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    Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

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    Q- Questions is, Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) poisoned and if so why didnt Allah warn him as a messenger of God ?


    He was warned about this powerful poison by the foreleg itself which is Miracle no 1 and proved to the Jews he was that last Prophet they were expecting for a long time


    The second Miracle such a powerful poison that caused another companion to die on the spot immediately did not do any harm even a little Bit to Prophet Muhammad , (he did not vomit or felt weak to walk etc) to the Prophet which was the curiosity of the Jews fulfiling another great miracle to prove he was a Prophet .


    Prophet was living healthy normal life for the next 4 years and his Allah's given Prophesy on the last haj sermon that he may not be living the next year was to be full filled and also his wish to die as Martyr was also fulfilled when he told he felt affects of the Poison on the last Moments AFTER FOUR YEARS is a clear Miracle that the Poison did not harm him in any way for 4 years and if it harmed him may be it was the Decree of Allah to take him back as a Honoured Martyr as per his wish than as a Martyr on a battle field that could result in confusions and accusations from such people who try to find faults of Nabi .

    Do You think Allah will not accept his Most Beloved 's dua ??? So it happened as per his wish to die as martyr and as per this hadith

    Muslim (1909) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever asks Allah sincerely for martyrdom, Allaah will cause him to attain the status of the martyr, even if he dies in his bed.”

    All Prophets of God are given the choice to live or die before death and everyone gave their wishes so was Prophet

    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5990
    'A'isha, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), reported that he used to say: Never a prophet dies in a state that he is not made to see his abode in Paradise, and then given a choice. 'A'isha said that when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was about to leave the world, his head was over her thigh and he had fallen into swoon three times. When he felt relief his eyes were fixed at the ceiling. He then said: O Allah, along with the high companions (i. e. along with the Apostles who live in the most elevated place of the Paradise). (On hearing these words), I then said (to myself) He is not going to opt us and I remembered a hadith which he had narrated to us as he was healthy and in which he said: No prophet dies until he sees his abode in Paradise, he is then given a choice. 'A'isha said: These were the last words which Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) spoke (the words are): O Allah, with companions on High.

    Muslim :: Book 31 : Hadith 5988
    'A'isha reported: I heard that never a prophet dies until he is given an option to opt the life of (this) world or that of the Hereafter. She further said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say in his last illness in which he' died. I heard him saying in gruffness of the voice: Along with those persons upon whom Allah bestowed favours from amongst the Apostles, the testifiers of truth, the martyrs, the pious and goodly company are they (iv. 69). (It was on bearing these words) that I thought that he had been given choice (and he opted to live with these pious persons in the Paradise).




    Note : Even Musa a.s and Ibrahim a.s have their own comments during their last moments


    In short he lived in Miracles and his demise was also through Miracles.


    By the Grace of Allah We found that hadith which PROVES as it is claimed in this thread that Allah full filled the the wish of his last Prophet to die as a Martyr

    Astonished to just find a hadith from here on this issue from the Companion Ibn Masud

    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2011/...e-as-a-martyr/

    Ibn Masud (Allah be pleased with him) felt that the Prophet [peace be upon him] had died as a martyr, the delay in the poison’s effect being a prophetic miracle. Allah Most High thus preserved His beloved Messenger until his mission was completed, and then, to honor him, caused him to die a martyr. [al-Zurqani, Sharh Mawahib Laduniyya]


    NOTE : Hadiths from Ibn Masud :RA: has been especially guaranteed from Prophet himself during his life time
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Please use the PBUH in capital words because the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the Great Reformer and Messenger on the world.
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by adyiqbal View Post
    Please use the PBUH in capital words because the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the Great Reformer and Messenger on the world.


    Jazakallah Sister. it s always better to use in arabic I suppose. He is the Great Messenger and GREATEST Reformer we agree. But since I intend this thread pops up during google search , i had mentioned the salwat in english.

    Just for my info does writing in small alphabets pbuh , does it have different meaning than writing PBUH in capital letters ? or less dignified ? how ? just for my idea.

    Jazakallah khair
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    I'm not sister. My gender is male. But for respect, we should use in capital words. As you know that every famous thing and personality etc, start wit capital word. The Holy Prophet (PBUH) is everything for us. If we use in Arabic words, its more good. But choice is yours at the end I hope you get my point. He (PBUH) most most most famous personality.

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    No...
    Allah ascended him to jannah. He is immune to the poison

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by yes.i.am.muslim View Post
    No...
    Allah ascended him to jannah. He is immune to the poison
    True, Allah is Great. He is Knowing all things.

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    The story begins when prophet Muhammad conquered a city or a country, then a Jew lady wanted to give a gift as peace offering to prophet Muhammad and she put poison in his soup, then he ate it, then he died after 4 years. This story you can find on Wikipedia.

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    The story begins when prophet Muhammad conquered a city or a country, then a Jew lady wanted to give a gift as peace offering to prophet Muhammad and she put poison in his soup, then he ate it, then he died after 4 years. This story you can find on Wikipedia.
    Can you please give the authentic reference of Hadith or Quran???

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by adyiqbal View Post
    Please use the PBUH in capital words because the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the Great Reformer and Messenger on the world.
    On this forum, there are quick codes. If you type the following, : s a w s : but omit the spaces, you get . This is the best thing to use when mentioning the prophet among Muslims.
    When speaking to non-Muslims, we can use and explain once what it means, and then continue to use it.
    And Allah knows best.
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaanah View Post
    On this forum, there are quick codes. If you type the following, : s a w s : but omit the spaces, you get . This is the best thing to use when mentioning the prophet among Muslims.
    When speaking to non-Muslims, we can use and explain once what it means, and then continue to use it.
    And Allah knows best.
    Thank you dear, sharing such a nice information. JazakAllah.

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Let's consider the official authentic Islamic sources, without any commentary from myself, therefore, just the texts [highlighted, beginning with a Meccan Surah, which was around for some time]:

    Al Haqqah 69:44-51 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -



    ... [v.44] And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allah), [v.45] We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), [v.46] And then We certainly would have cut off his life artery (aorta), [v.47] And none of you could have withheld Us from (punishing) him. [v.48] And verily, this (Qur'an) is a Reminder for the Muttaqun (the pious. See V.2:2). [v.49] And verily, We know that there are some among you that belie (this Qur'an). (Tafsir At-Tabari) [v.50] And indeed it (this Qur'an) will be an anguish for the disbelievers (on the Day of Resurrection). [v.51] And verily, it (this Qur'an) is an absolute truth with certainty. ...”



