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    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures. (OP)


    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his beloved family) in the Bible.

    by Dr. Zakir Naik



    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in the Old Testament:

    The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


    1. Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) Prophesised in the book of Deuteronomy:

    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

    The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (peace be upon him) because Jesus (peace be upon him) was like Moses (peace be upon him). Moses (peace be upon him) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (peace be upon him) was a Jew. Moses (peace be upon him) was a Prophet and Jesus (peace be upon him) was also a Prophet.

    If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
    Moses (peace be upon him) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (peace be upon them all) will
    fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.


    However, it is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who is like Moses (peace be upon him):


    i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

    [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


    ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

    iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive.
    (4:157-158)


    Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is from among the brethren of Moses (peace be upon him). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (peace be upon him) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (peace be upon him) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (peace be upon him).


    Words in the mouth:

    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

    [Deuteronomy 18:18]



    iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

    v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
    people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

    iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).


    2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

    "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."



    3. Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."


    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".


    4. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) mentioned by name in the old testament:

    Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."


    "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."


    In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is yet present.



    To Be continued...
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in the Bible.

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    Originally Posted by thirdwatch512
    jesus's father was joseph.

    oh, and i take the back, the Torah never does say the prophets must be jewish.

    however, if you read the Torah completely, it predicts ONE messiah in the future.. one. no more then that. it basically talks about all of the prophets that have come and their laws, and then it says that in the future another prophet will come.. but no other prophets. just one messiah. and muslims can't think that mohammad was the one, because although he may very well fit the discription of the messiah, islam also accepts jesus as a prophet, which would be impossible according to the torah.

    nuff said
    Assalamu 'alaykum,

    A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

    Astagfirrallah...

    but, erm, huh????

    you're agreeing to a statement that makes no sense...

    however, if you read the Torah completely, it predicts ONE messiah in the future.. one. no more then that. it basically talks about all of the prophets that have come and their laws,
    so...of the Prophets in the Nevi'im, and especially all those PROPHETS with scrolls NAMED after them , and Kethuvim; what are they? chopped liver??

    and then it says that in the future another prophet will come.. but no other prophets
    [see above]

    and muslims can't think that mohammad was the one, because although he may very well fit the discription of the messiah
    i hope yer not thinking that the Rasul Allah(SWT) is the Jewish Messiah! the Qur'an itself assigns that title to Isa/Jesus(as)

    [3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
    The Women

    islam also accepts jesus as a prophet
    OK, that parts OK!

    which would be impossible according to the torah.
    so, about all those Messianic Jews????

    still puzzled....



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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in the Bible.

    assalamu alikum

    i love reading/listening to dr. zakir naik's lectures.
    very influtential! mashallah

    barakallahu feek

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    I find it humorous that Muslims insist that the Injils (Gospels) are corrupted by men and yet insist on using them to defend Islam. You can't have it both ways - either ignore them or accept them...

    Quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor View Post
    where oh where did you get THAT idea??? Moses WASN'T a "Jew"! neither were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph!!! before the birth of Judah, the concept didn't exist...
    Oh no, not historical revisionism!!!!!!!!!!

    What were these great patriarches then?
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in the Bible.

    Salaam/peace;


    Quote Originally Posted by Alexius View Post
    I find it humorous that Muslims insist that the Injils (Gospels) are corrupted by men and yet insist on using them to defend Islam. You can't have it both ways - either ignore them or accept them...


    ---We believe the previous holy Books came from God Almighty. Later , books have been corrupted.

    The verses go with Quran's teaching are accepted to us . Examples: God is One , a Prophet will come who won't speak of his own but will speak what God told him so etc :smile:


    the verse that goes against the Quran is fasle such as God is three in one .....very easy to understand the matter. It's not humorous but very logical


    What were these great patriarches then?

    ---what else except Muslims ? :smile:


    They surrendered themselves to one God only , thus they were real Muslims. kay:

    Last edited by Muslim Woman; 02-12-2007 at 09:48 AM.
    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172

    recitation:http://quran.jalisi.com

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexius View Post
    I find it humorous that Muslims insist that the Injils (Gospels) are corrupted by men and yet insist on using them to defend Islam. You can't have it both ways - either ignore them or accept them...

    Originally Posted by YusufNoor
    where oh where did you get THAT idea??? Moses WASN'T a "Jew"! neither were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph!!! before the birth of Judah, the concept didn't exist...


