It is not fair to judge a lecture on a single quote in the first clip, but the title of the lecture by Dr. Naik "Is Terrorism a Muslim Monoply?" is not a good title. I watched most of the segments and saw that he pointed out terroristic acts done by others to show that Muslims were not the only terrorists of history. He skirts the issue that Islam and Muslim leaders are portrayed and perceived as promoting these acts as jihad, an integral part of Islam.
A better title would be, "Does Islam Sanction Terrorism?" This is a question that Muslims in general and Muslim leaders in particular avoid like the plague. I contend that suicide bombing, killing innocent women and children, and mutilation of dead bodies are not sactioned or approved as being consistent with the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad (swt). In fact, I contend that the teachings of Islam CONDEMN these acts. As a respected authority among Muslims, Dr. Naik could have a major impact on how Muslims feel about terrorism and how the world perceives Islam - if only he and others in positions of authority would speak in light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah regarding this issue.
Personally, I think Islam in itself does NOT sanction terrorism.
It's people's ignorance and/or false interpretation of texts that cause them to hold this idea. People only get this idea about Islam sanctioning terrorism purely because of lack of knowledge of Islam and this is fueled by the media, which in a lot of cases are biased against the religion..... can't remember what I was going to say next...
Oh Yeah, if people looked more into what was going on in the history of each surah, text within it, it may change people's tainted view of islam and terrorism.
It's a shame not many people do it.
First, I don't doubt that the hadith in this audio clip are authentic. There is another hadith about some men that did not participate in an arduous expedition. Most of those who stayed made one excuse or another upon the return of the expedition and were "forgiven" on the spot. There were a couple of men however who told the truth to Muhammad (saaws) and admitted their error in staying. Muhammad (saaws) and the entire Muslim community ignored these truthful men for a long time. After some time, a Qur'anic passage was revealed to indicate they had been forgiven.
I think that this hadith and the ones of the audio clip illustrate that we should not ignore the known sins of Muslims, but rather let them know that they were in the wrong. My perspective is that they were punished with a kind of "internal exile" to let them and the community know that their behaviour was not to be tolerated. In the end after making clear the seriousness of the error and with repentence of the perpetrators, these Muslims were accepted back into the community.
Let me make an illustration. If a Muslim owns a convenience store and he is selling beer and lottery tickets, should I socialize with him and tolerate his haram behavior? No, I will not approve of his publicly sinful life, nor should I keep silent. At the same time I refuse to say that he is not a Muslim and that he is going to Hell.
This audio clip seems to be an example of taking authentic hadith and twisting them to fit an unintended interpretation. The hadith in no way showed approval of the haram acts that were committed, rather they showed the seriousness of them. My opinion is that this audio is an example of double-speak that ends up misleading some Muslims to commit even more haram acts. As Muslims we are commanded to promote the good and forbid the wrong. We are also to help our Muslim brother if he is oppressed and IF HE IS THE OPPRESSOR by preventing him from doing so.
First, I don't doubt that the hadith in this audio clip are authentic. There is another hadith about some men that did not participate in an arduous expedition. Most of those who stayed made one excuse or another upon the return of the expedition and were "forgiven" on the spot. There were a couple of men however who told the truth to Muhammad (saaws) and admitted their error in staying. Muhammad (saaws) and the entire Muslim community ignored these truthful men for a long time. After some time, a Qur'anic passage was revealed to indicate they had been forgiven.
I think that this hadith and the ones of the audio clip illustrate that we should not ignore the known sins of Muslims, but rather let them know that they were in the wrong. My perspective is that they were punished with a kind of "internal exile" to let them and the community know that their behaviour was not to be tolerated. In the end after making clear the seriousness of the error and with repentence of the perpetrators, these Muslims were accepted back into the community.
Let me make an illustration. If a Muslim owns a convenience store and he is selling beer and lottery tickets, should I socialize with him and tolerate his haram behavior? No, I will not approve of his publicly sinful life, nor should I keep silent. At the same time I refuse to say that he is not a Muslim and that he is going to Hell.
This audio clip seems to be an example of taking authentic hadith and twisting them to fit an unintended interpretation. The hadith in no way showed approval of the haram acts that were committed, rather they showed the seriousness of them. My opinion is that this audio is an example of double-speak that ends up misleading some Muslims to commit even more haram acts. As Muslims we are commanded to promote the good and forbid the wrong. We are also to help our Muslim brother if he is oppressed and IF HE IS THE OPPRESSOR by preventing him from doing so.