    Al Haqqah 69:44-51 (Pickthall translation) -



    ... [v.44] And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, [v.45] We assuredly had taken him by the right hand [v.46] And then severed his life-artery, [v.47] And not one of you could have held Us off from him. [v.48] And lo! it is a warrant unto those who ward off [evil]. [v.49] And lo! We know that some among you will deny [it]. [v.50] And lo! it is indeed an anguish for the disbelievers. [v.51] And lo! it is absolute truth. ...”



    Al Haqqah 69:44-51 (Shakir translation) -



    ... [v.44] And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, [v.45] We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, [v.46] Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. [v.47] And not one of you could have withheld Us from him. [v.48] And most surely it is a reminder for those who guard [against evil]. [v.49] And most surely We know that some of you are rejecters. [v.50] And most surely it is a great grief to the unbelievers. [v.51] And most surely it is the true certainty ...”



    Al Haqqah 69:44-51 (Yusuf-Ali translation) -



    ... [v.44] And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name, [v.45] We should certainly seize him by his right hand, (5669) [v.46] And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: (5670) [v.47] Nor could any of you with him (5671) (from Our wrath). [v.48] But verily this is a Message for the Allah-fearing. [v.49] And We certainly know that there are amongst you those that reject (it). [v.50] But truly (Revelation) is a cause of sorrow (5672) for the Unbelievers. [v.51] But verily it is Truth (5673) of assured certainty. ...”



    ... (5669) - The right hand is the hand of power and action. Anyone who is seized by his right hand is prevented from acting as he wishes or carrying out his purpose. The argument is that if an imposter were to arise, he would soon be found out. He could not carry out his fraud indefinitely.



    (5670) - This would effectually stop the function of his life. ...”




    Al Haqqah 69:44-46 (Sahih International translation) -



    ... [44] And if he [i.e., Muhammad] had made up about Us some [false] sayings, [45] We would have seized him by the right hand; 1617 [46] Then We would have cut from him the aorta. 1618

    1618 Causing immediate death.


    Al Haqqah 69:44-46 (Dawood translation) -



    ... [44] Had he invented lies concerning Us, [45] We would have seized him by the right hand [46] and severed his heart's vein. ...”

    etc.


    Tafsir al-Jalalayn on Surah 69:44-51 -



    ... [69:44] And had he, namely, the Prophet (s), fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said, [69:45] We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power; [69:46] then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery, the aorta of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results in that person’s death, [69:47] and not one of you (ahadin is the subject of mā, min being extra, used to emphasise the negation; minkum is a circumstantial qualifier referring to ahadin) could have defended him (hājizīna is the predicate of [the preceding] mā, and it is used in the plural because ahad, when employed in a negatory context, denotes a plural sense; the [suffixed] pronoun in ‘anhu refers to the Prophet), in other words, there is none to prevent Us from punishing him. [69:48] And assuredly it, that is, the Qur’ān, is a reminder for the God-fearing. [69:49] And assuredly We know that some of you, O people, are deniers, of the Qur’ān, and [some of you are] believers [in it]. [69:50] And assuredly it, that is, the Qur’ān, is a [cause of] anguish for the disbelievers, when they see the reward of those who affirmed its truth and the punishment of those who denied it. [69:51] And assuredly it, that is, the Qur’ān, is the certain truth. ...”





    Sahih al-Bukhari. Volume 3, Book 47, Number 786 -


    ... Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle. ...”


    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 394 -


    ... Narrated Abu Huraira: When Khaibar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophets as a gift (by the Jews). The Prophet ordered, “Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.” The Jews were collected and the Prophet said (to them), “I am going to ask you a question. Will you tell the truth?” They said, “Yes.” The Prophet asked, “Who is your father?” They replied, “So-and-so.” He said, “You have told a ie; your father is so-and-so.” They said, “You are right.” He said, “Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?” They replied, “Yes, O AbuAl-Qasim; and if we should tell a lie, you can realize our lie as you have done regarding our father.” On that he asked, “Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?” They said, “We shall remain in the (Hell) Fire for a short period, and after that you will replace us.” The Prophet said, “You may be cursed and humiliated in it! By Allah, we shall never replace you in it.” Then he asked, “Will you now tell me the truth if I ask you a question?” They said, “Yes, O Ab Li-AI-Qasim.” He asked, “Have you poisoned this sheep?” They said, “Yes.” He asked, “What made you do so?” They said, “We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would get rid of you, and if you are a prophet then the poison would not harm you.” ...”


    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 669 -


    ... Narrated Abu Huraira: When Khaibar was conquered, Allah's Apostle was presented with a poisoned (roasted) sheep. Allah's Apostle said, “Collect for me all the Jews present in this area.” (When they were gathered) Allah's Apostle said to them, “I am going to ask you about something; will you tell me the truth?” They replied, “Yes, O Abal-Qasim!” Allah's Apostle said to them, “Who is your father?” They said, “Our father is so-and-so.” Allah's Apostle said, “You have told a lie. for your father is so-and-so,” They said, “No doubt, you have said the truth and done the correct thing.” He again said to them, “If I ask you about something; will you tell me the truth?” They replied, “Yes, O Abal-Qasim! And if we should tell a lie you will know it as you have known it regarding our father,” Allah's Apostle then asked, “Who are the people of the (Hell) Fire?” They replied, “We will remain in the (Hell) Fire for a while and then you (Muslims) will replace us in it” Allah's Apostle said to them. “You will abide in it with ignominy. By Allah, we shall never replace you in it at all.” Then he asked them again, “If I ask you something, will you tell me the truth?” They replied, “Yes.” He asked. “Have you put the poison in this roasted sheep?” They replied, “Yes,” He asked, “What made you do that?” They replied, “We intended to learn if you were a liar in which case we would be relieved from you, and if you were a prophet then it would not harm you.” ...”


    Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Chapter 17, Number 5430 -


    ... Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah's Messenger. ...”


    Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Chapter 17, Number 5431 -


    ... Anas b. Malik reported that a Jewess brought poisoned meat and then served it to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ...”


    Ibn Ishaq, The Life Of Muhammad, A Translation of Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, pages 515-516 paragraphs 764-765 -


    [page 515 paragraph 764] “... *The apostle besieged the people of Khaybar in their two forts al-Watih and al-Sulalim until when they could hold out no longer they asked him to let them go, and spare their lives, and he did so. Now the apostle had taken possession of all their property -- al-Shaqq, Nata,and al-Katiba and all their forts -- except what appertained to these two.* When the people of Fadak heard of what had happened they sent to the apostle asking him to let them go and to spare their lives and they would leave him their property, and he did so. The one who acted as intermediary was Muhayyisa b. Mas'ud, brother of B. Haritha. [1] When the people of Khaybar surrendered on these conditions they asked the apostle to employ them on the property with half share in the produce, saying, 'We know more about it than you and we are better farmers.' The apostle agreed to this arrangement on the condition that 'if we wish to expel you we will expel you.' He made a similar arrangement with the men of Fadak. So Khaybar became [page 515-516 paragraph 764-765]



    * ...* Cf. Baladhuri, p. 25. He quotes 'Abdullah b. Abu Bakr as I.I.'s authoroty.
    [1] Cf. Bal. 29 f.


    [page 516 paragraph 764-765] “... the prey of the Muslims, while Fadak was the personal property of the apostle because they had not driven horses or camels against it. [1]


    When the apostle had rested Zaynab d. al-Harith, the wife of Sallam b. Mishkam prepared for him a roast lamb, having first inquired what joint he preferred. When she learned that it was the shoulder she put a lot of poison in it and poisoned the whole lamb. Then she brought it in and placed it before him. he took hold of the shoulder and chewed a morsel of it, but he did not swallow it. Bishr b. al-Bara' b. Ma'rur who was with him took some of it as the apostle had done, but he swallowed it, while the apostle spat it out, saying, 'This bone tells me that it is poisoned.' Then he called for the woman and she confessed, and when he asked her what had induced her to do this she answered: 'You know what you have done to my people. I said to myself, If he is a king I shall ease myself of him and if he is a prophet he will be informed (of what I have done).' So the apostle let her off. Bishr died from what he had eaten.



    Marwan b. 'Uthman b. Abu Sa'id b. al-Mu'alla told me: The apostle had said in his illness of which he was to die when Umm Bishr d. al-Bara' came to visit him, 'O Umm Bishr, this is the time in which I feel a deadly pain from what I ate with you brother at Khaybar.' The muslims considered that the apostle died as a martyr in addition to the prophetic office with which God had honoured him.



    Having finished with Khaybar, the apostle went to Wadi'l-Qura and besieged its people for some nights, then he left to return to Medina. …


    [1] Cf. Surah 17:66, i.e. captured it by force of arms.” [page 516 paragraph 765]


    Ibn Sa'd, page 252 -


    ... The Apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab Bint al-Harith and said to her: What induced you to do what you have done? She replied: You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle, and my husband, so I said to myself: If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said: If you are a king, we will get rid of you. ...”


    The Battles of the Prophet, by Ibn Kathir, translated by Wa'il 'Abdul Mut'aal Shihab, page 144 -


    ... A Poisoned Sheep Gifted to the Messenger


    At Khaibar, the Jews cooked a sheep containing poison and presented it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).


    In his Sahih, Al-Bukhari narrated Abu Hurairah's saying: When Khaibar was conquered, a (cooked) sheep containing poison was given as a present to Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).



    [T. 'Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said, “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in his ailment in which he died, used to say,



    'O 'Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison.'” ...”




    Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 5, Book 38, Chapter 6, Number 4513 -


    ... 4513. It was narrated from 'Abdur-Razzaq: “Ma'mar informed us, from Az-Zuhri, from the son of Ka'b bin Malik, from his father, that Umm Mubashshir said to the Prophet, during his final illness: 'O Messenger of Allah, what do you think is the cause of your illness? I cannot think of anything that caused my son's illness except the poisoned sheep that he ate with you at Khaibar.' The Prophet said: 'And I do not think there is anything wrong with me except that, but now it has cut off my aorta.'” (Sahih) ...”



    Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 5, Book 38, Chapter 6, Number 4512 -


    ... 4512. Wahb bin Baqiyyah narrated to us, from Khalid, from Muhammad bin 'Amr, from Abu Salamah, from Abu Hurairah, who said: “The Messenger of Allah used to accept gifts but he did not eat (that which was given in) charity.” And Wahb bin Baqiyyah narrated to us, elsewhere, from Khalid, from Muhammad bin 'Amr, that Abu Salamah – and he did not mention Abu Hurairah – said: “The Messenger of Allah used to accept gifts, but he did not eat (that which was given in) charity.” And he added: “A Jewish woman in Khaibar gave him a roasted sheep that she had poisoned, and the Messenger of Allah ate from it, as did the people. he said: 'Lift up your hands (meaning, stop eating), for it has told me that it is poisoned.' Bishr bin Al-Bara' bin Ma'rur Al-Ansari died (of that poison), and he senr word to the Jewish woman asking: 'What made you do what you did?' She said: 'If you were a Prophet it would not harm you, and if you were a king the people would have been rid of you.' The Messenger of Allah ordered that she be killed, then he said during his final illness: 'I continued to feel pain because of the morsel that I ate at Khaibar, but now it has cut off my aorta.'” (Hasan) ...”



    Ibn Sa'd, pages 252-253 -


    ... The Apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr Ibn al-Bara took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the Apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the Apostle of Allah said: Hold back your hands! Because this foreleg has informed me that it is poisoned. Thereupon Bishr said: By Him Who hath made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from spitting it out, but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth, I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong. Bishr did not rise from his seat but his color changed to that of taylsan (a green cloth) ...”



    At-Tabari, page 124 -



    ... The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died – the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him – “Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar. ...”



    Sunan Ibn Majah, Volume 2, Book 6, Chapter 64, Number 1622 -


    ... 1622. 'Aishah said: “I never saw anyone suffer more pain than the Messenger of Allah.” (Sahih) ...”



    Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 197 -



    ... Narrated 'Aisha: “When the ailment of the Prophet became aggravated and his disease became severe, he asked his wives to permit him to be nursed (treated) in my house. So they gave him the permission. Then the Prophet came (to my house) with the support of two men, and his legs were dragging on the ground, between 'Abbas, and another man.” 'Ubaid-Ullah (the sub narrator) said, “I informed 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas of what'Aisha said. Ibn 'Abbas said: 'Do you know who was the other man?' I replied in the negative. Ibn 'Abbas said, 'He was 'Ali (bin Abi Talib).” 'Aisha further said, “When the Prophet came to my house and his sickness became aggravated he ordered us to pour seven skins full of water on him, so that he might give some advice to the people. So he was seated in a Mikhdab (brass tub) belonging to Hafsa, the wife of the Prophet. Then, all of us started pouring water on him from the water skins till he beckoned to us to stop and that we have done (what he wanted us to do). After that he went out to the people.” ...”


    As Suyuti The History of the Caliphs, internal pagination [81-82]; PDF pages 111-112 -



    "... [page 81; 111] Sayf and al Hakim record on the authority of Ibn Omar that the cause of the death of Abu Bakr was through excessive grief for the death [page 81; 111 - 82; 112] of the Apostle of God, his body continuing to waste away until he died. And Ibn Saa'd and al Hakim on good authorities from Ibn Shihab, that Abu Bakr and al Harith-b-Kaladah* were eating broth which had been sent as a present to Abu Bakr, when al Harith said to Abu Bakr, "with-draw thy hand, O Vicegerent of the Apostle of God, for by Allah, there is poison in it, that will do its work in a year, and I and thou shall both die on the sam day." And he withdrew his hand, and these two did not fail to sicken until they died on the same day about the close of the year. And al Hakim from Shaa'bi that he said, "what can we expect from this vile world when even the Apostle of God was poisoned and posioned was Abu Bakr?" ..."
    As Suyuti The History of the Caliphs, internal pagination [144, notation]; PDF page 174, notation -

    "... [page 144; 174] Bishr-b-u'l Bara-b-Ma'rur the Companion, an Ansar of the tribe of Khazraj, He was present at Akabah, Badr, and Ohud and died at Khaybar from eating of the sheep of which Muhammad partook and which the Jews are said to have posioned, Some say he died at once, others after great suffering. An Nawawi. ..."

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    As-Salāmu ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi wa Barakātuhu, dear sisters and brothers.

    Forgive me, but I don’t have time to go into this matter at length. Perhaps this will suffice:

    There are those who believe - and would have the Muslims believe - that Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) was a false prophet, brought down by Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) by means of a poison administered some years before his death.

    They would have us believe that Al-Haqqa: 44-47 is a prophecy concerning this death.

    It is not.

    Consider these verses:

    ‘So I swear by what you can see and by what you cannot see: this (Qur’an) is the speech of an honoured messenger, not the words of a poet - how little you believe! - nor the words of a soothsayer - how little you reflect! This (Qur’an) is a message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds: if (the Prophet) had attributed some fabrication to Us, We would certainly have seized his right hand and cut off his lifeblood, ** and none of you could have defended him. This (Qur’an) is a reminder for those who are aware of Allāh. We know that some of you consider it to be lies - this will be a source of bitter regret for the disbelievers - but it is in fact the certain Truth. So (Prophet) glorify the name of your Lord, the Almighty.’ (Al-Haqqa: 38-52).

    ** Literally ‘artery’.

    Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) is addressing those Meccan polytheists who accuse the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) of being a liar; a mere poet inventing stories; and a magician.

    The Exalted swears by all things (the seen and the unseen) that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is an ‘honoured messenger’; honoured by whom? By his Lord. The Exalted makes it plain that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) has fabricated nothing; has spoken only the truth.

    There is no prophecy here. But there is one here:

    ‘In the name of Allāh, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy. By the morning brightness and by the night when it grows still, your Lord has not forsaken you (Prophet), nor does He hate you, and the last shall be better for you than the first; your Lord is sure to give you so much that you will be well satisfied.’ (Al-Duha: 1-5).

    The ‘last’ referred to in these verses is, of course, Paradise.

    Seyyed Hossein Nasr reminds us that: ‘Throughout the Quran the Abode of the Hereafter is considered better for human beings than the abode of this world (see also 16: 30, 41; 28: 60, 79– 80; 29: 64; 40: 39; 42: 36; 43: 35; 57: 20– 21; 87: 16– 17). Compared to the Hereafter, the life of the world is but (fleeting) enjoyment…..It is reported that when the Prophet was given the choice between remaining in this life until the end of time and then going to Paradise or moving on to the Hereafter, he chose being with God over life in this world.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).

    This Surah was revealed before Al-Haqqa. Why would Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) promise Paradise to a false prophet? He would not!
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?



    I did not go into detail of the poster 'Desireforages' or something quotes the ayat of feeling severing the aorta , people should understand that The Glorious Quran was revealed to the Arabs as easy as possible to them to understand so for this sake even Prophet requested it be revealed in many dialects of the local different arabs of different part of Arabia and so Allah revealed even in seven dialects JUST TO MAKE THE UNDERSTAND EASILY AND VERY CLEARLY

    So similarly are the words of ' feeling of the severing of Aorta '' was a idiom '' meaning great pain

    idiom meanss https://www.google.co.th/search?q=id...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    id·i·om
    ˈidēəm/
    noun
    [COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

    • 1.
      a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., rain cats and dogs, see the light ).


      synonyms: language, mode of expression, turn of phrase, style, speech, locution, diction, usage, phraseology, phrasing, phrase, vocabulary, terminology, parlance, jargon, argot, cant, patter, tongue, vernacular; informallingo
      "these musicians all work in the gospel idiom"






    So there are idioms in every language which is an undisputable fact and the Arabs has the Most as seen in dialects hadiths which i have posted here



    So people with common sense should understand this and should not take everything literally and avoid any further arguing on a absurd argument like this.

