image.
Back when I first started studying Islam, before I reverted, I took classes online from a place called Al Mawrid in Peshawar, Pakistan. Masha'Allah, they were awesome, AWESOME people. I seriously considered traveling there to study from them personally and while they said they would love to have me, it was not safe. Even if I had reverted, because I was American there were some there who would think my reversion was fake and try to kill me, or probably worse, try to capture me for ransom. But they made it very clear that the main threat was simply in being a Westerner, not my being Muslim or not being Muslim. Note, this was before the death of Bin Laden and we (the US) were much more active over there at the time than we are now - not to say we are not active now, but it was much moreso then - so I do not know if the threat would be the same.
Are you kidding me? Why can't you accept it that they are MUSLIMS, EXTREMEIST MUSLIMS. And yes, ISIS is attacking our country... 9/11, and killing American people. You're crazy man, if you seriously don't understand this.
Do you even know when 9-11 happened? do you now the time gap between that and when daesh came about?
i suggest go brushing up on your current events and history.
Come on people, please, let's try reading the Quran in our own languages and it'll be easy, it makes more sense than anything we'll see or read in todays world and it'll answer these basic questions which some of us appear to be going around and around in loops with as if we've been asked to lift and move planet jupiter.
Let's be keys for goodness, for God's sake.
And isn't it embarrasing to the kuffar and munafiqeen when the world sees them in plain sight trying to deceive and push combinations frantically to provoke the wrath of God and open the doors of evil and hell
whilst the Muslims are seeking to be upright and walk straight whilst obeying God and seeking His good pleasure and meekly try to open doors to good and to paradise?
I won't dignify the first paragraph of your post with a response.
Well if we want to talk about conspiracy theories and nut jobs then, then you need to get off whatever you are smoking and parroting the official narrative like a good little stooge. The so called "conspiracy theories" have much credibility to them. The official narrative has been pulled apart thread by thread and thoroughly exposed. But i guess you can keep sipping that koo-aid you were talking about and we'll just pretend that land of unicorns and rainbows of yours is utopia handing out money and food and charity to the Muslims.
Official version? Mate, you have no idea what's what. I have read Daesh's publications and interacted on the Internet with a self-confessed Daesh member, another who professed to have inside knowledge of the doings of Daesh, and also Daesh fanboys. There is no conspiracy, which is easy for you as a Muslim to tout, because then you can pretend that evil Muslims don't exist who are deranged and participate in heinous actions.
I have read conspiracy theories, and most of them, I do not find credible. I'm not saying there aren't conspiracies that exist in the world, and yet most of them I do not find creditable.
I'll let you in on a little secrete, well not so much a secrete since the rest of the world knows, just not you I guess. Orlando shooter was a gay secular product of his (US) society. Other then his name, there was nothing Muslim or islamic about him. Even his actions were done out of jealousy or something against his boyfriend. It had nothing to do with any daesh, and the so called "phone call" claiming allegiance to daesh doesn't exist, especially since the officials refuse to hand that over for confirmation and verification.
I participated in the discussion on the Orlando shooting, and I well know that he was gay. However, that does not take away from the fact that he did pledge allegiance to Daesh. Do I think he was a Daesh member? No. Do I think he was inspired by attacks around the globe that Daesh committed? Yes. Do I think he answered the generic call of Daesh on the Internet to attack the West? Likely.
Do you even know when 9-11 happened? do you now the time gap between that and when daesh came about?
i suggest go brushing up on your current events and history.
Um.. did you read "killing American people"?
He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him [59:23]
Why would U.S bomb the living day lights out of Syria, etc. Just for 9/11? In that case I call them over-reactive. They could simply send in troops and march ahead, aiming the instigator rather than aimlessly, or carelessly dropping bombs on civilians.
What justification do U.S have for bombing buildings full of civilians? U.S isn't at all innocent either. Judging from History of how they bombed Hiroshima, etc.
Why this whole bombng anyway? Why can't U.S not just stop the bombing, march ahead on foot, WITHOUT (afaik) stealing, bombing, de-estabilishing, and raping our women?
If they really were the ones attacked by 9/11, why do they not then aim for the instigator, on foot? Rather than pay back with more bombings which will plant more hatred and more fuel for ISIS.
ISIS is no doubt unislamic that it kills non-muslims, indiscriminately, and kills muslims too. Without order. Why is that so? And where do they get all that weapon from anyway?
