I wanted to ask, who of the disbelievers can become a dhimmi? Cuz I am confused, I've read that only christians and Jews can, others are to be killed or they should convert. Which sounds forceful, and not Islam. The other is - none should be ridiculed for what they believe in - i.e. any non muslim can be a dhimmi. And an ayat in the Qur'an implies that the Jizyah is to subjugate the disbelievers to Islamic Rule. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.9:29 http://legacy.quran.com/9/29 Can any scholar clarify? How will force bring sincerity? It won't.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
Dhimmi means commoner or serf. In Christian society, the dhimmi has a social status substantially inferior to nobility. The dhimmi is inferior to, for example, the Byzantine-Roman lords ("nobles") who protect him. In exchange, as mandated by Christian religion, the dhimmi must pay oppressing and crushing taxes to these Byzantine-Roman nobles, and is very inferior to them. When the Caliph defeats these Byzantine-Roman lords, the Quranic provisions mandate that these dhimmis must continue paying these oppressing and crushing taxes to the Caliph.
Taxation mandated by religion can never be abolished.
As you know, Christian religion mandates very high and ever-increasing taxes. Hence, Christians will always be held to pay excessive, oppressing, and crushing taxes to whoever is their ruler, i.e. their "Caesar". For a Christian, it is even considered very impolite to question the legitimacy of these taxes, or to refuse to pay them. Doing that is a very serious offense against Christian religion: "Pay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar". Hence, it is utterly forbidden to exempt Christians from their crushing taxation burden, or even to suggest a thing like that. Anybody suggesting a thing like that, commits the mortal sin of heresy against Christian religion. There are only two certainties in their Christian life: death and taxes. The Christian commoners must be duly and incessantly taxed, because that is what they are here for.
One seems very harsh/unreasonable, the other seems reasonable.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
One seems very harsh/unreasonable, the other seems reasonable.
I'm having trouble reconciling these 2.
Btw, there is soo much confusion on another forum. Can any scholar truly confirm that any non muslim can become dhimmi, so I can give proof?
Can some Scholar explain the Shariah Law, how it is implemented, and how it should be shown to the world and non muslims?
Cause right now, Muslims on the other forum are basically saying "Shariah is to be imposed by force and violence, complete surrender, and complete forceful submission".
"Force is the only way, saying otherwise is delusion".........
"Every kafir has to follow Islam 100% under Shariah Rule"... It is getting ridiculous. I quote from a non muslim:
"Well the country is under Islamic law so... no. Alcohol would be banned, even in the home. Non Muslims would be expect to follow the rule of Sharia law 100%. Non Muslim women have to cover themselves etc.
I think the only way a system like this could work is if it was rolled out slowly, bit by bit. So the non Muslims slowly get accustomed to the change."
So what is Shariah Law ? Tbh, logically, force and violence will never work, it breeds hypocrisy.
So, it comes back to this:
How did the Prophet :saw: rule? What is Shariah? Who can get the Dhimmi status? Proof? If the disbelievers can practice their own religion, where is the proof? And where is the proof that all disbelievers can be dhimmis?
And where is the Proof that they can judge with their own system? (Christians and Jews - but more importantly other disbelievers?)
Last edited by Serinity; 08-29-2016 at 06:53 PM.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
In the hope of receiving an answer that makes sense, I am asking this again:
Who are the dhimmah being protected from?
Peace
AFAIK,
Their life is protected, their wealth, property, family, etc. Whatever they own. So if they were to be attacked, the Muslims would rush to protect them.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
AFAIK, Their life is protected, their wealth, property, family, etc. Whatever they own. So if they were to be attacked, the Muslims would rush to protect them. Allah knows best.
Yes, and in accordance with Quranic provisions, all existing taxes will be simply continued, and all employment contracts with tax collectors will continue to be honoured.
In the hope of receiving an answer that makes sense, I am asking this again:
Who are the dhimmah being protected from?
Peace
From thief's robbing them, Murderers murdering them etc etc - basic law enforcement. If they ever got in to trouble with bandits then it would be the rulers responsibility to aide them.
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Yes, and in accordance with Quranic provisions, all existing taxes will be simply continued, and all employment contracts with tax collectors will continue to be honoured.
Not entirely old people, the sick and widows were exempt - also people that couldn't pay. Its a case by case scenario.
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
The Jizyah is simply a tax collected by the Muslim state, from non-Muslims. Similar to the tax collected by the Muslim state from Muslim citizens (the Zakat).
The Jizya, much like the Zaakt, goes to public services and if necessary, to arm the military, which then defends the non-Muslim, tax paying citizens. In a true Islamic state (non exists in the modern world ) only the Muslims are obligated to defend the land, the non-Muslims are not.
The Jizya, much like the Zaakt, goes to public services and if necessary, to arm the military, which then defends the non-Muslim, tax paying citizens. In a true Islamic state (non exists in the modern world ) only the Muslims are obligated to defend the land, the non-Muslims are not.
Speaking only for myself, I would have no problem paying my taxes or defending my country.
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I wanted to ask, who of the disbelievers can become a dhimmi? Cuz I am confused, I've read that only christians and Jews can, others are to be killed or they should convert. Which sounds forceful, and not Islam. The other is - none should be ridiculed for what they believe in - i.e. any non muslim can be a dhimmi. And an ayat in the Qur'an implies that the Jizyah is to subjugate the disbelievers to Islamic Rule. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.9:29 http://legacy.quran.com/9/29 Can any scholar clarify? How will force bring sincerity? It won't.
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