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    I often asked a question: Did Muhammad (PBUH) marry a 13 year old girl --- Can anyone give me a convincing answer please?

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    Re: Is it true??



    Her name was Aisha. She was actually 9 years old, but had reach puberty. However you should keep in mind that 1400 in desert Arabia, this was perfectly normal.

    Importantly, it was Allah swt who ordered him (pbuh) to marry her.

    If this were to have happened today, sure, eyebrows would be raised, but back then it was as normal as a 30 year old man marrying a 28 year old woman is today.

    Also remember that the Prophet had many enemies amongst the Arabs. They threw many false accusations at him. They called him a liar, a peot, a magician. But they never said anything about his marriage to Aisha. This just goes to show that if he was doing something considered wrong by the morals of his him, they would surely have made a big deal out of it. But they did not.

    Last but not least, Aisha LOVED her husband, so if she had no problem with it, why should we?

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    Re: Is it true??

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post


    Her name was Aisha. She was actually 9 years old, but had reach puberty. However you should keep in mind that 1400 in desert Arabia, this was perfectly normal.

    Importantly, it was Allah swt who ordered him (pbuh) to marry her.

    If this were to have happened today, sure, eyebrows would be raised, but back then it was as normal as a 30 year old man marrying a 28 year old woman is today.

    Also remember that the Prophet had many enemies amongst the Arabs. They threw many false accusations at him. They called him a liar, a peot, a magician. But they never said anything about his marriage to Aisha. This just goes to show that if he was doing something considered wrong by the morals of his him, they would surely have made a big deal out of it. But they did not.

    Last but not least, Aisha LOVED her husband, so if she had no problem with it, why should we?

    Hope that helps!
    I do agree it was "normal" but i still see several problems with it.

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    Re: Is it true??

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post
    If this were to have happened today, sure, eyebrows would be raised, but back then it was as normal as a 30 year old man marrying a 28 year old woman is today.
    not exactly. Novels today still have stories of girls marrying spouses 20 years older than themselves...sure they're only novels...but its the culture i'm talking about; the culture and traditions portrayed in novels. it was set in England too.

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    Even Harry Potter exists in novels sis.

    It is illegal to do so in England isn't it? The issue isn't so much the age gap as it is the fact that Aisha was so young.

    Remember that no one really cares that his first wife was way older than him.
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    Re: Is it true??

    thanks for the responses. but i do have some problems:
    --> "Aisha LOVED her husband"
    (i) how can a 9-year-old girl have a feeling a being somebody's wife and actually LOVE him?
    (ii) i cannot agree with the statement- "it was perfectly normal". god's orders are valid for all time, all generations. since Muhammad (pbuh) is believed to be obeying god's order, in this case, why does not it appear to be a god's order, and rather lust of a human mind?

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    Re: Is it true??



    In response to your first question^
    Hazrat Aisha R.A at the age of her Marriage was fully develped in mind and body...she said this herself
    Therefore she was capable of loving and being in a marriage
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    Re: Is it true??

    Quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post
    Even Harry Potter exists in novels sis.
    yes but it doesn't portray any specific culture...other than magic and cult (is that wat it is called?)...and many believe in that too.

    and as a matter of fact, many people around the world marry weird stuff...my wording rocks dunnit?...if a man can marry a goat in egypt, why not marry a girl who's 40 or so younger than you?

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    Re: Is it true??

    the age difference is not a problem. the problem is that the girl was a minor. why should Muhammad(pbuh) marry a minor? if He (pbuh) wanted to help her, He (pbuh) could have adopted her as his own daughter, instead of marrying her. looks like there is no explanation.

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    Re: Is it true??

    i will, thanks

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    Re: Is it true??

    I'll move this to the Discover Islam section. Since this area is more of a School/College/Uni/study thing.
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    This was normal and it still is -Who told you that its wrong for a Man to marry and consummate the marriage with a 9 year old girl? Who told you it was "unethical"? According to whose standards? All over the world there are Laws set on when a girl is allowed to be with a "man" some countries its 18 other 14. What is normal in one country is considered a felony in another. So according to whose stander are you going by? In Islam it is clear cut, when a girl is mature she is allowed to be married and engage in those acts. If a girl is old enough that her body is made to handle a birth, what does that tell you? So please do not compare you man made ethical system to that of Islamic code of ethics.

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    Re: Is it true??

    Infact, here's what modern day authors say:


    Aa'isha was a young woman if she has had her menses. And this is true, that's why he (peace be upon him) consumated the marriage with her at the age of 9 - when she was a woman.
    Some modern female authors say:
    Puberty is defined as the age or period at which a person is first capable of sexual reproduction, in other eras of history, a rite or celebration of this landmark event was a part of the culture. (Rites of Passage: Puberty, by Sue Curewitz Arthen)


    "Getting your period" marks a rite of passage for young girls entering womanhood. (From the Women's Resource Center)

    Another contemporary reference relating marriage age to puberty is an article on Central Africa, which says:
    . . . women marry soon after puberty4.

    There are many other references which should prove to any intelligent person what anthropologists and historians already know: in centuries past, people were considered ready for marriage when they reached puberty.