But it seems like U.S is just passing the ball to ISIS again.
Ok... I'm NOT justifying the U.S. carelessly bombing/droning, I don't like that.
But, take my word, my dad isn't one of those bombers, he's one of those troops that come to go fight ISIS (if he is ever called to fight). And fighting ISIS = yes; droning/bombing innocent civilians = NO
Can't anyone understand that??
He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him [59:23]
A whole lot has been said regarding Islam by people much, much more educated on it than I am, so I won't comment on what is or is not Islamic.
What I do know is the mentality and typical tactics of those adhering to conspiracy theories, and that is that the truth of any matter as it relates to their conspiracy of choice tend to be irrelevant. No matter how often said conspiracy gets refuted, no matter how illogical or lacking in actual, objective, empirical evidence they are, it doesn't matter. Usually, all that matters is that the conspiracy confirms their biases. Reality need not apply.
The up side to arguing against the, usually, illogical and irrational claims of conspiracy theorists is that it shows those that may be on the fence of a view how wrong the conspiracy claims usually are.
That doesn't mean conspiracies don't exist, but most most conspiracy theories tend to be.
That doesn't mean conspiracies don't exist, but most most conspiracy theories tend to be.
I agree that lot of conspiracies are just hogwash and nothing more. But at the same time, public is so brainwashed that they will dismiss anything contradicting and questioning the official narrative as "conspiracy theory". It is a convenient way for officials to dismiss opposing opinion and evidence using such labels, while the sheeples bahhh bahh along with them.
Ok... I'm NOT justifying the U.S. carelessly bombing/droning, I don't like that.
But, take my word, my dad isn't one of those bombers, he's one of those troops that come to go fight ISIS (if he is ever called to fight). And fighting ISIS = yes; droning/bombing innocent civilians = NO
Can't anyone understand that??
What is your father fighting for? To defeat ISIS? When they do that, then what? What will happen of Syria? Will they turn it into a democratic state, not allowing Shariah?
I can perfectly see this as a way to demonize Islamic Law, and have people parroting for Democracy instead of Shariah, having anyone standing up for Shariah demonized and labelled "terrorist", "oppressive" etc.
But I can also see this as a way for Muslims to teach the non-muslims about Shariah and Islam.
his intentions is to fight ISIS, which is unIslamic (ISIS), he wants to show what Islam truly is. After doing so, what will he do?
No doubt, ISIS is not Islamic in its ways, but seems like ISIS is the perfect puzzle in the Narrative of U.S.
I can't see any reason why U.S is droning down Syria, and why they not instead take down the "head" as they call it. The oppressors who use Islamic Law and twist it to suit their agenda.
I am not critizing your dad, at all. Allah knows best his intentions and I pray that Allah blesses him with goodness, and that Allah makes him steadfast. Ameen.
I am all about dialogue, I rather have us discuss on a table. But seeing the recent bans, and Islamophobia, and the way Christians take advantage of Muslims' desperation by giving the Arabic Bibles - that is just disgusting and deceptive (those who do)
Allahu alam.
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Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
I agree that lot of conspiracies are just hogwash and nothing more. But at the same time, public is so brainwashed that they will dismiss anything contradicting and questioning the official narrative as "conspiracy theory". It is a convenient way for officials to dismiss opposing opinion and evidence using such labels, while the sheeples bahhh bahh along with them.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they assume people can keep secrets. Washington DC is widely regarded as the worst place in the world to keep a secret. OTOH, a conspiracy theorist (CT) would say that's exactly what "they" want you to think. In the CT world, the complete lack of evidence that a conspiracy exists is, itself, evidence of the conspiracy.
However, you have to understand that many of your thoughts are extreme.
The "extremists" use a particular strategy to achieve their goal. They will attack the kafir, hoping that the kafir will wholesale attack the Muslims, which would unite the Muslims against the kafir, and force even the "weaker" Muslims to fight back. The underlying calculation is that the kafir cannot take on all Muslims, all at the same time. As I said before, the "extremists" are most likely right about that.
But then again, up till now the strategy has not worked, because the current kafir elite will never do anything that would unite the Muslims against them. Therefore, all the suicide bombing, shootouts, and so on, have mostly failed to attain their goal. Now, I must admit that if the kafir vote someone like our beloved Donald Trump into office, the "extremist" strategies are much more likely to succeed. You can indeed see that the pressure is growing on the kafir to appoint leaders who will respond by wholesale attacking all Muslims indiscriminately. The current complaint amongst the kafir right wing is that "we keep getting bombed and we are not doing anything about it".
