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    Salam alaikum,

    I found this book online, which talks about many different topics of Islam and Islamic rituals in a different perspective. The writer explains the meanings of many Q’uranic words from the Quran itself with logical explanations and examples. Though it make sense to me much of what he/she has written, it is fascinating that I haven’t heard those from a Muslim scholar. Though, I am not religious, I like the way he has used his analytical skills. Please have a read. I like to hear your opinions.

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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran

    wa alaykum assalam,

    I had a quick look at the book. There is a reason you haven't heard these things from a Muslim scholar, because this work is not based on knowledge. It is a work of someone who doesn't have a proper understanding of Islam. He is misinterpreting verses of the Qur'an to give his own wrong opinions. For example, he calls Salah an 'invented ritual worship' when it is a foundational aspect of our religion, the evidences for which are explicit with no room for doubt. He interprets 'malaikah' as meaning natural forces around us, when it is a pillar of the belief of a Muslim to believe in the existence of the Angels. He also interprets 'satan' as negative forces... these explanations don't make sense if you actually read the Qur'an. Moreover, it seems the author doesn't believe in the Hadith, which is a major reason for his gross errors. I would advise you to learn about the Qur'an from scholars of Islam - refer to the classical commentaries such as Ibn Kathir, Al-Qurtubi, as-Sa'di and numerous others.
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    Thank you for the reply. Yes, looks like he strongly opposes Hadiths, and he has given his reason from the Q'uran. For instance, in Chapter 5, he talks about the history of Hadiths and the Q'uranic verses which talk about Hadiths. When I read Q'uran 31:6-7 and 45:6-7, which he has stated in that Chapter, I got goosebumps. I didn't know earlier that the Q'uran talks about the false nature of Hadiths. And when I studied the history of Hadiths, how they were collected, recorded, and disseminated and the contradictions it has, I was blown away by the accuracy of its mention in the Q'uran. Don't you think? He also makes a comparison of the Hadiths to Gemra and Mishna of the Jews. I looked it up and his comparison was accurate. It makes me so afraid as to whether we are making the same errors that the Jews made after the Tora. I am lost. The Muslim scholars are not much of a help to me. That's why, I joined this blog.
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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran

    Assalamu Alaykum,

    format_quote Originally Posted by Axhmed View Post
    Thank you for the reply. Yes, looks like he strongly opposes Hadiths, and he has given his reason from the Q'uran. For instance, in Chapter 5, he talks about the history of Hadiths and the Q'uranic verses which talk about Hadiths. When I read Q'uran 31:6-7 and 45:6-7, which he has stated in that Chapter, I got goosebumps. I didn't know earlier that the Q'uran talks about the false nature of Hadiths.
    What the author is doing is merely playing with words and making up interpretations. Anyone who rejects the authority of the Hadith is not following the Qur'an.

    Hadith literally means an item of news, conversation, a tale, a story or a report. In both the Qur'an and the teachings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, the word Hadith has been used in this literal sense to refer to a religious communication, a story of a general nature, a historical story and a current story or conversation. Let's look at some examples:

    (a) Usage of the word Hadith to mean religious communication/message/the Qur'an:

    So leave Me with [the matter of] whoever denies this Hadith [i.e. the Qur’ān]. We will progressively lead them [to punishment] from where they do not know. [Qur'an 68:44]

    The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, 'the best Hadith is the Book of Allah...' [Muslim]


    (b) Usage of the word Hadith to mean a general story/conversation:

    And when you come across those who ridicule Our revelations, do not sit with them unless they engage in a different Hadith. Should Satan make you forget, then once you remember, do not ˹continue to˺ sit with the wrongdoing people. [Qur'an 6:68]

    The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, 'One who tries to eavesdrop on the Hadith (conversation) of the people when they dislike his doing so and want to keep away from him, in the Hereafter hot copper would be poured in his ear.' [Al-Bukhari]


    (c) Usage of the word Hadith to mean a historical story:

    And has the Hadith of Moses reached you? [Qur'an 20:9]

    The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said, 'Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single sentence, and tell others the Hadith of Bani Israel (which have been taught to you), for it is not sinful to do so. And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire.' [Al-Bukhari]


    However, like other Arabic words, the word Hadith developed a more specific meaning. From the time of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, his stories and communications dominated all other kinds of communications. Consequently, the word Hadith began to be used almost exclusively for the narration about or from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم.