    Oh no, not historical revisionism!!!!!!!!!!

    What were these great patriarches then?
    A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

    Assalamu 'alaykum,

    Oh no, not historical revisionism!!!!!!!!!!
    you're correct, it's NOT revisionism, it's HISTORY!

    btw, i would have called them Hebrews...


    http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=174&o=2440

    Where does the word "Jew" come from?
    by Rabbi Naftali Silberberg
    1. The majority of "Jews" today are descended from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin -- the two tribes who comprised the "Kingdom of Judea."1 The other ten tribes, the "Northern Kingdom," were lost (see Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes) In Hebrew; the word "Jew" (Yehudi) is a clear derivative of the word Judah ("Yehudah").
    2. As mentioned, the name "Jew" comes from the Hebrew word "Yehudi."
    The Talmud (Megillah 13a) says that the name Yehudi applies to anyone who rejects idolatry and accepts the one true G-d. (The word "Hoda'ah," which is the root of the word Yehudi (and Yehudah), means to acknowledge). That's why Mordechai, a descendant of the tribe of Benjamin, was called a Yehudi (Esther 2:5).
    All Jews, no matter their ancestry, are called "Yehudim" (Jews), because every Jew possesses a G-dly soul, which is characterized by an unwavering belief in G-d.
    For a deeper explanation of the "Jew" phenomenon, go to Purim: The Holiday When We Became Jewish.


    http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=529&o=2038538
    Purim: The Holiday When We Became Jewish
    by Rabbi Naftali Silberberg
    One of the questions I frequently receive is regarding the name “Jew”. The word Jew is a derivative of the name Judah, Jacob’s fourth son; hence calling someone by this name would seemingly imply that the person is a descendant of that particular tribe. However, as is well known, Jacob bore twelve sons, all of whom are the antecedents of our great nation. Why, then, is the entire Israelite nation known as “Jews”?1
    Perhaps this question can be cleared up by analyzing the very first individual to be dubbed Jew: “There was a Jewish man in Shushan the capital, whose name was Mordechai the son of Yair... a Benjaminite” (Esther 2:5). Yes, the first “Jew” was actually from the tribe of Benjamin!
    An objective study of the Purim story reveals that the whole frightening episode was plainly avoidable. The entire incident was a result of Mordechai’s obstinate adherence to a code of behavior, which was clearly outdated and inappropriate for the times. Mordechai was an elderly rabbi who yet recalled days – more than half a century beforehand – when the Holy Temple stood in Jerusalem and Torah Law was supreme. His snubbing of Haman might have been condign during that generation—but how dare he put his entire nation in danger of extinction by slighting the king’s favorite minister? Apparently someone neglected to inform this sage that the ability to conform is the trick to survival!
    The entire incident was a result of Mordechai’s obstinate adherence to a code of behavior, which was clearly outdated and inappropriate for the times
    Mordechai, however, thought otherwise; and he had a famous precedent supporting his “foolish” actions. Many years earlier, a powerful Egyptian ruler wished to take his ancestor, Benjamin, as a slave. Benjamin’s brother Judah wouldn’t hear of such a possibility. In what would be his proudest and most defining moment, Judah completely ignored all royal protocol, angrily approached the powerful ruler – who, unbeknownst to him, was actually their brother Joseph – and threateningly demanded Benjamin’s release.
    Judah is the embodiment of the exiled Israelite who must walk a thin tightrope: While he must live at peace with his neighbors, follow the law and customs of the land, and “pray for the peace of the regime,” he has the courage of his convictions to stand up against all the powers that be in order to defend his ideals. “Only our bodies were sent into exile; not our souls!”
    Mordechai “the Jew” was a proud student of his great-uncle Judah. He knew that Torah law forbids a Jew from bowing to Haman (and the statuette which dangled from a chain around his neck), and for him that was the final word. Indeed Judah’s and Mordechai’s actions were vindicated as events unfolded—no harm came to either of them as a result of their brave conduct.
    Leading by example, Mordechai succeeded in implanting this sense of pride in the hearts of the masses. When Haman issued his decree of annihilation, not one Israelite even considered abandoning his religion in order to be spared death. At that moment, we all became “Jews”. Accordingly, the Megillah is the first place where our nation as a whole is referred to as Jews.
    The grand story of history concludes in similar fashion as the Purim story: we are here to tell the tale and they aren’t...
    The name stuck. Because the next 2500 years would repeatedly test our “Jewishness”. Under countless regimes – both friendly and, as was usually the case, hostile – we struggled against friends and enemies who wished to impose their will upon us at the expense of our relationship with G-d. Again and again we proved ourselves true to G-d, earning the name Jew through oceans of blood and tears.
    The grand story of history concludes in similar fashion as the Purim story: we are here to tell the tale and they aren’t… The joy of Purim is greater than any other holiday because it tells the story of the nation who never allowed its soul to be shackled—the story of the Jew.2