    And If (naudhubillah , May Allah forgive me '' if he was a false prophet

    1)why should Allah grant him 23 more years to propagate Islam and

    2) why THE GREATEST SUCCESS Of UNITING THE ever fighting CAMEL HERDERS BEDOUINS ARABS AS 1 COMMUNITY (ref : Michael Hart 'The Most influential person in world is '' Muhammad '' ) THROUGH ISLAM ? and

    3) WHY SHOULD ALLAH GIVE THEM A INCREDIBLE SUCCESS FROM RAGS TO RICHES MAKING THEM THE SUPER POWER OF THE WORLD BEATING BOTH THE BYZANTINE & PERSIA in just 35 years like a dream (like Nepal or Bhutan or a lower country than that beats both USA and RUSSIA to become the world super power in 35 years ) as PROPHESIED by the LAST PROPHET which came 100 % true ,


    4) and will a false Prophet Prophesize this lol. ?


    see dueteronomy about a false Prophet which an anti Islamists could not hide



    People must use common sense
    before alleging anything or they should accept their ignorance .
    thanks
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    My Sect : No Sect

    My Aqeedha : Aqeedha of Sahabas as in http://legacy.quran.com/112

    Just a Muslim with Glorious Quran and (hadith) sunnah as my guide as in verse 41:33 '' And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims."

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    There are several responders to this thread, which seem to have missed the pointed question of the OP, and have gone into unnecessary apologetical re-interpretations of al Haqqah 69:44-51, especially of ayat, 44-47 therein. All of that was and is unecessary to the OP's question, and to my own post, which was without comment, and simply a specific re-citation of the authenitc Islamic sources, from a Qur'anic, aHadith, Tafsir, and historical materials.

    In respectful response to Grandad [I assume you are ag-ed because of the User Name, and thus give due respect where age appears], nowhere in my personal response was anything cited about al Haqqah 69:44-51 being a "prophecy" [and I know you did not say in your response that I had said it, but you said, "... there are those who believe ..." [without identifying them specifically], but I simply point this out]. However, since it [the word "prophecy"] was brought up by Grandad, I would like to point out, that it too is non-sequitur [it does not follow [logically]], since al Haqqah 69:44-51 does not deal in "prophecy" [as stated], but rather instead with a 'promise', based upon condition ["... [44] if ... [46] ... then ..."], by the Islamic "Allah" to 'Abu al Qasim', and to no one else [hence [al-Hilali-Khan] ayah 44, "... if he (Muhammad) ...", ayah 45, "... seized him by his right hand ...", and ayah 46, "cut off his life artery (aorta)."

    The "... if ... then ..." can therefore call into account anything of "honoured" of the past/present [which is no guarantee of any future standing], if it violates the condition, even as Balaam [Numbers 22 through 24, and 31:8,16; Deuteronomy 23:4,5; Joshua 13:22, 24:9,10; Nehemiah 13:2; Micah 6:5; 2 Peter 2:15; Jude 1:11; Revelation 2:14 KJB], and others of old did. Balaam was once a "prophet" of JEHOVAH, but a condition was met, wherein it broke such a relationship, and as Peter says, "... forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;" [2 Peter 2:15 KJB], "... was rebuked for his iniquity ... the madness of the prophet." [2 Peter 2:16 KJB]; and Jude says, "... after the error of Balaam for reward ..."

    There are numerous passages of any qur'anic text and aHadith [Sahih],a nd Tafsir, which demonstrate the conditional aspect of the Islamic "Allah's" promises, in the many "if ... then's". Citations upon request.

    The question then becomes, in the light of the OP's question, did Abu al Qasim, mean what he said, in regards the effects of the poison [as cited by numerous authenitc Islamic sources, even Sahih narrations], and did others collectively remember correctly those statements about his death, and how he died, and what he, himself, said about his "life artery (aorta)", being "cut/severed" by the "poison" administered to him at Khaybar in a piece of meat.

    Other passages are fine to go to [ie. Al Duha 93:1-5, but all are in the context of the conditions laid down, whether beforehand, or afterwards given, as those in al Haqqah. Also, since "abrogation" takes place in the Islamic ideology [see Al Baqara 2:106 [al-Hilali-Khan, Shakir, etc], Al Nahl 16:101 [Al-Hilali-Khan]; Al Nisa' 4:15 and al-Hilali-Khan notation [1]; Al Ra'd 13:36-39 [al-Hilali-Khan]; Al A'la 87:6-7 [al-Hilali-Khan], Sahih al Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 8, 32, 33, 34, 53, 54, 60, 68, 69, 100, 114, 285, 289; Volume 7, Book 70, Number 562, see also Sahih Muslim in just the T.O.C. alone, etc]], there is further consideration of any text which seems to be unconditional in and of itself, but when sought out in the whole, may be found to be abrogated, superceded, forgotten and replaced, etc. Do any of the other passages deal with the matter immediately at hand with what is specifically stated, or is it merely a looking for loopholes, a brushing aside the facts? I cannot answer that for anyone, nor accuse anyone. I happen to deal with the same in the other forums I respond in. People can also re-interpret all they want, and that is their prerogative, but is it sound to do so, especially, when a Qur'an claims for itself to be 'mubeen' ("perspicuous"; Al Shu'ara 26:195) of itself, and that the narrations cited in al Bukhari, Muslim, etc are generally "Sahih", in that they record the exact sayings of Abu al Qasim, without need for re-interpretation some 1300 years later by a 'scholar', or 'personal individual'. Abu al Qasim used the words "life artery (aorta)" and being "cut/severed" in relation to the "poison". The question then becomes how does it fit with what is stated in al Haqqah 69:44-51 by the Islamic "Allah" sent down to the very person which uses those words to describe his own suffering unto death in the Sahih narrations.

    Please notice, that I was not the one, orginally, who needed all of the extra commentary to explain these things. I simply cited the specific references, using the very words that are found in a qur'an and the aHadith, etc, which apparently no one before me [a Seventh-day Adventist], did. That I find odd. Any may of course cite the Arabic, but doing so, only makes what was present in the authentic Islamic sources that much more mubeen.

    Therefore, the "if ... then ..." comes into play, since the life of Abu al Qasim was not spotless, as He Himself relates, see:

    Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 760 [sectioned] - "Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet used to say frequently in his bowing and prostrations ... O Allah! Forgive me."

    Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 781 - basically same as above

    Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 21, Number 221 [sectioned] - "Narrated Ibn Abbas: When the Prophet got up at night to offer the Tahajjud prayer, he used to say ... O Allah! ... I ... repent to You ... Please forgive me my previous And future sins; And whatever I concealed or revealed ..."

    Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 75, Number 319 [sectioned] - "Narrated Abu Huraira: ... I ask forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance more than seventy times a day."

    Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Chapter 118, Number 1691 [sectioned] - "Ibn Abbas reported that when the Messenger of Allah ... got up during the night to pray, he used to say: O Allah ... I return to Thee fir repentance ... so forgive me my eariler and later sins, the sins that I committed in secret and openly. ..."

    Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Chapter 118, Number 1695 [sectioned] - "'Ali b. Abu Talib reported that when the Messenger of Allah ... got up at night for prayer he would say ... I wronged myself and make a confession of my Sin. Forgive all my sins, for no one forgives the sins but Thee ... Remove sins from me, for none else but Thou can remove sins from me ... I seek forgiveness from Thee and turn to Thee in repentance: and when he would bow, he would say: O Allah, it is for Thee that I bowed ... Forgive me of the earlier and later open and secret (sins) and that where I made transgression and that Thou knowest better than I ..."

    Sahih Muslim, Book 035, Chapter 17, Number 6563 [sectioned] - "Abu Musa Ash'ari reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle ... used to supplicate in these words: "O Allah, forgive me my faults, my ignorance, my immoderation in my concerns. ... O Allah, grant me forgiveness (of the faults which I committed) seriously or otherwise (and which I committed inadvertently and deliberately). All these (failings) are in me. O Allah, grant me forgiveness from the fault which I did in haste or deferred, which I committed in privacy or in public ..."

    We also know by a Qur'an, in Al Hajj 22:52-53 in relation to Al Najm 53:19-20, the "Gharaniq" [see also Ibn Kathir, etc], in respect to Ibn Ishaq's historical work pages 161-167; paragraphs 233-240, which cites directly al Hajj 22:52 in relation to them, wherein we see that the pagan Arabs called him "Mudhammam" in derogation, before the "casting" of the Shaytan, but once "cast" they rejoiced to be accepted, Afterwards, it was abrogated, and again the mocking continued.

    We also know that a Qur'an Al Falaq 113:1-2, in seeking the Islamic Allah, Abu al Qasim was not therefore protected by these ayat which say, "[1] Say: "I seek refuge in the Lord of the daybreak, [2] "From the evil of what He has created,", and the Tafsir of al-Jalalayn commenting on ayah 2, says, "... and non-obligated ones from all inanimates, such as poison and so on ...", since it is obvious from the official authenitc Islamic sources, Abu al Qasim eventually died from the poison, offered at Khaybar, in terrible agonies.

    Some questions may be asked, for isntance, why didn't Jibr'il warn him, or why didn't the Islamic "Allah" send an ayah down to beware, or even his top Companions from using their logic in suggesting it may not be good to accept such a gift from a defeated peoples, or why weren't the 'Awja dates eaten that morning, see Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 663, 664; Sahih Muslim, Book 023, Chapter 25, Number 5081, etc since it was to protect against "poison" itself?

    We also know that Abu al Qasim was even affected by sorcery, Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 490; Volume 7, Book 71, Number 658, 660, 661; Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Chapter 16, Number 5428, 5429 and so on. How could sorcery affect him, if he was under the immediate protection of the Islamic "Allah", or could it possibly have to do with the condition of "... if ... then ..." and unconfessed sins, etc?

    We can also know that according to Islamic sources Abu al Qasim has not yet crossed the As Sirat, though it is said of him [not by Islamic "Allah"] that, "I will be the first to cross it", Sahih al Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 577, etc, but the question then is, Who promised him that?, and where is such a promise found in those words in any Qur'an?]

    So, in a Qur'an there are many promises, but notice the conditional statment in al Haqqah 69:44-51 again, "... if ... then ...", and then notice what would happen if those conditions were met, in regards the cutting of the life artery (aorta), and what Abu al Qasim said in regards the effect of the posion upon his own life.

    Al An'am 6:15 - "Say: "I would, if I disobeyed my Lord, indeed have fear of the penalty of a Mighty Day."

    Al An'am 6:17 - "If Allah touch thee with affliction, none can remove it but He ..."

    Was there any remedy found for the poison from Khaybar? Was there anything that the Ummah, Companions or even 'Aisha herself could do to heal, or to cause to cease the degeneration from the poison? If there is, please cite that documentation that I and all may consider it. I am not against documentation of official authenitc Islamic sources, but I am against personal interpretation of either any qur'an or any Sahih aHadith. It is either mubeen or not.

    It seems pretty obvious just from those authentic Islamic sources themselves, without needing to have another interpreter inbetween the qur'anic ayat, the a Hadith, etc and the reader. That would exclude myself, Grandad, Talibilm, etc. Remember, mubeen, perspicuous.

    As for the response of Talibilm, and "idiom", it still would not change what is stated in both the qur'anic passage and the aHadith, etc. For they would be using the same 'idiom" together, and so Abu al Qasim used it properly in both instances even if "idiom". I might say more, as needful, about the response of Talibilm, however, I think the signature of Grandad fits best here, since the response itself is very Daif.

    Finally, I [a Seventh-day Adventist] would not for a moment suggest that I would need to utilize Al Haqqah 69:44-51 primarily in order to test whether or not Abu al Qasinm was true or false, but if I were to attempt such a case either for or against, I would utilize scripture [KJB], namely Isaiah 8:20 primarily, among other such texts and tests [as the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD [YHVH, JEHOVAH], as it was not merely for the 'Jews', but all mankind from the beginning; and others not to be cited here, as it is not the purpose of this thread at all, though I believe I have answered the OP more effectively than anyone else so far, without boasting] and possibly even Matthew 24:26 KJB.

    No harshness, just looking for documentation, facts, rather than speculation. I am done responding with this thread, since I believe I have provided what the OP was looking for originally.

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    The prophet didn't die with poison just like Jesus pbuh didn't die on the cross - deal with it.