And Allah knows best.
what you wrote in the last paragraph was pretty much my take too - it was a good example of how some people are talked in to making haram acts halal.
however, in one of the hadith (if i remember right) the actions were justified by saying that what the kufr did was worse.
in the other 2, it was recognized that the actions were wrong - or the prophet wouldn't have had to ask Allah's forgiveness for them.
at the end, he said that it is wrong to say that muslims who do such things are not muslims. (this could actually be technically correct) but he also goes on to tell those who do not support them should be silent, and of course, i disagree strongly.
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Cho was a mentally deranged individual. The only context in which he brought up Christ was to point to what he percieved as his own crucifixion and torture at the hands of the world. Saying the words "Jesus Christ" doesn't equate to a religious motivation for mass murder. He is another in a long line of "kids" who felt the world was against them and committed a terrible crime. It doesn't matter anyway. If I actually thought he was a "Christian" terrorist as opposed to a mentally deranged terrorist, my condemnation would be the same.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Certainly, more will be learned when (and if) police make public the "rambling manifesto" that was found in Cho's room. Allegedly, it is a diatribe against rich kids and religion. Already there is speculation about the "Ismail Ax" that Cho wrote in red ink on his arm and the significance of the reference to the Islamic interpretation of history. Releasing the note could dampen the speculation that Cho was a secret Muslim convert.
and there are a lot of other links which will tell you same.
So, what he was, nobody knows really.
Im Always Right,Its Like,When Im Right,Im Right,And When Im Wrong,I Could've Been Right,So Im Still Right,'Cause I Could've Been Wrong!
it is probably more useful to ask whether individual muslims sanction terrorism... it seems to me that both islam and terrorism are subjective and both are subject to a great deal of interpretation. and i don't think there is very much uniformity on the issue... except that i think most muslims outright reject the use of the word 'terrorism' in connection with islam because it is deemed insulting... so it's not really accurate or fair to lump all muslims' opinions together and say 'muslims believe this' or 'muslims believe that.'
and there are a lot of other links which will tell you same.
So, what he was, nobody knows really.
Is this a better source for you? http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....4&in_a_source=
He was a Christian. And u can say he is mental or whatever, I can also say that about Saddam Husein right? From I know they are both very bad people and one claims to be Muslim while one claims to be Christian.
The Book Review in this weekend's NY TIMES (1/5/08) is dedicated to books on Islam. Maybe of interest.
Yes, thanks. Also, it was interesting that though the author of the book was not a Muslim, it seemed the reviewer was and still found much he agreed with regarding ideas that don't always get agreement.
this is a quote from the article gator posted a link to.
can anyone tell me if there is such a verse, and if so, what is it? i've read the qur'an twice and cannot recall any such thing, but my memory is pretty lousy.
thanks!
"Muslim democrats will also have to confront Koranic passages that give militants an escape hatch. The most famous verse tells believers that slaying an innocent is like slaying all of mankind unless it is done to punish villainy."
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
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Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)
5:32 Because of this did We ordain unto the children of Israel that if anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind. [40] And, indeed, there came unto them [41] Our apostles with all evidence of the truth: yet, behold, notwithstanding all this, many of them go on committing all manner of excesses on earth. [42]
Note [40] - This moral truth is among those to which the first sentence of verse 15 of this surah alludes, and its succinct formulation fully explains the reason why the story of Cain and Abel is mentioned in this context. The expression "We have ordained unto the children of Israel" does not, of course, detract from the universal validity of this moral: it refers merely to its earliest enunciation.(Quran Ref: 5:32 )
thanks, gator. it does seem a bit of a stretch, the way they put it in the article. but obviously there are some religious texts that are twistable because there are scholars (?) who do issue fatwas making terroism (deliberate targeting of innocents) as well as suicide kosher.
from all my reading (which is still a drop in the bucket) i've yet to come across anything that okays either act.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
I agree that it seems a bit of a stretch. The key word used in the article is "innocent" which did not appear in any of the translations I found (human being, soul) and the whether the acts were caused by the victim is unclear.
I think more could be done in Britian to allay anti muslim propoganda that is rife in the British press. I see the oppression of Muslims and it reminds me of the oppression of Jews in Nazi Germany. Many Nazi officers believed the hype that was set by one mans political agenda. The west believes that muslims are all extremists as it is being fed to us due to one states political (oil) agenda. I had to go out of my way to find out about Islam and I doubt I will ever get accurate information as to what is happening in Iraq and in Afghanistan. Most people have no idea of what is going on. In preventing oppressors from oppressing why not scream to the rooftops about what your faith is. I understand that Muslims speak out about acts of terrorism but it is a mere footnote in the British press. I beg that muslims try to be heard a little louder (i dont however believe they should have to) if the British people begin to see past what is being fed to them then a lot of atrocities will stop. There are anti muslim extreme right wing parties coming to power in Europe right now. There needs to be a spread in awareness as the muslim problem that is being banded about is dangerous to the whole of humanity.
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