    We can now understand that verses like 31:6-7 and 45:6-7, as quoted by Hadith rejectors, actually have nothing to do with what they claim. All such people are doing is exposing their ignorance of basic Arabic and how terminology is used in different contexts. Moreover, misinterpreting these verses to negate the authority and importance of the Hadith is rejecting the many verses of the Qur'an where Allah سبحانه وتعالى has instructed us to accept what the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم brought, to refrain from that which he forbade, to obey him and to accept his rulings:

    And whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Severe in punishment [59:7]

    Say, "Obey Allāh and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification." [24:54]
    But no, by your Lord (O Muhammad), they have no Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction. [Qur'an 4:65]

    There are yet other verses of the Qur'an which show us that the role of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was not only to teach us the Qur'an but also the Sunnah (which is recorded and preserved in the Hadith), referred to as 'wisdom':

    Certainly did Allah confer [great] favor upon the believers when He sent among them a Messenger from themselves, reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom, although they had been before in manifest error. (3:164)

    The following verse shows how the role of the Prophet
    صلى الله عليه وسلم was to explain the Qur'an to the people:

    ˹We sent them˺ with clear proofs and divine Books. And We have sent down to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Reminder, so that you may explain to people what has been revealed for them, and perhaps they will reflect. [16:44]

    This implies that Revelation needs a guide to show people what it means. The Qur'an cannot be read in any way that you want. This clearly means that the explanations are themselves divinely ordained by Allah سبحانه وتعالى. And that explanation of the Qur'an by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is recorded in the Hadith.

    Let me quote an important example to illustrate the above:
    Originally Posted by Insaanah
    ...the Qur'an makes it clear that the Prophet received another type of inspiration from Allah, one that was binding on him and his followers.

    ...And We did not make the qiblah which you used to face except that We might make evident who would follow the Messenger from who would turn back on his heels. And indeed, it is difficult except for those whom Allah has guided. (2:143, part)
    We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.(2:144)

    These verses are in reference to the Muslims facing Jerusalem before the direction of the prayer was changed to Makkah. Allah explicitly states that it was He that appointed that original direction of prayer. However this inspiration and command to the Prophet to face Jerusalem never formed part of the Qur'an. Hence this shows that the Prophet received another type of inspiration/command from Allah, that was binding on him and his followers.

    And do not pray [the funeral prayer, O Muhammad], over any of them who has died - ever - or stand at his grave. Indeed, they disbelieved in Allah and His Messenger and died while they were defiantly disobedient. (9:84)

    This verse shows us that funeral prayers had already begun to be performed and that the Prophet used to offer prayers at the burial of the dead before this verse was revealed. Yet there is no verse in the Qur'an that orders the Prophet and the Muslims to pray specific funeral prayers over the dead. It must be conceded, that the command for the funeral prayer was given to the Prophet through the sunnah, and that command was binding on him and his followers.

    These verses also show, that what the Prophet established as part of the religion, is approved by Allah...


    For a more detailed discussion, please see:
    Why do we follow hadeeths? (islamicboard.com)


    And when I studied the history of Hadiths, how they were collected, recorded, and disseminated and the contradictions it has, I was blown away by the accuracy of its mention in the Q'uran. Don't you think? He also makes a comparison of the Hadiths to Gemra and Mishna of the Jews. I looked it up and his comparison was accurate.
    There is no comparison. By mentioning the Mishnah and Gemara which were compiled centuries later, the author is once again exposing his unfamiliarity with the science of Hadith and even what Hadith means; Hadith is not commentaries provided by scholars, rather it refers to whatever is transmitted from the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم of his actions, sayings, tacit approvals, or physical characteristics or mannerisms. Since the lifetime of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, Muslims started memorising and writing down Hadith which were then transmitted through chains of narrators that can be traced back all the way to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. The subsequent generations witnessed the development of formal ḥadīth criticism and authentication. No ḥadīth would be accepted without its narrators being extensively scrutinized, with their integrity and retention inspected and evaluated alongside other narrators. Moreover, every ḥadīth would be cross-referenced to ensure that it was free from defects or anomalies. The astounding effort that went into the preservation of the ḥadīth corpus leaves us with the utmost certainty that the ḥadīth were accurately preserved.

