Imaam ash-Shaafi`ee رحمة الله عليه said on one occasion: “I have not seen among the Kuffaar any people more famous for lies and falsehood than the Rawaafidhi Shi`a.”
On another occasion he said: “Narrate `Ilm from everyone you meet except the Rawaafidhi Shi`a, because they invent Ahaadeeth and adopt them as their religion.” [Narrated in Minhaaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah.]
The great Imaam, Abu Zur`ah ar-Raazi رحمة الله عليه said: “If you see a person degrading any of the Sahaabah of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, then know that he is a Kaafir.”
Imaam ash-Sha`bee رحمة الله عليه said: "I warn you of those who lead astray from amongst the Ahl-e-Bid`ah.
The worst among them is the Rawaafidh. They did not enter Islaam seeking the Haqq, nor out of the fear of Allaah, but because of their hatred towards the Muslims."
`Allaamah ibn Hazm azh-Zhaahiri رحمة الله عليه said: "The Shi`a is a group which has tread the same path as the Yahood and the Nasaaraa. The Shi`as are definitely not Muslims."
`Allaamah Qaadi `Iyyaad رحمة الله عليه said: "We certainly regard that person as a Kaafir who considers the entire Ummah to be astray and the Sahaabah to be Kuffaar."
Imaam as-Sarakhsi رحمة الله عليه said: "Whoever defames the Sahaabah is a Kaafir. He has cast aside the sheet of Islaam. If he does not make Tawbah, the treatment for him is the sword."
Imaam Fakhr-ud-Deen Raazi رحمة الله عليه said: "The claim of the Shi`as that additions, subtractions, alterations and interpolations took place in the Qur'aan is a belief which renders their Islaam null and void."
Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Taymiyyah رحمة الله عليه said: "There is no doubt in the Kufr of the opinion that all the Sahaabah except a few whose number does not even reach ten had become Murtaddeen or that the general massses had all become Faasiq. The reason for this is that such a person is rejecting that part of the Qur'aan in which they (The Sahaabah-e-Kiraam) have been praised. In fact, Kufr has found a place in the heart of the one who doubts the Kufr of such Kuffaar.”
`Allaamah Aloosi رحمة الله عليه was asked about the claim of the Shi`as, that they are following the Ahl-e-Bayt, so he said: “No, they are the followers of Shaytaan. The Ahl-e-Bayt are free of them.”
In Fataawaa `Aalamgiri, volume one page number ninety-two, it is stated: “To declare the Shi`a Rawaafidh as Kuffaar is binding on the basis of their Kufr beliefs. These people are outside the pale of Islaam. They fall into the same category as the Murtaddeen, and should be dealt with accordingly. Anyone who does not call them Kuffaar is an irreligious person and a Kaafir like them.”
اخرج الامام ابن حزم في المحلّي: عن هشام بن عمّار قال: سمعت مالک بن انس یقول: من سبّ ابا بکر و عمر جلد، و من سبّ عائشة قتل، قيل له: لم یقتل في عائشة؟ لانّ الله تعالی یقول في عائشة رضي الله عنها: يعظکم الله ان تعودوا لمثله ابدا ان کنتم مؤمنين، قال مالک: فمن رماها فقد خالف القرآن، و من خالف القرآن قتل، قال ابو محمد رحمه الله: قول مالک ههنا صحیح و هي ردّة تامّة و تکذيب الله تعالی في قطعه ببراءتها
Imaam ibn Hazm narrates in his Kitaab “Al-Mahalli” from Imaam Hishaam ibn `Ammaar who said, “I heard Imaam Maalik ibn Anas رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ saying, “Whoever insults Hadhrat Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه and Hadhrat `Umar رضي الله عنه is to be whipped, and whoever insults Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رضي الله عنها is to be killed.” He was asked, “Why is the one who insults Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا to be killed?” He replied, “Because Allaah Ta`aalaa said regarding Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا in the Qur’aan, “Allaah warns you from ever repeating something like this again if indeed you are Mu’mineen...” Imaam Maalik said, “So whoever accuses her (of having committed a shameless act) has opposed the Qur’aan, and whoever opposed the Qur’aan is to be killed.” Imaam Abu Muhammad رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ said, “The Qowl (Verdict) of Imaam Maalik رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ here is Saheeh, and it (accusing Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا) is complete Riddah (apostasy) and belying Allaah Ta`aalaa in His Clear Exoneration of her.” [Al-Kunnaashah fee Ba`dhi Khasaa'isi `Aa'ishah.]