Of course, western minds do not really understand that there is a substantial price tag attached to bombing faraway countries. These things never come for free. Seriously, western minds seriously believe that it is unfair that they get suicide-bombed back. But then again, I do not want to go into that subject, because people's haphazard opinions are utterly irrelevant in that matter. It is not what you haphazardly believe, that is important, but that what you are willing to risk your life for and die.
The kafir do not have a second line to fall back on. If the National State fails, there will be no second-line defense put up by the population itself, which is overly individualized and defenseless because it is purposely being kept individualized and defenseless, because that makes it much easier to exploit them. Therefore, the only thing standing between them and the inevitable, is an almost unarmed police force with absolutely no military capabilities, and a small, shrinking national army that is notoriously lousy at urban warfare.
By the way, it is a bit strange that you call me an "extremist" because I have never been involved in a suicide bombing. Proof. I am still alive! ;-)
format_quote Originally Posted by Search
I don't know enough to know one way or another why you would want to revert ...
My faith in the One God is something relatively private. However, there are political advantages to be had by getting along with the Muslims. I do not have the slightest doubt that Islam will achieve its goals. From every point of view, it all looks like a one-way bet. Some people are not patient enough and refuse to see why it can only work, but that is their problem. I don't care much about that.You see, I am a contrarian. I do my own thing. I tend to do the opposite of what everybody else is doing, whenever possible. To an important extent, that is what explains why I am here. Pretty much everybody I grew up with, dislikes or even hates Islam and the Muslims. That is what made me understand: "These Muslims must be onto something. They must be doing something really right, because otherwise the guys that I am so contrarian against, would not hate them so much." Consequently, I started investigating Islam, and indeed, it obviously works.
format_quote Originally Posted by Search
Also, I looked at your explanation of Syrian refugees infiltrating European Union, and I find your rhetoric similar to right wing groups in Europe and even in the U.S. who irrationally believe that there is some "conspiracy" of sending refugees to the EU to weaken the countries with the goal of an internal combustion.
It does not matter whether it is a "conspiracy" or not, it still suits me utterly fine that situation is injecting millions of Syrian Muslims into the European Union. In other words, the Syrian war is not entirely useless, since it does serve a useful purpose.
format_quote Originally Posted by Search
And Islamic end-time prophecies do not support what you're saying because in the end the battle that will take place immediately leading to Armageddon will be WWIII between Christian-majority nations and that means probably Russia and America as I once heard an Islamic scholar once also say.
I have not conjectured about whether the current situation will directly lead to the end times. In fact, I have no opinion about that.
format_quote Originally Posted by Search
For example, right now in the world, there is too much confusion and no one knows who is the standard-bearer of truth and who is the standard-bearer of falsehood.
The situation as it unfolds, suits me perfectly fine. The Syrian conflict will end up injecting millions of Syrian Muslims into the European Union. Therefore, the war is happily busy achieving its goal. Concerning the "extremists", the ball has never really been in their court. If the kafir elite does not react to their provocations, their strategy will not work. The "extremists" will have to wait until the kafir elite gets changed, which does indeed seem to be happening. After that, all odds are off.
If you can see that a new kafir elite would indeed wholesale attack the Muslims indiscriminately, in retaliation to "extremist" provocations, it means that the odometer has started ticking, because the "extremists" will obviously jump on this opportunity to produce the most spectacular provocation ever. At that point, the mainstream Muslims will have to prepare themselves for the inevitable. If at that point, anti-Islamic, kafir forces manage to knock you out, because you are unprepared, because you did not see it coming, then it was the One God's will that you would be knocked out.
*The United States will allocate $5 million to finance the Syrian opposition, the State Department said yesterday, two days after announcing a similar initiative for the Iranian opposition.The State Department said in a statement that it will give the money*“to accelerate the work of reformers in Syria.”The money would come from the department’s Middle East Partnership Initiative, it said.The State Department announced on Wednesday that it would seek $75 million to step up efforts — through extra broadcasts and other activities — to influence democratic change in Iran.
Meanwhile, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States wants to strengthen its sanctions against Syria and is trying to convince other nations to follow suit.