    Dr Jonathan Brown, one of the leading Western Scholars on Hadith literature (who also reverted to Islam after studying hadiths) is reported to have said in a lecture;

    “I have never been more impressed with anybody in history in my life than with Muslim ḥadīth scholars. I mean, when I first started studying ḥadīth I was very skeptical, I thought it was all made-up and bogus but the more you study it the more you just appreciate the intense brain power of these people. I mean they memorized thousands and thousands of books and then they were able to recall all the different versions of ḥadīth from these books, and then they were able to analyze them and put them all together and figure-out where they all connect and make judgments about the authenticity of these ḥadīth. I mean even nowadays with electronic databases, and computers and word processing, I have hard time following even their discussions of the ḥadīth - let alone their original mastering that they were drawing on. It's almost unbelievable... It's almost unbelievable, and if you didn't have the books in front of you that they wrote, I wouldn't believe it personally....”

    It makes me so afraid as to whether we are making the same errors that the Jews made after the Tora. I am lost. The Muslim scholars are not much of a help to me. That's why, I joined this blog.
    The authority of the Prophet ﷺ and the obligation to follow him were not invented by Muslim scholars. Rather, the Qur'ān makes it unequivocally clear that there were two forms of revelation: the Qur'ān and the Sunnah. As mentioned above, it also establishes the role of the Prophet ﷺ as a teacher, legislator and expounder on the Qur'ān.

    It was not until the nineteenth century that a movement emerged that rejected the entire corpus of Hadīth and the authority of the Prophet ﷺ. It is inconceivable to think that the whole Ummah got it wrong for numerous centuries until these people emerged. The truth is that the reason why certain people want to reject Hadīth is that they want to free themselves from acting upon the laws of Islam. They do not want to pray, fast, and give charity in the way that Islam has prescribed, and so they attack the authority of Hadīth. Their aim for doing this is obvious. They understand that if the Hadīth corpus is removed from the picture, they can live their lives exactly like the modern secular society. Since they have left Hadīth, they have separated into many sub-sects among themselves, and are extremely confused about how the teachings of Islām should be carried out.

    I advise you not to read the works of such people. Instead, find a teacher whom you trust in his knowledge and religion and learn the foundations of Islam from him. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by people pretending to be scholars whilst contradicting and disrespecting the Qur'an itself.

    There are numerous threads you can refer to for further information:

    Ahadeeth Myths (islamicboard.com)
    [General Article] The Status of the Sunnah in Islam
    Introduction to the Sunnah
    Rules Governing the Criticism of Hadeeth
    The Legal Status of the Sunnah in Islam
    Understanding the Hadith
    Hadeeth Rejectors - Refutations.
    The Fallacies Of Anti-Hadith Arguments
    [Sectarian Article] The Quranites
    Hadeeth Collections from the First Century of Hijra

    See also the book by Mustafa al A'zami: Studies in Hadith Methodology and Literature
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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran


    Thank you for your detailed message. The author has answered most of your concerns with proofs from the Q’uran. I had to re-visit his book to answer your reply. I strongly suggest you to read his book. I think it is unfair to comment on someone’s writing without reading his work. Here is the link: [link removed]



    You claimed that the author is playing with the word Hadiths. You have mentioned in your response (a) - [Qur'an 68:44], (b) - [Qur'an 6:68] and (c) - [Qur'an 20:9] that the Q’uran calls itself Hadith, which I agree. However, you have not mentioned any Q’uranic verse that instructs us to obey the Hadiths of the prophet. If there is any, please guide me to it as I am unaware. What I have read in Chapter 5 of ’The Quran the Untold truths' however, is just the opposite:



    Taken from the Author’s book:
    (A) In Q'uran 31:6-7: But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales (= Hadith), without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
    When Our Signs are rehearsed to such a one (the purchaser of idle tales), he turns away in arrogance, as if he heard them not, as if there were deafness in both his ears: announce to him a grievous Penalty.



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    (B) Q'uran 45:6-7 - These are the verses of God We convey to you with truth. Then, in what Hadith, if not in God and His verses, will they believe? Woe to every fabricating impostor (of Hadith)!
    These verses clearly tell not to follow any Hadith other than the Q’uran. Honestly, I couldn’t find any Q’uranic verse which tells us to follow the Hadith of the Prophet (unless I missed it). So, what do you think these verses in (A) & (B) would mean?