وقال الامام ابن العربي المالکي رحمه الله: انّ اهل الافک رموا عائشة المطهّرة بالفاحشة فبرّأها الله، فکلّ من سبّها بما برّأها الله منه فهو مکذب الله، و من کذب الله فهو کافر
Imaam ibn al-`Arabi al-Maaliki رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ said, “The People of Ifk accused Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا of (committing a) Faahishah, so Allaah exonerated her. Therefore, whoever accuses her of that which Allaah exonerated her from is rejecting Allaah, and whoever rejects Allaah is a Kaafir.”
وقال الامام ابن قدامة المقدسي رحمه الله: عائشة الصديقة بنت الصديق التي برّأها الله في کتابه، زوج النبي صلي الله عليه و سلّم في الدنیا و الآخرة، فمن قذفها بما برّأها الله منه فقد کفر بالله العظيم
Imaam ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisi رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ said, “Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا is As-Siddeeqah the daughter of As-Siddeeq, the other whom Allaah exonerated in His Kitaab, the wife of An-Nabi صَلَّی اللہُ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ وَ سَلَّمْ in this Dunyaa and in the Aakhirah. Therefore, whoever accuses her of that which Allaah exonerated her from, has disbelieved in Allaah al-`Azheem.”
Imaam Abus Saa’ib al-Qaadhi رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ said, “I was once in the presence of Imaam Hasan ibn Zayd رَحْمَةُ اللہِ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ when a man spoke badly about Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا. He said (to one of the youth present), “O Young man, strike his neck!” The `Alawiyyoon (i.e. The Shi`as) said, “This man is from our Shi`a.” He said, “Ma`aadhallaah! This man has insulted Nabi صَلَّی اللہُ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ وَ سَلَّمْ, for Allaah has said, “Evil women are for evil men and evil men are for evil women. Pure women are for pure men and pure men are for pure women; all of those (the pure ones) are free from what they (those who are evil) say, for them there shall be Maghfirah (Forgiveness) and a Noble Reward.” So if Hadhrat `Aa’ishah رَضِيَ اللہُ تَعَالَی عَنْهَا had been evil, then that would mean that Nabi صَلَّی اللہُ تَعَالَی عَلَیْهِ وَ سَلَّمْ was evil (Na`oodhubillaah), so this man is a Kaafir, therefore, strike his neck!” Imaam Abus Saa’ib al-Qaadhi said, “So they struck his neck (i.e. killed him) whilst I was present.”
I used to post on that forum in the past. But then it went down for a while, and when it came back I wasn't active any longer. The date of the posts not being shown makes things a bit difficult.
Apart from sectarian discussion I also think that Iran was the most strong country in the middle east against the imperial forces. They however slowly switch to a more imperialist position now themselves . Western imperialism swallows up everything today.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
That's a modern day ideology, akhi. The `Ulamaa of the past adopted the following approach to the Shi`as:
The Madh-hab of Tashyee`/Tashayyu` (Shi'ism) is Kufr. Those who attribute themselves to this Madh-hab are, therefore, Kaafirs, just as one who attributes himself to Christianity, or to Judaism, or to Hinduism, or to any other religion.
