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    Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?



    It wasn't spread by the sword.. Those who embraced it, did so because they saw Islam as the true religion. And it spread so fast over so many lands due to the fact that the earlier generations practised what they were bringing to the people. They didn't try to make dawah when they themselves weren't practising. Therefore they commanded respect.

    There were non Muslims around too...and they lived under the protection and safety of the Muslims, thereby prooving Islam was not spread by the sword. If it was, why were these non Muslims being protected?
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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

    My reason: When I was introduced to Islam, I read the Quran, and it gave me hope. For there is none here in the USA, with or without religion. I was conforted by Allah's word and been since a muslim. Never to leave, because it is the only true religion, (way of life), that is truth....

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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

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    Islam was spread by means of proof and evidence to those who listened to the message and responded to it, and it spread by means of force and the sword to those who were stubborn and arrogant, until they were overwhelmed and became no longer stubborn, and submitted to that reality.

    And Allaah knows best.

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    رَبِّ ٱجۡعَلۡنِى مُقِيمَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِى*ۚ رَبَّنَا وَتَقَبَّلۡ دُعَآءِ (٤٠) رَبَّنَا ٱغۡفِرۡ لِى وَلِوَٲلِدَىَّ وَلِلۡمُؤۡمِنِينَ يَوۡمَ يَقُومُ ٱلۡحِسَابُ

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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

    Assalamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

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    Abu Bakr and Umar bin Al-Khattab spread the word of Allah to all corners of the world. The word of Islam was spread through battles and conquest, but homes, women, loot, lifestock, cities and crops were untouched by our Muslim armies under the command of prominent Sahaba's like Khalid bin al-Waleed who conquered Palestina and Syria, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas who won the battle of Qadissey and with that Persia and of course Amr ibn Al 'As who conquered Egypt.

    The reason why Islam captured Persia, Syria, Palestina and Egypt without much difficulty was because the Roman and Persians were fighting each other for centuries and no one was the winner and the only loser were the people. The people did not fight the new Muslim authorities and neither did the Muslims force anyone to convert. All they had to do was pay the non-Muslim tax!

    This is one of the core factors why Islam spread from Eastern-China to Spain within 50 years time!

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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?


    no..i don't think so..it spread because of the character and imaan of the muslims of that time..and if it were swords that spread islam then one may ask..which sword went into indonesia??
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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

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    no..i don't think so..it spread because of the character and imaan of the muslims of that time..and if it were swords that spread islam then one may ask..which sword went into indonesia??
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    I think the hilt of the sword went into malaysia, or maybe the blunt edge!

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    Re: Do you think the great success of Islam is because it was spread by the sword?

    ISlam was spread by trade in Malaysia (14th century), Christianity was spread by swords, guns, cannons by Portuguese in 1511

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    I am not sure totally but it mustn't be haram even if it is taken by force. Kaba was a pagan worship place before the Prophet a.s. took it. They converted it to a Muslim Masjid then.
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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I am not sure totally but it mustn't be haram even if it is taken by force. Kaba was a pagan worship place before the Prophet a.s. took it. They converted it to a Muslim Masjid then.
    And before that, Abraham pbuh built it with his son, Ishmael pbuh.

    We just took back what was rightfully ours. And it wasn't forcefully, the Qureish let the Muslims take it, as they admitted they could not rule Makkah like before, the Muslims had won and were now the majority in the land, hence no force necessary, just acceptance that this was God's will.

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

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    And before that, Abraham pbuh built it with his son, Ishmael pbuh.

    We just took back what was rightfully ours. And it wasn't forcefully, the Qureish let the Muslims take it, as they admitted they could not rule Makkah like before, the Muslims had won and were now the majority in the land, hence no force necessary, just acceptance that this was God's will.

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    Maybe. But still threr were pagans in Makkah

    Muslim Turks converted many churchs to masjids during Seljuk and Ottoman periods in the lands they conquered. Actually these were the symbols of the conquest. Hagia Sophia is being the most famous.
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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Bro, you can in no way compare the Prophet pbuh taking Makkah peacefully to the Ottoman invasion of Constantinople.