    Its pretty clear you dont know what your talking about when it comes to Islamic sciences and how Muslims utilize them. Its probably the same with Christian texts.

    Besides non of these polemics are convincing me that the seventh day advent church is true - is that sect of Christianity or is it Mormonism? Just shows that you good at copy and pasting stuff with zero grounding in sound Islamic reasoning.

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    No harshness, just looking for documentation, facts, rather than speculation. I am done responding with this thread, since I believe I have provided what the OP was looking for originally.
    You didn't even define what documented fact was in the first place?
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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Desire of Ages View Post
    No harshness, just looking for documentation, facts, rather than speculation. I am done responding with this thread, since I believe I have provided what the OP was looking for originally.

    The gist of post # 14 of @
    Desire of Ages seems like he wants to portray that the Prophet was a sinner (naudhubillah, may Allah forgive me for this) and thats why he prayed to Allah to forgive him and that's why he had a painful death. see the hadith at last the answer

    This is because the Non believers do not even understand
    the Essence of Why Prophet hood Or Why he is the messenger of Allah and Why we have to follow the sunnah (the way) of Prophet

    If Prophet did not do MISTAKES AT ALL then he is not Human , then if he is not human he cant be THE BEST example to Humans as Allah lauds him in the glorious Quran. But All his mistakes have been already exposed by Allah in his book

    Not ONLY All the Prophets are forgiven but even their close companions have been forgiven then why should Prophet Muhammad ,
    THE MOST BELOVED OR HABIB OF ALLAH should seek forgiveness for himself from Allah ??

    Its because he came to lead the Ummah how to behave and how to repent when the Pure Forgiven Prophet REPENTS and also the words we must use Which is called the Dua Which is a sunnah we must follow.
    THAT'S HOW HE BECAME THE HABIB OF ALLAH WITH THE MOST TROUBLED & SUFFERED PROPHET AMONG PROPHETS

    Might be this answer will not be enough to prove my point. Lets see a Dua of Prophet from Hadith which is Allahumma inni audhubika minal Kufr Wal faqr MEANING ' Oh Allah Protect me from Kufr & Poverty '

    Lets ponder here did Prophet do even just a BIT of Kufr ??? NO Never

    So why the dua ???

    Did Prophet love riches ?? No , he ever told he loved to live among poor and die among poor and how many palaces did
    the greatest Ruler of Arabia leave for his most beloved daughter Fathima :RA: ??

    He left only his white mule on which he used to ride, and his weapons, and a piece of land which he gave in charity for the needy travelers. (Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 738) !!!

    THIS LINK SHOWS IT A WORLD RECORD FOR ANY RULER TO HAVE LIVED IN SUCH A POVERTY

    https://www.quora.com/Did-the-prophet-Muhammad-live-in-poverty

    So Why Prophet did pray - Dua to save from Poverty ?

    THE ANSWER IS < ITS FOR THE UMMAH (YOU & ME) TO LEARN FROM THE LAST PROPHET OF ALLAH SINCE SCHOLARS explain THAT FAQR OR POVERTY IS SUCH A desperate situation that can land one into kufr. So Prophet did that dua to teach
    his beloved UMMAH (more beloved than Fathima RA) that we be careful from them

    And i heard from scholars saying that severing of the Aorta was an expression of the Arabs to imply the greatest pain , so why the greatest pain to Prophet ?? (not for the sins as some ignorant may think) , that you can infer from the Prophet himself of a near similar topic in this hadith

    Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 70 :: Hadith 564

    Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud:
    I visited Allah's Apostle while he was suffering from a high fever. I touched him with my hand and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You have a high fever." Allah's Apostle said, "Yes, I have as much fever as two men of you have." I said, "Is it because you will get a double reward?" Allah's Apostle said, "Yes, no Muslim is afflicted with harm because of sickness or some other inconvenience, but that Allah will remove his sins for him as a tree sheds its leaves."




    @Desire of Ages

    Can you prove that the word Yahweh was used by the jews to call God before the birth of Prophet Muhammad ?
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    Re: Was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Poisoned ?


    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    Subhaan-Allah, I am surprised to see this attack of the enemies! Due to lack of time I couldn't read all posts but am struck with wonder to see the use of this story of poisoning to falsify the Prophethood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. His Prophethood is as manifest as the Sunlight. If the Sun-light cannot be covered with the hands of anyone, so the Prophethood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wasallam cannot be covered with any words.


    The true Hadeeth given in this thread is that the meat/bone- part had spoken to the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) that it was poisoned so he didn’t eat it. Ihad heard this hadeeth many years ago. It was said that the meat was from the scapular region as Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam liked meat from scapula (and Allah knows the best). When he sat to eat, the meat spoke out, “Don’t eat me, I am poisoned”. (Allah knows best the exact words of the hadeeth). So he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam didn’t eat it. Obviously, the miracle would prevent him from eating that poisoned meat.



    O Muslims, please don’t go into contradictory statements. When he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was informed by the meat that it was poisoned then how can you expect that he ate from it?


    Please remember that all of the Prophets were “Shaheed”. So Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was not in need of eating the poison to become Shaheed. Therefore, don’t bring the saying of Ibn. Mas’ood rAa to confirm that he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam ate poison and died due to that poison after 4 years. Who can prove the truth of the words attached to Ibn. Mas’ood rAa. That is not a Hadeeth and that is contradicting the hadeeth about poisoning.

    O Muslims, please use your minds and see a hadeeth in the light of the Holy Quraan. But that you can do only when you thoroughly know the Holy Quraan. And most of you never try to know the Holy Quraan, alas! So then better is to keep quiet and do not mess up with the ahaadeeth. Thank you!

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    As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, brother.

    You write:

    ‘I heard from scholars saying that severing of the Aorta was an expression of the Arabs to imply the greatest pain.’

    Indeed. The medieval scholar al-Zamakhshari tells us that reference to the aorta, in our context, could also be used (metaphorically) to denote a person’s death from whatever cause.’ (cf: ‘The Foundation of Eloquence’; pages 121-122).