“We intend to use the Syrian Accountability Act and use it to its fullest,” the top US diplomat told Congress, referring to a 2003 law that allows the US administration to impose sanctions against Syria. The law, which provides for a series of six diplomatic, economic and financial sanctions, was partially applied in May 2004 by President George W. Bush, but some sanctions have yet to be used.“The Syrian Accountability Act is a very important tool,” Rice told the House of Representatives International Relations Committee.“We’ve used a great deal of it,” she recalled.BTW.
The uk government seems to have plotted against itself when it made a law defining itself as a terrorist:
Since 1993, regime change by the use of force has been deemed an act of terrorism in UK law.*Section 2(2) of the Reinsurance (Acts of Terrorism) Act 1993 states:
"In this section 'acts of terrorism' means*acts of persons acting on behalf of, or in connection with,*any organisation which carries out activities directed towards the overthrowing or influencing,*by force or violence, of Her Majesty's government in the United Kingdom*or any other government de jure or de facto."
Given that they readily admit to leading regime change via force and violence in Iraq, libya, and others, they leave themselves open to prosecution under section 56 of the Terrorism Act 2000, for which the punishment, on conviction, is life imprisonment.--------------------and anyone who works for the british government or encourages them would also become one under the terrorism act of 2006.....
24/06/2012:
.....but the only thing i can see them doing is giving nato and their corporate backed media propaganda to invade a country they are currently working to destabilize and send into chaos. (which they have been working on for over a decade).let me assure you that they don't care about how many casualties they cause in Muslim lands, they just want to invade.ur better off giving it to hotel staff at the bilderberg meeting, then there won't be any chaos.......
Well, i said some of that in 2012 on this forum, they later just changed the law and definition of the term "terrorism" so as not to be guilty, just as they carve out and reform or make new idols and armed the Mujahideen and later attacked them just as foretold, not that i'm saying i'm ultra-bright, since even a dimwit could've seen it being planned.
And the same thing is still being done by shills in plain sight now, maybe coz they're cozy with the assurance that most kaafirs and munaafiqs get drunk and rebooted every saturday so they can't remember more than a few hazy hours back and can't see foward at all:
7.*The Word is proved true against the greater part of them: for they do not believe.
8.*We have put yokes round their necks right up to their chins, so that their heads are forced up (and they cannot see).
9.*And We have put a bar in front of them and a bar behind them, and further, We have covered them up; so that they cannot see.
10.*The same is it to them whether thou admonish them or thou do not admonish them: they will not believe.
11.*Thou canst but admonish such a one as follows the Message and fears the (Lord) Most Gracious, unseen: give such a one, therefore, good tidings, of Forgiveness and a Reward most generous.
12.*Verily We shall give life to the dead, and We record that which they send before and that which they leave behind, and of all things have We taken account in a clear Book (of evidence).
From Quran Chapter 36, Yaa Seen, Yusuf Ali Translation
And some people seriously need to check the definition of the term "conspiracy" because it appears that the "quick! let's roll our eyes" method still works on people who like to feel accepted by wolves
(In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
format_quote Originally Posted by kritikvernunft
The "extremists" use a particular strategy to achieve their goal. They will attack the kafir, hoping that the kafir will wholesale attack the Muslims, which would unite the Muslims against the kafir, and force even the "weaker" Muslims to fight back. The underlying calculation is that the kafir cannot take on all Muslims, all at the same time. As I said before, the "extremists" are most likely right about that.
You are perceptive: Yes, that's the goal of Daesh.
But then again, up till now the strategy has not worked, because the current kafir elite will never do anything that would unite the Muslims against them. Therefore, all the suicide bombing, shootouts, and so on, have mostly failed to attain their goal. Now, I must admit that if the kafir vote someone like our beloved Donald Trump into office, the "extremist" strategies are much more likely to succeed. You can indeed see that the pressure is growing on the kafir to appoint leaders who will respond by wholesale attacking all Muslims indiscriminately. The current complaint amongst the kafir right wing is that "we keep getting bombed and we are not doing anything about it".
You're right - Daesh do want a Donald Trump presidency. In fact, that's one of the things that I noticed was most odd about the entire matter; but then it's not odd because the people who support Donald Trump are prejudiced from the right wing in U.S. and the same is true from the Daesh who are entirely prejudiced against both non-Muslims and Muslims who oppose them.