You are ignoring the issue of affiliation. Answer the question for me:
What is your opinion of a person who says: "I am a Supporter of ISIS". Let's say a member joins, and puts that as his signature, and his display picture, and even makes a thread saying it. A whole thread saying he supports them, loves them, makes Du`aa for them, that he affiliates himself to them, etc.
What will you say?
I would be OK with anyone who says whatever he wants in a forum as long as it doesnt directly target innocent people. You can show your support to ISIS here but you can't call for an attack on innocent people. You will be offcourse disabled from doing this.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
I don't know why everybody is able to understand when it comes to what is known as "Terrorist Organisations" but not when it comes to the Shi`as.
Affiliation is a crime In and Of Itself.
If a person joins this forum today, and puts in his signature: "Supporter of ISIS", I guarantee you, the majority of the members will clamour for that person to be banned instantly. If he joined today he'd probably be banned and deleted before tomorrow, the way the members will protest and fight.
Why is it different when it comes to the Shi`as? Why do you regard affiliation as a crime when it comes to organisations you dislike but not when it comes to Kaafir satanic cults like Shi'ism that insults Allaah Ta`aalaa, Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, and all of the Sahaabah?
How blind can people be? What is difficult to understand about this?
What Nifaaq (hypocrisy) is this? Don't you realise it? Do you not see what happens? If someone affiliates himself to AQ or "ISIS", there are a lot who will not hesitate to call him a "Kaafir" and wish for him to go to hell. But if someone joins the forum and says that he is a Shi`a, then everyone jumps to defend him, make excuses for him, try to change the Qur'aan for him?
What is this? Why do you regard the affiliation of Bakr as a crime but not the affiliation of Zaid? Where is the difference?
Assalaamo alaikum.
The reason of this attitude is that most of the Muslims are far away from the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of Allah's Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. The present situation proves that the whole world is in terrible darkness. Even the Muslim world is also in the darkness of ignorance. They either don't read the Holy Quraan or they just recite it to earn some reward but do not try to understand and follow it. The result is that for Islam there is no gheerah (esteem). Most of them follow the western culture blindly and consider it to be their pride.
Regarding the ISIS, I have a question from any person whether a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Since long the so called super powers have been trying to wipe out this nation because she implements the Law of Islam. So the Powerful non-Muslims tried their best to wipe it out from the surface of the earth but they couldn't do that until now!!! Why??? What is the answer to this question???
Particularly, think about the very recent war on Mosul and Ar-Raqqah! I tried to know from many news. Although the western media doesn't give proper news but there are some who give information on the net. Also a little comes out from Al-Jazeera news. I found some people complaining on the net that so much killing and brutality is happening in Aleppo but the general media is completely silent about it!!! This is because Muslims are tortured and killed. If a Christian or some other non-Muslim was harmed a little the media would scream and the whole world would stand up on his side!!! So the media now doesn't say what was the result of the war on Mosul. But some people used to give the facts on different channels of the net.
Thus according to those news, on the Mosul side there were 100,000 shia forces called Al-Hashad Al-Sha'bi. Then there were Iraqi forces plus Peshi marga forces. I think those were more than a fifty thousand. They were heavily equipped with tanks etc. On Ar-Raqqah also were and are forces like that. It means that total forces against them are about 200,000! On both fronts those forces have been helped by air strikes from American, French, Russian, British and many other air planes! According to the news (probably Al-Jazeera news) the ISIS had at the most ten thousand soldiers who had to fight for their defense on many fronts thus they were divided. Also in some of the cities which were taken by the Iraqi forces, they found only simple factories which made only some explosives that the ISIS used to fill up the cars and with them they used to target the enemies. Like the Trench Battle at the time of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam, they have made trench around Mosul and managed fire and smoke in the trench for defending themselves. But they had no rockets or Chlorine bombs to use otherwise they would have used them on the surrounding enemies. As they didn’t use any such weapon, so it proves that they do not have it. so in the past the accusations on them that they had rockets and chlorine bombs were false!!!
Then how they defeated those huge and heavily equipped armies??? This is my question.