    I was once a collier in the Rhondda Valley (South Wales). Because of the nature of the coal in our pit much of the hewing and loading had to be done by hand (rather than machine), using a sledge hammer, pick and shovel. Each tool had a hole drilled about six inches from the end of its shaft. At the end of the shift an iron bar was threaded through these holes, and a lock attached. This prevented theft.

    The expression: ‘The tools are on the bar, boys’ was used of someone who was seriously ill (for whatever reason), and close to death. A common answer to the question: ‘What did so-and-so die of, then?’ was: ‘Shortness of breath’, a reference to pneumoconiosis, a restrictive lung disease caused - in our case - by the daily inhalation of fine coal dust. Without knowledge of historical context such expressions would be meaningless…even ridiculous. The same, of course, applies to Arab idioms.

    Desire of Ages asks: ‘Was there any remedy found for the poison from Khaybar? Was there anything that the Ummah, Companions or even 'Aisha herself could do to heal, or to cause to cease the degeneration from the poison?’

    Clearly, he is assuming that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) died as a result of poison administered some four years earlier. Perhaps he can tell us what type of poison was potent enough to kill one of the Prophet’s Companions immediately, but not the Prophet himself? I know of no such poison (that was readily available in his day).

    Olav Spigset writes:

    ‘The only drug group for which relatively clear-cut evidence of involvement in the formation and rupture of aortic aneurysms exists, is the glucocorticoids. In addition, there is inconsistent evidence from epidemiological studies regarding whether the various antihypertensive drug classes protect against or in fact may precipitate growth and ruptures of aortic aneurysms.

    ‘Prospective controlled clinical trials in this area are urgently needed to elucidate this issue. Drug groups implicated in aortic dissection include those known to increase systemic blood pressure, such as phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors like sildenafil, and vascular endothelial growth factor inhibitors like sorafenib, sunitinib and bevacizumab. Moreover, abrupt discontinuation of antihypertensive drugs known to cause rebound hypertension after cessation of therapy, such as beta-blockers, may also cause aortic dissection. In addition, single case reports exist for a few other drugs.

    ‘Finally, illicit drugs such as cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine and ecstasy are associated with acute aortic dissections, with relative risk increases in the order of magnitude of about 2-3. Thus, the increased risk of aortic dissection for these substances is presumably considerably higher than for legal medicines.’ (‘Etiology, Pathogenesis and Pathophysiology of Aortic Aneurysms and Aneurysm Rupture’; Chapter Nine - Drug-induced aortic aneurysms, ruptures and dissections’)

    Desire of Ages assures us that he is: ‘….just looking for documentation, facts, rather than speculation.’

    He might care to tell us which of the drugs listed above was readily available to Khaybar; and which was the one she most likely used. Or did she use a poison not listed...if so, what was it?

    What we have in Desire’s ‘argument’ is a classic example of the logical fallacy known as ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ (‘after this, therefore because of this.’). Since the Prophet’s death followed an incident of poisoning, Desire is assuming that it must have been caused by that incident.

    Post hoc is said to be particularly seductive, in that temporal sequences can suggest causality. Desire has no desire to take into account other factors potentially responsible for the Prophet’s death; such as viral or bacterial disease; exacerbated by age. He would have us behave as he does.

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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    Subhaan-Allah, I am surprised to see this attack of the enemies! Due to lack of time I couldn't read all posts but am struck with wonder to see the use of this story of poisoning to falsify the Prophethood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. His Prophethood is as manifest as the Sunlight. If the Sun-light cannot be covered with the hands of anyone, so the Prophethood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wasallam cannot be covered with any words.


    The true Hadeeth given in this thread is that the meat/bone- part had spoken to the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) that it was poisoned so he didn’t eat it. Ihad heard this hadeeth many years ago. It was said that the meat was from the scapular region as Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam liked meat from scapula (and Allah knows the best). When he sat to eat, the meat spoke out, “Don’t eat me, I am poisoned”. (Allah knows best the exact words of the hadeeth). So he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam didn’t eat it. Obviously, the miracle would prevent him from eating that poisoned meat.



    O Muslims, please don’t go into contradictory statements. When he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was informed by the meat that it was poisoned then how can you expect that he ate from it?


    Please remember that all of the Prophets were “Shaheed”. So Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was not in need of eating the poison to become Shaheed. Therefore, don’t bring the saying of Ibn. Mas’ood rAa to confirm that he salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam ate poison and died due to that poison after 4 years. Who can prove the truth of the words attached to Ibn. Mas’ood rAa. That is not a Hadeeth and that is contradicting the hadeeth about poisoning.

    O Muslims, please use your minds and see a hadeeth in the light of the Holy Quraan. But that you can do only when you thoroughly know the Holy Quraan. And most of you never try to know the Holy Quraan, alas! So then better is to keep quiet and do not mess up with the ahaadeeth. Thank you!

    As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, sister.

    Please do not distress yourself. Sometimes it is necessary to assume that a person (in this case Desire etc) is portraying the truth, in order to demonstrate that he is not.
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    The surah Al-Haaqah was revealed at Makkah at a very early stage of the Prophet hood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. It was revealed even before Umar rAa entered the fold of Islam. After becoming Prophet, Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam remained in Makkah for about 12 and a half year. Then he migrated to madeenah. It was in Madeenah that he came in contact with the Jews. So the poisoning of meat by the Jews happened more than 10 years after the revelation of the surah Al-Haaqah. Then my question is: Why is this surah or its verse connected to the incident of poisoning of the meat by the Jews?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmAbdullah View Post
    The surah Al-Haaqah was revealed at Makkah at a very early stage of the Prophet hood of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. It was revealed even before Umar rAa entered the fold of Islam. After becoming Prophet, Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam remained in Makkah for about 12 and a half year. Then he migrated to madeenah. It was in Madeenah that he came in contact with the Jews. So the poisoning of meat by the Jews happened more than 10 years after the revelation of the surah Al-Haaqah. Then my question is: Why is this surah or its verse connected to the incident of poisoning of the meat by the Jews?
    Because those who hate the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam), and who wish to discredit him, will attempt to do so by any means. They wish to sew discord and doubt, and to turn the Muslims away from Islam. Don't look for reason and fairness in such behaviour; you will not find it.

    There is no connection, save in the perverse thinking of folk who seek to create one.
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