By the way, it is a bit strange that you call me an "extremist" because I have never been involved in a suicide bombing. Proof. I am still alive! ;-)
No, I don't think you're an extremist YET. However, I do find some of your views extreme. The two are not equal. And the reason I brought your attention to your views is because there is a line between having some extreme views and then crossing into extremism, and I don't want you to cross that line. Not to mention, since you have expressed an interest in reversion, I want your views to be informed with Islam and not by extremist positions that are on the fringes of Islamic thought.
My faith in the One God is something relatively private. However, there are political advantages to be had by getting along with the Muslims. I do not have the slightest doubt that Islam will achieve its goals. From every point of view, it all looks like a one-way bet. Some people are not patient enough and refuse to see why it can only work, but that is their problem. I don't care much about that.You see, I am a contrarian. I do my own thing. I tend to do the opposite of what everybody else is doing, whenever possible. To an important extent, that is what explains why I am here. Pretty much everybody I grew up with, dislikes or even hates Islam and the Muslims. That is what made me understand: "These Muslims must be onto something. They must be doing something really right, because otherwise the guys that I am so contrarian against, would not hate them so much." Consequently, I started investigating Islam, and indeed, it obviously works.
I can see how being contrarian led you to Islam. It's true that throughout history, truth has been attacked and the case in point is the way the way all prophets (may God bless them all) were persecuted simply for calling peoples to submit themselves to the truth. That said, in Islam, we're advised by Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), "My community shall never agree upon misguidance, therefore, if you see divergences, you must follow the greater mass or larger group." This is one of the reasons why terrorism and extremism can never be accepted within Islamic thought as a valid position.
I have not conjectured about whether the current situation will directly lead to the end times. In fact, I have no opinion about that.
Everything that we're doing as humanity today is hurtling us straight towards the End Times. All prophets (may God bless them all) have given the same warnings to humanity.
The situation as it unfolds, suits me perfectly fine. The Syrian conflict will end up injecting millions of Syrian Muslims into the European Union. Therefore, the war is happily busy achieving its goal. Concerning the "extremists", the ball has never really been in their court. If the kafir elite does not react to their provocations, their strategy will not work. The "extremists" will have to wait until the kafir elite gets changed, which does indeed seem to be happening. After that, all odds are off.
I do not want a Donald Trump presidency for many, many reasons, but one of the reasons is that he three times asked during a briefing as to why U.S. doesn't use nuclear weapons when we have these weapons at our disposal. That's just sheer lunacy. I believe in the end-time prophecies. However, that doesn't mean that I want to live in a time wherein I experience Armageddon.
If you can see that a new kafir elite would indeed wholesale attack the Muslims indiscriminately, in retaliation to "extremist" provocations, it means that the odometer has started ticking, because the "extremists" will obviously jump on this opportunity to produce the most spectacular provocation ever. At that point, the mainstream Muslims will have to prepare themselves for the inevitable. If at that point, anti-Islamic, kafir forces manage to knock you out, because you are unprepared, because you did not see it coming, then it was the One God's will that you would be knocked out.
Believers, some of them have to die and some of them have to stay alive, according to Allah's Plan. Eventually, however, the remaining believers will be victorious. The nature of Truth is to be victorious and the nature of Falsehood is to perish as is Allah's will.
I think that it is obvious why they are hated by the mainstream Muslims. They want to force their hand. These people will obviously never be popular. However, my opinion is also that it will eventually work. Two players are utterly unwilling to enter their game: the kafir elite and the mainstream Muslims. They are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into doing things that they are absolutely not interested in.
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You're right - Daesh do want a Donald Trump presidency.
I must disclose the truth on this matter. I happen to be long on anti-fragile assets: bitcoin and gold. Everybody agrees with me that I stand to make truck loads of money in capital gains, if our beloved Donald Trump manages to get elected. So, I have a vested interested in things going wrong. My entire financial and also professional position is about systematically shorting the National States. The worse they do, the better I do. Of course, I first adopted anti-statist, libertarian views, and then I started acquiring anti-fragile assets and anti-statist professional skills. Islam is a natural extension to this long-standing strategy of mine. The more the National State elites railed against Islam, the more I got pushed in that direction. I had no other option than to modify and improve my anti-statist, libertarian views in order to make them fit into the Islamic framework of morality and law. That is why I would never consciously argue against the Quran or the Sunnah. I have long-standing political reasons for this.