It is said by some news that about one third of the Iraqi forces are killed and injured and their hospitals are full of the dead and injured people. How it happened at the hands of the ISIS forces which are so much limited and unequipped?
I wonder and say Allaho Akbar!!! Here is the translation of some of the verses of the Holy Quraan:
8. Verily, in this is an Ayah (proof or sign), yet most of them (polytheists, pagans, etc., who do not believe in Resurrection) are not believers.
Another translation of this verse is:
8. Indeed in that is a sign, but most of them were not to be believers
9. And verily, your Lord! He is truly the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.
(Surah Al-Shu’araa (Ash-Shu'araa) verses 8 and 9)
************************************************** *******************************************I****** * I sincerely advise all to take heed and stop torturing and killing the true Muslims because Allah is The Mighty, the Merciful. Until now Allah has given time to the transgressors to think and take heed but along with that Allah also shows signs and informs all that Allah Is the Mighty, Allah’s seizing and punishing will be very severe.
Assalaamo alaikum.
Regarding the ISIS, I have a question from any person whether a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Since long the so called super powers have been trying to wipe out this nation because she implements the Law of Islam. So the Powerful non-Muslims tried their best to wipe it out from the surface of the earth but they couldn't do that until now!!! Why??? What is the answer to this question???
Particularly, think about the very recent war on Mosul and Ar-Raqqah!
Wa alaikum as salaam.
You are presuming that Daesh/Isis is implementing the Law of Islam. I can tell you that nothing is further from the truth. Daesh are violating the pure Laws of Islam left and right. They are murdering innocent civilians, engaging in acts of terrorism, suicide kamikaze style attacks, beheading people, mutilating corpses, raping women, and all other sorts of brutality.
Daesh are fighting against Muslims like typical Kharijites.
You claim that no one is able to wipe them out. Actually, Daesh are collapsing rapidly. They haven't made any territorial expansion but are on the defensive and their so called state is falling. They are losing in Mosul badly and withdrawing.
In Sha Allah, soon Daesh will be finished, just like Qaeda was defeated before them.
i knew 2 shias who didnt even know why they are shias
1 came to a mosque in leicester,prayed salah with us and even listened to a talk in leicester jame masjid all his friends were sunni.
another in manchester helped us all day and was a close friend to my boss.i didnt even know he was shia ,he didnt even know the difference
Ya know what I find amusing?
Muslims claiming Shia this Sunni that and wearing Armani, Versace and all them other "gay designer labels". Yep, they were all homosexual.
Until we can remove the labels we wear to impress others, we have no right and are in no position to judge a label another wears.
Simple. Logic.
Bro EricH, I agree with your post 100% and was reminded of when Jesus pbuh said according to the NT "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
Muslims claiming Shia this Sunni that and wearing Armani, Versace and all them other "gay designer labels". Yep, they were all homosexual.
I'm anti-designer labels myself. I never wear those stuff. Also, I find it to be absolute Israaf (wastage of money) to spend a ton of money on something just because of a stupid label when you can get the same thing for 5% of that price if it doesn't have the label. People waste money on Louis Vuitton handbags for no reason other than to brag. It's $55,500 for the Louis Vuitton: City Steamer handbag. The only reason a person would buy it is to brag about how much money they have, so much so that they are able to waste it on junk.
It's like Allaah Ta`aalaa says in the Qur'aan, about how people act:
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Designer labels are for people with small minds.
Generally, labelling people is the same thing.
Scimi
EDIT: in this very forum, I've been called Shia, Sufi, Deobandi, Ashari, and even Non Muslim faker...
...labels sure are amusing bro.
Water off a ducks back though.
Look bro, I do not like the opinions of those who identify as Rafid.
But let's not forget how the Prophet pbuh responded to the insults of the Quraish? He laughed with them, and when the sahabi became confused and asked why he was laughing when they (the quraish) were hurling abuse at him, he responded with "that is not my name, my name is Muhammad, and the person they are talking about is *enter derogatory name here*"
Now, if he could see the accusations as false and not worth taking seriously, why the heck are we?