    It should be mentioned that from an Islamic point of view, many problems in society today can be traced back to the abandonment of early marriage. Due to the way that Almighty God has created man and woman, i.e., with strong sexual desires, people should marry young. In the past, this was even more true since life expectancy was very low (i.e. you were considered "old" if you made it to 40!) Not only does marriage provide a legal outlet for people with strong sexual desires, but it usually produces more children. One of the main purposes of marriage is to produce children -"be fruitful and multiply" as the Bible says (Genesis 8:17). This was especially important in the past, when people did not live as long as they do now and the infant morality rate was much higher.



    Additionally, an article entitled Puberty in Girls by an Australian government Public Health organization, says:
    The first sign of puberty is usually a surge of growth: you become taller; your breasts develop; hair begins to grow in the pubic area and under the arms. This may start from 10 years to 14 years - even earlier for some and later for others.
    An article Physical Changes in Girls During Puberty has this to say:
    During puberty, a girl's body changes, inside and out, into the body of a woman. The changes don't come all at once, and they don't happen at the same time for everybody. Most girls start showing physical changes around age 11, but everyone has her own internal schedule for development. It's normal for changes to start as early as 8 or 9 years of age, or not until 13 or 14. Even if nothing looks or feels different yet, the changes may have already begun inside your body.

    Many will readily agree with the information above, but still might harbour reservations about whether a marriage to an older man could be happy for such a young girl. Putting aside the modern Western notions of "happiness" for a moment, the marriage of cAishah and the Prophet(P) was a mutually happy and loving one as in expressed in numerous hadîth and seerah books. That happy marriages occur between people with a fairly large difference in ages is known among psychologists:
    When the differences (in ages) is great, e.g. exceeds fifteen to twenty years, the results may be happier. The marriage of an elderly (senescent) not, of course, an old (senile) man to a quite young girl, is often very successful and harmonious. The bride is immediately introduced and accustomed to moderate sexual intercourse.7

    In his comments on the ahadith in Sahîh Muslim which mention cAishah's young marriage to the Prophet(P), cAbdul-Hamîd Siddiqî shows three other reasons for this marriage:

    cAishah's marriage to the Prophet Muhammad(P) at an early age allowed her to be an eyewitness to the personal details of his life and carry them on to the succeeding generations. By being both spiritually and physically near to the Prophet(P), the marriage prepared 'Aishah to be an example to all Muslims, especially women, for all times. She developed into a spiritual teacher and scholar, since she was remarkably intelligent and wise. Her qualities help support the Prophet's work and further the cause of Islam. cAishah, the Mother of the Believers, was not only a model for wives and mothers, but she was also a commentator on the Qur'ân, an authority on hadîth and knowledgeable in Islamic Law. She narrated at least 2,210 ahâdîth that give Muslims valuable insights into the Final Prophet's daily life and behaviour, thus preserving the Sunnah of Muhammad(P).

    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/aishah.html


    If that's amazing, know that the law only changed within the US last century!

    Age of consent in the USA just last century was 7 in some states like DelawareAmerican reformers were shocked to discover that the laws of most states set the age of consent at the age of ten or twelve, and in one state, Delaware, the age of consent was only seven. Women reformers and advocates of social purity initiated a campaign in 1885 to petition legislators to raise the legal age of consent to at least sixteen

    http://www.binghamton.edu/womhist/teacher/aoc.htm

    And if someone thinks that a 9yr old can't have a child, let's see:

    Even though Allahu ta’ala had declared to prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him): "I shall give you whatever you want," he never wanted worldly fortune. Never did he eat bread made of sifted wheat flour. He always ate bread made of unsifted barley flour. He never ate enough food to be full. He ate bread without anything, or with dates, fruit, vinegar, soup, or bread dipped into olive oil. His family spent times at home without cooking any food or baking any bread for two or three months. During this time they would only eat dates. It was also witnessed that he would eat nothing for two or three days. When he died, it was found out that his iron armored jacket had been pawned to a Jew for 30 (thirty) kilos of wheat. This is all reported by the wife of prophet and mother of all the believers, Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her).

    His bed was made of leather and full of date filler. Once, he was given a bed that was full of wool, he did not accept it and said: "O! Aisha! I swear by Allah that if I wanted, Allahu ta’ala would make gold and silver piles available for me in every place." He Sometimes slept on a mat, on wood, in a bed, on felt woven from wool, or out on the dry soil.



    This was the life of prophet who himself choose a simple life. He (Peace be upon him) did not have any worldly attraction rather every actions show the humility and humbleness as being the servant of Allah SWT.

    People who object the early marriage of Aisha r.a either had a very different aspect of looking towards woman or they had a v. weird picture of the life of the final messenger of God.

    The prophet first marriage was with Khadijah r.a and it was before his prophet hood when his age was 25 years old and Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her) age was forty 40. The man who married the woman who was 15 years elder than him, then how can we expect such man to marry aisha r.a for whim and desire, moreover, after getting the prophecy from Allah SWT?( God forfid) this is indeed a great slander and misconception and may Allah save us from holding such evil thought.

    I suggest the non-muslims to read the life of prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam or read Quran, the speech of Allah to understand the real purpose of our life and knowing Allah SWT, the Lord of the worlds.
    These links are also relevant:
    http://www.islamicboard.com/753837-post7.html
    http://www.islamicboard.com/587743-post146.html




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    Re: Is it true??

    K ali, remember that this forum doesn't allow anti islamic links to be posted. I think that refutation is sufficient inshaa Allaah (God willing.) And if you want to learn about your religion - i think it's a good idea you learn it from muslims instead of non muslims.



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