    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other scriptures.




    In Hindu Scriptures



    NAME OF KALKI AVTAR


    * According to Kalki Puran the name of Kalki Avtar will be "SARWANAMA".
    The meaning of "ANAMA" is praised one and "SARW" mean most of all, so "Sarwanama" means the most praised one and in Arabic language "Muhammad " has the same meaning, if we translate Sanskrit word Sarwanama in to Arabic language it will be "Muhammad" only difference is the language.



    PARENTS OF KALKI AVTAR

    * "He will be born from "SOOMATI" and his father's name will be "VAISHNUVESH"." (Kalki Puran 2, Shloka II)
    VAISHNUVESH and SOOMATI means servant of God (the cherisher) and peace, respectively. Prophet Muhammad father's name was ABDULLAH in Arabic language, which means God's servant, and his mother's name was AMINA in Arabic language, which means peace, so if we translate Sanskrit word "Vaishnuvesh & Soomati" in Arabic language it will be "Abdullah & Amina". So again the difference of language.



    PLACE OF BIRTH

    * "HE will be born at "SHAMBAL GARAM" in VAISHNUVESH'S Brahmin Mahant's (religious saint) respectable house" (Bhagwat Puran, Khand 12, Shloka 18 and Kalki Puran Adhay 2, Shloka 4)

    SHAMBAL mean peace and GARAM mean city or village, so SHAMBAL GARAM means a peace full city or city of peace, and this quality & name has been specified only for Arabia's city "MAKKAH" no other city in the world has been named city of peace. In the Holy Quran this city has been called as "ALBALAD ALAMEEN" which mean peace full city or city of peace. For reference see Holy Quran (14:35) O God, make it (Makkah) a City of Peace". And Makkah is the city where prophet Muhammad (PBUH) born.
    VAISHNU-VESH, Vaishnu is actually God's name and VESH means servant or BHAGAT and man, Vaishnuvesh mean God's servant or God's devotee and in Arabic language ABDULLAH has the same meanings.

    BRAHMIN MAHANT mean religious saint and Makkah's religious and respectable saint was "Hasham", then "Mutlib", then Hasham's son "Abdul Mutlib" became the religious saint of Makkah, who was the grand father of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and during the period of religious saint Muhammad was born in home of Abdullah son of Abdul Mutlib. In short, Muhammad was born in the respectable tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah. So according to scripture Kalki Avtar will be born in Brahmin Mahant's (religious saint) respectable family.





    DATE OF BIRTH OF KALKI AVTAR


    * He will be born in the month of Bisakh on 12th day (Kalki Puran Adhay 2, Shloka 15)

    Baisakh is famous month in Hindi, which is still known with this name. According to Hindi calendar Muhammad was born on 12th Baisakh of 628 Bakrami, and this day according to Arabic calendar is 12th Rabiyyyul Awwal. So the date of birth matches with Kalki Avtar.





    THE PERIOD OF KALKI AVTAR


    * Kalki Avtar would ride horse, camel and keep the sword to kill the devil and enemies of religion.


    It mean that Kalki Avtar will be born in the past time when horse and camel were used for riding and sword was being used for fight. And in this period and in the coming future people will use cars, train & planes for riding and guns, missiles will be use for fighting. So it is now useless to wait for Avtar in future. We should not forget that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was borne during the time of horse & camel, and he fought with sword during battles against infidels.



    DEATH OF KALKI AVTAR'S PARENTS

    * Kalki Avtar's Father will die before his birth and his Mother will die after few years of his birth. (Kalki Puran, Bhaghwat Puran Khand 12)
    These two indications clearly fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). His Father died few days earlier of his birth and his Mother died when Muhammad was only six year old. For reference please study the life history of prophet Muhammad (PBUH).



