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    Hi , my name is chalky
    I’m not religious , il lay my cards on the table , I’m an atheist , I’m here because I’m curious of why people believe the things they do.
    What convinces people that a particular version of a particular god is real.

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    Re: Truth seeker

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalks75 View Post
    The Quran says the sun is stationary ... it is not ,not only does it spin on its axis, it is part of a spinning spiral galaxy, which in itself is moving through space ... but people didn’t know that in the Bronze Age.
    He created the heavens and the Earth with truth. He wraps the night around the day and wraps the day around the night, and has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running for a specified term. Is He not indeed the Almighty, the Endlessly Forgiving? ( Quran 39, 5)
    And the Sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. And We have decreed set phases for the Moon, until it ends up looking like an old palm spathe. It is not for the Sun to overtake the Moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Quran 36, 38-40)
    I gave two quotes from Quran both indicating that Sun is not stationary. Do you find any other conflict in Quran?

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    Re: Truth seeker

    Brother I would advise you to look into this person "Zakir Naik" he has alot of videos you might find interesting, why don't you take a look there.

    Every religion has their own book.

    The Christians have 1 but with so many different translations, why is that ? They all believe in that 1 god, so why don't they unite those books into one ?

    In India it's the same thing with multiple religions with many sub categories.

    Now to your point, as I see that you are a true seeker, I hope Allah will prove to you his existence some day.

    Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.[23:14]

    Now I want to ask you, as you deny the existence, could you tell me who created it ? Tell me what is your logic here so I can understand you better.

    Allah has given us 4 books which he scattered across the world for different tribes. As Muslims we all believe in all those books, tawrat(Torah, for the jews, Enjeel(bible, for the Christians), zabur(book of dawud, pre-islamic Christians), Quran(Muslims, for all man kind).

    We Muslims believe in all 4 and those who don't believe that aren't true Muslims but now the problem here is that the Bible, Torah, zabur (not too sure about zabur, I don't know much about it) have all been altered, changing the words of God (again, I understand that you still need proof of him).

    To our knowledge a god is a perfect, absolute being.

    And then when you look at the Bible you'd see people categorizing themselves with different groups even thought they all follow the same god, now how can this be, if god is perfect, how come he allowed such a thing to happen ? When you say Jesus powers were through god, so who is god ? Mind that also, if you go read about it, Jesus was never killed and crossed! But he was raised into the heavens (another topic).

    Many other religions are similar.

    I'm not too sure but there is the possiblility of religions other than (Islam which possesses the same one book, no different translations, the exact point of view anywhere you go (whether the people speak English, Urdu, Bengali, arabic they all translate to the same thing) ), other religions probably have the same thing but I don't know, the Buddha's have their own unified believe but I can't give you an explanation there (my knowledge is limited), I'd seek Dr. Zakir Naik! He is the one you need to answer your questions, he is a logical, scientific man and loves to debate! I'd really look him up if you are interested.

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    Re: Truth seeker

    Quote Originally Posted by chalks75 View Post
    Hi , my name is chalky
    I’m not religious , il lay my cards on the table , I’m an atheist , I’m here because I’m curious of why people believe the things they do.
    What convinces people that a particular version of a particular god is real.
    Well, I just have a question for you

    Did you believe , if somebody same , there are some plastic parts in a garbage truck and suddenly i see they all mix up itself and then suddenly a computer is formed and its start running ? or you can take any such example

    the define answer is NO, you will say it wont a happen unless someone is going to do it.

    So if not even a simple thing can be created by itself how can such a big universe (we already know only about a dot in univers, our universe is so vast that we can noot even think on it) is running so accurately.

    Our life is the best example if we exist then ALLAH (GOD) our creator exist is the best proof for us.

    Its not something complex just think on it,

    and yes, some time you had to listen what your heart is saying and not whats your mind is, your heart will guide you right. so before sleeping in quiet place ask these question with your own heart and your heart will give you asnwer.
    Truth seeker



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