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However, I do find some of your views extreme. The two are not equal. And the reason I brought your attention to your views is because there is a line between having some extreme views and then crossing into extremism, and I don't want you to cross that line. Not to mention, since you have expressed an interest in reversion, I want your views to be informed with Islam and not by extremist positions that are on the fringes of Islamic thought.
I can see what the "extremists" are doing, and I can also clearly see why the mainstream Muslims do not really like them. As a matter of fact, the "extremists" numbers are too small to be of political use to me. Furthermore, to the extent that they really alienate the really interesting head counts in Islam, I will disavow them, if only for political reasons. To the extent that particular "extremist" views are generally rejected by the mainstream Muslims, such views are, in fact, useless to me. What am I supposed to gain there? In the meanwhile, however, I am also not credibly opposing these "extremists" because I do not really consider any of that to be my problem. As they are seeking to accelerate the inevitable, my only reproach to them would be that their lack of patience could actually reflect an underlying lack of faith. Seriously, I am much more interested in mainstream Muslim views that are generally rejected by the western kafirs. Those are the truly interesting political opinions.
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Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), "My community shall never agree upon misguidance, therefore, if you see divergences, you must follow the greater mass or larger group."
Yes, this sounds quite true. However, it is only the Quran and its interpretation in the Sunnah that could ever receive a blank cheque, and not individual Muslims; as a first-order objection. Hence, also not groups of Muslims, as a second-order extension to the first-order objection. Hence, not even the largest possible group of Muslims, i.e. all of them.
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I do not want a Donald Trump presidency for many, many reasons, but one of the reasons is that he three times asked during a classified briefing as to why U.S. doesn't use nuclear weapons when we have these weapons at our disposal. That's just sheer lunacy.
If you ever got to deal with State bureaucracies, you know that they do not really do as anybody says, including their bosses. They follow their own, utterly formalistic logic of regulations, clarifying memos, and long-standing habits. They are impossibly recalcitrant. One comma wrong and they send back the entire file. In fact, the American administration barely listens to Obama. He has a very hard time getting anything done, while his leadership is not even contested or questioned by the bureaucracy. I can pretty much guarantee to you that the entire American administration will almost immediately come to a standstill if our beloved Donald Trump becomes president. Even the staff in the White House will refuse to serve him coffee in the morning. He will pretty much have to make the coffee by himself, because the staff will end up mixing waste water with coffee whenever they can. He will become impossibly ineffective. He is not even president and everything he does is already rife with obstructionism. You see, when Hitler came to power, his followers really believed in Nazism and their "Führer". Who really believes in Trump or his Trumpist inconsistencies? His views do not even constitute a valid ideology. You need someone like Karl Marx to write a book like "Das Kapital" to power a functioning ideology. Our beloved Donald Trump just improvises his way through life. How is any of that supposed to really work? Our beloved Donald Trump will make the American government totally disfunctional, while just fighting silly skirmishes with all the people whom he has already designated as enemies, and while achieving nothing at all. Do you really believe that he will be able to build his wall with Mexico in these circumstances? With everybody obstructing him just for the fun of doing so? With all the Hispanics sabotaging everything he does? And then he has also promised to amuse us by sending the bill to Mexico. I mean, this is not optional. I want to see him doing that. We must insist that he does it. He will not escape this. Everybody will force him to do that. There is no way that he can retract that. At least half of the United States will in fact side with the Mexicans if he does that, if only to obstruct him, and to make him look silly. Seriously, our beloved Donald Trump is not really dangerous. He is actually just funny! ;-)
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Seriously, our beloved Donald Trump is not really dangerous. He is actually just funny! ;-)
I do agree with you that, policy-wise, odds are Donald Trump would be met with nothing but obstruction, even worse than what President Obama faces. At least for his plans. Pence, on the otherhand, is more a part of the Republican machine, and so his agendas are much more likely to be actionable, as far as the GOP is concerned.
However, in terms of Donald Trump himself, the real danger of a Trump presidency isn't his likely-to-be-blocked policies, but rather the social impact of someone with his jingoistic, regressive, xenophobic hate-mongering being president. It will, at least in the minds of those like him, legitimize their hate as something of merit. It will be seen as something to be proud of, something acceptable, and okay to act on.
After all, if the president can hold these views, act on these ignorant, hateful, views, then it must be okay for the citizenry to do so as well.
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