    KALKI AVTAR WILL GET WISDOM ON A MOUNTAIN

    * According to Kalki Puran, the Kalki Avtar will receive wisdom or knowledge on a mountain's cave from PERSHURAM (angle).
    As every one knows that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was busy in his pray in a cave of mountain "HIRA" and there one day an Angle (Gabriel) appeared and brought the first revelation from God. For reference Holy Quran (96:1) "Read (Prophet Muhammad) with the name of Allah" and he replied " I am not learned" the same indication was given in the Christian's scripture (Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12) " and the book delivered to him that is not learned, saying " Read this", I pray thee: and he said, I am not learned", this is another prove of his prophecy. So prophet Muhammad received his first revelation in the cave of mountain HIRA. And this prediction also fit on him.





    PREACHING, IRRITATION, MIGRATION AND RETURN TO HIS CITY


    * It is further written in the kalki Puran that " Kalki avtar will start his preaching from the city SHAMBHAL GARAM (Makkah: city of peace) which is situated in SALAM DEEP (Jazeeratul Arab), but people of that city will be against him and irritate him, so he will migrate to another city (Madina) which will be covered with mountains. Then after few years, he will be returned to his city with sword and conquer the city and the whole country."

    This prediction also fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). He started his preaching from Makkah (city of peace), which is situated in Jazeeratul Arab (salam deep), when people of Makkah tried to irritate him he migrated towards the city covered with mountains (Madina) with his companions. And after few years he came back with sword and his 10,000 companions and conquered the city Makkah and after that the whole Arab. For reference please study life history of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and this incidence is famous with the name of " Fateh Makkah" in the Islamic history.



    A FLYING HORSE FROM GOD

    * He will receive a flying horse from God, which will be faster than lightning. Riding it he will go around earth and seven skies" (Bhagwat Puran Khand 12, Adhay 2, Shloka19-20)

    This prediction is about Kalki Avtar also match with the Incidence of "MIRAJ" For reference see Holy Quran (17.1) and for detail Hadith s of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) regarding Incidence of Miraj. According to these references Prophet Muhammad traveled the seven skies and there he met with previous Prophets, and for this God gave him a horse name BARQ which mean lightning and word Miraj mean height and ladder. Please study life history of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for details.





    SPLITTING OF MOON

    * According to the scripture Kalki Avtaar will split the moon.
    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) showed this miracle 1,400 ago. For reference see Holy Quran (54:1-3) "The hour drew night and moon rend (split) in twain ..." For more details about moon splitting please study the hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) (Volume 4, book 56, number 830-832 and volume 5, book 58, number 209-211) According to these hadiths" the people of Makkah asked Allah's Apostle to show a miracle (sign of his Prophecy). So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram Mountain"


    There is an interesting tradition in India. Bhoj was an Indian king, there is still city Bhoj on his name in the territory of Kachh (Gujrat). Raja was born after so many years of Bhavish Puran during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). One night he saw moon splitting in two, he asked the Pundits, they studied the Vedas and Puranas, and told the king that this is the miracle of last prophet, when king asked the signs or descriptions of the Prophet, they told," He will be from the city of peace (Makkah) and will be born in the house of a religious saint, his name will be "Narashansah" (praise one: Muhammad in Arabic), he will have four Khulafa and have 12 wifes ". In search of Narashansah, he came to know that he appeared in Makkah. He met with him and embraced Islam at the hand of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and prophet gave him the name Abdullah, when he came back to home his family did not accept him. He spend his whole life in remembering Prophet and in worship of one God. For reference (Dr. Kamala Kant Tewari's book "Kalyuge Ke Antim Rishi" Page5, he took this from Pundit Dharm Ved Apadhye's book "Antim Ishwar Doot" page 97). So Raja was the first Indian who embraced Islam.





    ANGELS WILL HELP HIM DURING WAR

    * Kalki Avtar will be helped by angels during war. (Kalki Puran Adhay 2, Shloka 7)


    This prediction also fit on prophet Muhammad (PBUH), when during the battle of UHAD, BADR etc. God sent His Angels for his help. For reference see Holy Quran (3:123,124,125) "And Allah must assuredly helped you at Badr when you were mortified, therefore fear Allah, in order that you will give thanks to Him. When you said to the believers, is it not enough for you that your Lord should reinforce you with three thousand (3,000) angels sent down upon you? Rather, if you have patience and cautions, and they suddenly come against you, your Lord will reinforce you with five thousand (5,000) angles"
    Holy Quran (9:25) " Allah has helped you on many a battlefield ..."