Let's not forget, those who slander the pious dead, are worse because the dead cannot be alive today to defend themselves.
Now, why waste time on the living dead, like those trouble makers?
They will get their just dues, you know it, so do I.
Except that people have made up the labels themselves. People invented the label of "Shi`a" and pin that label to their shirt. "Proudly Shi`a". So, when we call them a Shi`a, we can't be said to be labeling them, can we? We're calling them what they call themselves.
Ahlus Sunnati wal Jama’ah represents the theology and methodology of the Prophet’s Companions (Allah be pleased with them).
However, politically the Prophet’s Companions had diverse views and tendencies.
I affiliate myself with the political views of the eminent Sahabi, Suleman b. Surad al-Khuza’i (Allah be pleased with him), who led the Tawwabun (penitent) movement.
So politically I affiliate myself with the ideology of the Tawwabun movement.
*Edit* The symbol of the Dhul Fiqar (forked sword) in my Avatar should be a major clue for you
So you follow the Tawwabun movement. What exactly does that mean, to you? You say you follow them politically. How is that affecting your actions? The Tawwabun was started by people who deserted Hadhrat Husain رضي الله عنه, and they tried to do things to make up for it. You were not involved in that entire affair. It happened over a thousand years before you were born. Why do you affiliate yourself to them? Also, what exactly is it that you do, as a member of the Tawwabun Movement?
So you follow the Tawwabun movement. What exactly does that mean, to you? You say you follow them politically. How is that affecting your actions? The Tawwabun was started by people who deserted Hadhrat Husain رضي الله عنه, and they tried to do things to make up for it. You were not involved in that entire affair. It happened over a thousand years before you were born. Why do you affiliate yourself to them? Also, what exactly is it that you do, as a member of the Tawwabun Movement?
The Tawwabun movement’s actions are history as you so nicely point out.
But I am affiliating myself with the thinking of the movement, the “political ideology” if you will.
It is characterized by rejection of Yazid b. Mu’awiya and the Umayyad government, and political allegiance to ‘Ali b. Abi Talib and his progeny, Hussain (Allah be pleased with them).
This is why the elders of Tawwabun wrote letters to Hussain (Allah be pleased with him), because they desired that he should come and lead them in Kufa. This is the political ideology that I am referring to and adhere to personally. I am an anti-Umayyad and believe that the political administration of the Muslim Ummah is most suitable for the Ahl-al-Bayt.
Now regrettably, the Tawwabun, due to fear of Yazid’s governor in Kufa and fear of retribution, did not muster up the courage to help Hussain (Allah be pleased with him) resulting in his tragic martyrdom on the plains of Karbala.
But they were redeemed after the martyrdom when they felt guilty and decided to repent for their failure to act. They took inspiration from the story of the Israelites who wanted to repent for having worshiped the Golden Calf. The way they decided to repent was to slay the idolaters who persisted in worship of the Golden Calf, through which they themselves would end up being killed.
Similarly, the Tawwabun made the right decision that they will fight and get revenge against the murderers of Hussain (Allah be pleased with him), and they knew that they would themselves end up being martyred in this noble cause, so the spilling of their own blood would be an atonement for their sin, so that their repentance would be complete and Allah will become happy with them.
The idea of the Tawwabun movement is still relevant today because people like me have the same political views that we must support the Ahl-al-Bayt and they are best suited for the political administration of the Ummah.
so.......whos shutting the thread down - doesnt this break forum rules??
13. No sectarian issues allowed. We are promoting the unity of Islam. Allah (Exalted is He) said in Surah Al-An'âm, verse 159:
Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad -- Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.
seriously its odd that mods forget what this forum is meant to be about? Just because the guys got "scholar" on his name doesn't give him a free pass?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
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