    I looked it up and found that the Quranic verse that you have mentioned to justify your answer to follow Hadith is only part of the whole verse in 59:7, as it is related to spoils of war, not Hadith. The author of The Quran The Untold Truth also talks about the verses 24:54 & 4:65 that you have mentioned (ie: Obey Allah and obey the prophet), in detail, in Chapter 14 of his book.


    You have used Q 3:164 & Q 16:44 to justify the Hadith of the Prophet. Again, those verses are related to explaining the Q’uran to people. “What has been revealed” in Q16:44, is the Q’uran, not Hadith. As per my understanding, the Q’uran doesn’t mention that Hadith or Sunnah are revealed to the prophet other than the Q’uran, and it states that the Q’uran is the best Hadith.


    You have quoted Q2:143 & Q2:144 from Insaanah. These 2 verses are also explained in his book somewhere, where it talks about Qibla. I think it is in the Chapter on Hajj.


    I am familiar with Dr Jonathan Browns work and I have read his books. However, when I read The Quran The Untold Truths, I question the authenticity and accuracy of these Hadiths if they were transmitted orally and collected over hundreds of years after the demise of the prophet. How can the accuracy of such work be guaranteed when the speakers were not present. It’s like Chinese whispers or gossip.

    With regards to the Sunnah, you have mentioned "Rather, the Qur'ān makes it unequivocally clear that there were two forms of revelation: the Qur'ān and the Sunnah”. However, you have not mentioned any Quranic verses. Do you have any Quranic verse that says to follow the Sunnah of the prophet?


    You have mentioned "It was not until the nineteenth century that a movement emerged that rejected the entire corpus of Hadīth and the authority of the Prophet ﷺ. It is inconceivable to think that the whole Ummah got it wrong for numerous centuries until these people emerged. The truth is that the reason why certain people want to reject Hadīth is that they want to free themselves from acting upon the laws of Islam. They do not want to pray, fast, and give charity in the way that Islam has prescribed, and so they attack the authority of Hadīth.” The Q’uranic teachings are not about consensus of the scholars. In fact, the Quran mention the majority of the people are wrong (6:116 & 10:35-36). There are no guarantees that the scholars are absolutely right or rightly guided. Nowhere in the Quran, as to my knowledge, instructs us to seek guidance or learn the Quran from the scholars. Dr Shabbir Ahmed has explained in his Quran Translation that the Quran as its best explanatory (A good read).


    You have concluded by saying: "I advise you not to read the works of such people. Instead, find a teacher whom you trust in his knowledge and religion and learn the foundations of Islam from him. Don't allow yourself to be deceived by people pretending to be scholars whilst contradicting and disrespecting the Qur'an itself.”. This is contrary to the Q’uran. I think the Q’uran says to read / listen everything and follow the best advice / path. I read works of many writers, read opposing views, compare them with the Q’uran. The work of the author of ’The Quran the untold truths’ definitely shook me to the core. Please read it and give me your opinion.


    Salaam.







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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran

    wa alaykum assalam,

    Before we proceed, I want to check, do you know what Tawheed is? Do you believe in the Tawheed of Allah سبحانه وتعالى?
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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran

    God is the Most Great, Ashhadu ana la illaha ila Allah wa ashhadu ana Muhammadon rasul o Allah, I testifiy that there is no god but God and that Mohammad (peace and blessings be upn him and his family) is the Messenger of God, God is the King and Lord and Protector and Saviour and Father and Creator and Ruler and Light of the heavens and the earth and everything in them.
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    When the Quran, which rightfully commands us to believe in spirits and demons, basically supernatural spiritual entities, it then means exactly that, these things are entities who really do exists and are alive right now, just like you, going around doing stuff and so so on. They exists, by direct experience, by Truth.

    To believe otherwise, that they don't exist, then you are ignorant and wrong.

    God witnesses that they exists.

    And ritual prayer is inspired by God. Prayer is sacred.
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    Yes, I do believe in tawheed.
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    Re: A different perspective of Al Q'uran

    Br Marwan, I am confused. Where in the Q'uran does it mention to believe in Spirits and Demons? Are you talking about something like this written in that book that I am talking about?
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