    FOUR COMPANIONS OF KALKI AVTAR

    * Kalki Avtar with his four companions or will kill the evil. (Kaiki Puran.Adhay 2,Shloka5)


    There were four companions or helpers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who helped him in spreading Islam. Their names are Umar (ra), Abu Bakr (ra), Usman (ra) and Ali (ra). After death of Prophet these companions ruled the country and practically imposed the religion. They are known as Khulafa - e - Rashideen in Islamic history. So this prediction also fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).





    KALKI AVTAR WILL BE THE LAST AVTAR

    * There are 24 main Prophet, but Kalki Avtar will be the last one, who will be the end (seal) of all Prophets. (Bhagwat Puran Partham Khand Adhay 3, Shloka 25)


    No Prophet except Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has declared him as the last Prophet and it is the faith of every Muslim that Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet and no Prophet will come after him. God Himself declared Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet. For reference see (Holy Quran 33.40) " he (Muhammad) is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of Prophets, and Allah is aware of all things .." and in another place God says, " .. This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you. I have approved Islam to be your religion ..." (5.3)


    Another interesting thing is that, in the Holy Quran there are 25 Prophets mentioned by name including Prophet Ahmed (Muhammad) himself, so there were 24 main Prophets before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So these two predictions also fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)





    TULSI DAAS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF KALKI AVTAR

    A famous religious Scholar "TULSI DAAS" presents his conclusion in his book "RAMAYAN", which contains the story of Shri Ram. In this book he discussed and concluded the predictions and indications, which are mentioned in " Sangram Puran" kand 12, Adheyae6.


    * "Here I will not favored anyone, I will say only that which Sadhu and Sants have said in the light of Vedas& Purans."


    * "He will born in 7th Century of Bakrami and with the light of his 4 Sun, he will be appeared in the great darkness."


    Muhammad (PBUH) was born on 12th Baisakh of 628 (7th Century) Bakrami and 4 Sun referred to four Khalifas, as mentioned above.


    * "And he will preach his religion with wisdom and he will give good news and forbid too."


    This prediction also fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) for reference see Holy Quran (33:45,46,47) "O Prophet! LO! WE have sent thee as a witness and a bringer of good tidings and a Warner. And as a summoner unto Allah by His permission, and as a Lamp that give light. And announce unto the believers the good tidings (good news) they will have great bounty from Allah."


    * "He will have 4 respected Khalifas."


    As their name have been mentioned above, Umar, Abu Bakr, Usman & Ali, known as Khulafa - e - Rashedeen in Islamic history.


    * "And when he and his religion will be appeared then, there will be no refuge with out Muhammad (PBUH)"


    To understand the refuge of Muhammad please see Holy Quran (4.13-14) "... he who obey Allah and His messenger (Muhammad), He will admit him to Gardens underneath which rivers flow that is a great wining. And he who disobey Allah and His messenger (Muhammad) and transgress His Bounds; he will admit him to a fire and shall live in it forever. For him, there is a humiliating punishment." And further in Holy Quran (3.132) "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad) in order to be subjected to mercy."


    * "He will be match less and there will be no likeness to him, Tulsi Daas is what ever saying is pet and true."


    According to Quran (68:4) "And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character." And ("Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)"(33:21).


    * "The stair of 10,000 years Prophecy will be completed, then no one will get this Prophecy.


    As explained above (Holy Quran 33:40) " he (Muhammad) is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of Prophets, and Allah is aware of all things .."


    * "A star will shine on the Land of Arab and that land will be very respectable and glorified."


    When all Arabs were is great darkness Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) appeared like a star with the light of Holy Quran.


    * "He will show miracles and will be called as friend of God.
    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) showed many miracles. One of them was miracle of moon splitting as mentioned above.



    SOME MORE CLEAR INDICATIONS OF KALKI AVTAR

    Following are some more and clear indications from Bhovishya Puran: Prati Sarg, Part III:3,3, 5-27 about Kalki Avtar, which clearly fit by name Muhammad & Ahmed and referred to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).




