Islam & The Personal Form of God

format_quote Originally Posted by Kidman

You can't see God, If you want to see God, you should either see the whole God (i.e.your eyes should catch the whole God) which means you have limited God,or you should see a part of God (i.e. your eyes has captured a part of Him) which means you have partitioned God.

Both cases are in contradiction with Islamic belief that Allah, Exalted, is
unlimited and has no part and organ. Moreover your belief in seeing God is
in contradiction with clear text of Quran, in which Allah says that:
"Sight cannot catch Him" (Quran 6:103). The verse does not exclude
Hereafter from this rule, therefore it covers everywhere.

He does not change along with the time, or does not occupy
any physical place. Under no circumstances, God changes. There comes
no TIME frame upon him. He has created time, and physical places.

In fact in the Quran and the Prophetic such mytaphorical meanings were
greatly used. For example, Allah describes his Prophets as :

"men of Hands and vision." (38:45)

Most everyone agreed that here 'hands' means power and strength.

Any hadeeth or Quranic verse that says he has physical features, is not referring to him really having physical feature, it is used as metaphorical meanings for our personal understanding of the Quran and for those with knowledge.

Kidman

An intelligent post and I have to agree.
:awesome:

format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Skakeen

I don’t know about what you have learned . But what I have learned that when Allah said hand it supposed to mean his power and influence, when he said eyes he meant his knowledge and sight, etc. It's like saying to some one give me a hand while what you have meant a help . Allah said it this way so that it can suit all times and ages. In other words it has nothing to do with explaining Allah appearance (Allah forgive me). I have also learned that Qur'an should not be allowed to be translated to other languages. For example English is a simple language which cannot handle the Arabic language because it’s a sophisticated language with many rules such as Al-turqem, Naho, etc.

Allahu A3lam

You should read ibn taymiyyahs book aqeedatul waasitiyyah, it'll clear you up a bit about why we cant say that the word "Hands" means "Power". Oh read ibn uthaimeens sharh for it. Even better.

^yes. I believe that Allah has hands like how he mentioned in teh Qur'an. And fingers too, like how he mentioned in the hadeeth : On the day of Judgement Allah will put the skys on a finger, the earths on a finger, the trees on a finger, the mountias on a finger, and the seas on a finger, then he will say who is the king? who is the ruler today?

I believe on taking the hadeeth by the Lafdh, meaning how it came on is apparent meaning unless anohter hadeeth or ayah explains it in a different way.

Same applies to the hadeeth: On the day of Judgement the hellfire will keep asking for more people until Allah jalla jalaaluh puts his foot into it and the fire will cry "stop stop"

I believe if Allah says he has hand then he has a hand, if he has eyes then he has eyes. Its just nothing like ours because Allah azzawajal also says "there is nothing like him"

wassalam.

Yeah - the attributes and descriptions of Allaah Almighty mentioned in the Qur'an and Authentic ahadith are real. It's not metaphors i.e. Hands = power, but it really is Allaah Almighty's Hand, it's just not like any of the creations.


Allaah Almighty knows best.