    The former being righteous, the latter being a shame to Muslims and Islam.

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

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    Bro, you can in no way compare the Prophet pbuh taking Makkah peacefully to the Ottoman invasion of Constantinople.

    The former being righteous, the latter being a shame to Muslims and Islam.

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    Only difference between is Makkan pagans were so weak and Muslims were so powerfull and they had to open the gates to Muslims. If they resisted it would be a conquest by sword just like others. Prophet a.s. himself predicted that Konstantiniyah would be conquered. He even praised the future conquerer comander and army. You must have enough evidence to call it a "shame".
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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Do you honestly believe that Islam spread through the use of the "sword" ???

    Like ... really?

    Despite historians debunking that myth, you really believe this?

    I'm honestly astounded.

    Go look up treaties and agreements between Muslims and non Muslims and see how Islam really spread across the orient.

    You'll find that trade facilitated the invitation to Islam way waaaay more than any sword ever did.

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Do you honestly believe that Islam spread through the use of the "sword" ???

    Like ... really?

    Despite historians debunking that myth, you really believe this?

    I'm honestly astounded.

    Go look up treaties and agreements between Muslims and non Muslims and see how Islam really spread across the orient.

    You'll find that trade facilitated the invitation to Islam way waaaay more than any sword ever did.

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    My friend Islam did not spread through sword doesnt mean Muslims did not fight to conquer all those lands. It means they did not force people to convert to Islam by sword. Non-Muslims just paid the jizyah and had the rights as Muslims. Muslims definetly conquered non-muslim lands for the Islamic dominion. I think you need to study the Islamic history a bit. Look at the map


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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Sheesh, I'll leave you to it.

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    My friend, Allah gave Islam to dominate the world. We are supposed to be majority not minority. And Turks just followed the ways of the Prophet a.s. and Rashidun Khilafa.
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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    Load of rubbish mate, Ottomoan empire was a complete farce by the time the Brits drew up the Balfour declaration... I thank Allah that the ottoman kingship (I refuse to call it a khaliphate) was destroyed.

    id rather face an harsh truth than entertain sweet lies.

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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

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    Load of rubbish mate, Ottomoan empire was a complete farce by the time the Brits drew up the Balfour declaration... I thank Allah that the ottoman kingship (I refuse to call it a khaliphate) was destroyed.

    id rather face an harsh truth than entertain sweet lies.

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    Bro, it seems not only your nationality but your mind also has been colonised by the Brits. You would be expected to be proud of the Islamic history rather than an un-Islamic history. Now study the history of Muslim nations of the last 100 years...All Muslim nations who betrayed Ottoman Empire in WW1 paid the price eventually. Plestianians paid the price more than any other.

    I don't claim that they were angels, they did mistakes and commited crimes sometimmes but considering the 623 years of history at the end of the day they carried the flag of Islam.
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    Re: Church of England Loses 14% of Members

    The Ottomans... if you like,

    Tbh, it's not a subject I'm so interested in, because I often find Muslims see the Ottomans through a very warped lens. The first generations were noble, sure - but when the Khilafa became a Kingship, it all went downhill from there... but did the embarrassing khlaifates start with the Ottomans?

    Short answer? No.

    The embarrassing Khaliphates happened during the dynastic wars between competing Khaliphates... and that was a sign for the people of the time that they were about to be overtaken by an enemy they could not fight - Majuj. Hence the Mongols came... and in case you didn't know this, the Turks, are a genetic offshoot from the Turanian races, of which the Mong (Mongol) were also a genetic offshoot. The Turanians, in history are what we religious folk refer to Magog, or Majuj... the other half of Gog (Yajuj).

    Bro, you sure you wanna go down this road with me?

    I'm not gonna play to your bias, as that is predictable silly, what I will do though, is throw you curve balls which you may not be prepared for.

    Allahu Alam.

    Balls in your court. Your move.

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