    NAME AND PLACE OF KALKI AVTAR

    * "A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be MAHAMMAD. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Mahadev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the 'Panchgavya' and the Ganges water, (i.e. purging him of all sins) offered him the presents of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, 'I make obeisance to thee.' 'O Ye! The pride of mankind, ("Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)"[Al-Qur'an 33:21].) the dweller in Arabia, (The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert.) Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malechha opponents (idol worshipers, pagans).' 'O Ye! The image of the Most Pious God the biggest Lord, I am a slave to thee, take me as one lying on thy feet.'.." (Bhovishya Puran)


    * "The Malechhas have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in that country. (Bhovishya Puran)


    The name of the Avtar clearly mentioned as "Mahammad" and no other Prophet had this name except Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the last Prophet. It is further clear that Kalki Avtar will be not from the land of India. Rather, he will be from the land of Arab and in Arab there was only Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) born. It is also clear that Aryan religion was only found in India, not in Arabia. The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom.




    * "Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed [note: e.g., Abraha Al-Ashram, the Abyssinian viceroy of Yemen, who attacked Makkah]; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance the well-known MAHAMAD (Mohammad), who has been given by me the epithet of Brahma is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja! You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are". (Bhovishya Puran)





    MEAT & LAWFUL THING EATER, BEARD KEEPER AND ANOUNCING FOR PRAYER (ADAN)

    * "At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of a Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of 'Ishwar Parmatma (God, Supreme Spirit), I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat-eaters." (Bhovishya Puran)


    It is also clear that Kalki Avtar will be meat eater, while in Hindu Dhama meat eating is prohibited. So it is clear that Kalki Avtar will not be from Hindu Dharma. Some people may argue that 'Raja' Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E.)


    * "My follower will be a man circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution, announcing call for prayer (Adan) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine". (Bhovishya Puran)


    In Hindu Dharam Pundits or Brahmins keeps the tail on their heads, while according to Hindu Scripture Kalki will be without tail and on the contrary, he will be keeping the beard, it is well known that it is the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to keep the beard. And only in Islam, Muslims call for prayer during their Adan before Namaz (prayer). In Islam all lawful things and animals are allowed or Halal, while, swine or pork is prohibited (Haram) by God. According to Quran (5.88) "Eat of the lawful and good things, which Allah has provided you." And (2.173) "He has forbidden you the dead blood, and the flesh of swine")





    KALKI AVTAR WILL BE MUSLIM

    * "They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare (Jihad). Because of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmans (Muslims). I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nation." (Bhovishya Puran)


    This indication has clearly proved that the Kalki Avtar is none other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), because the Nation or Ummah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is known as Muslims or Musalman.





    RELIGIOUS LAW

    * "AHMAD acquired religious Law (Shariah) from his Lord. This religious Law is full of wisdom. I receive light from him just as from the Sun.."[Sama Veda II:6,8]


    * The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (PBUH). [Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9]


    Another name of Prophet Muhammad is AHMED, no other prophet had this name except prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Prophet Esa (PBUH) also gave the indication of a Messenger to his nation, who will come after him and his name will be AHMED. According to Quran (61.6)"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be AHMED.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'this is evident sorcery!" (61.6) Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) gave the Islamic Law of SHARIAH. According to Quran (34.28) " We have sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not."


    KALKI WILL BE CAMEL RIDER AND 60,090 ENEMIES

    * "He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies. He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven". [Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13]


    The Sanskrit word Narashansah means 'the praised one', which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (PBUH). The Sanskrit word Kaurama means 'one who spreads and promotes peace'. The holy Prophet was the 'Prince of Peace' and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah that is derived from Mah, which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet's name as 'Mohammad'. According to Buddhism, Buddha said " I am not the only Buddha after me, at appropriate time a great Buddah will come and his name will be "MAITREYA" which means love, kindness, compassion, mercy etc. The Arabic for mercy is rehmet. RAHMAT is the title given to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in the Holy Quran (21:07) "Rahmatan lil Alameen" Mercy unto the worlds. Buddha further said, "He will migrate from his homeland" (Makkah to Madinah).





    TEN THOUSAND COMPANIONS OF KALKI AVTAR
    * "The wagon-possessor, the truthful and truth loving, extremely wise, powerful and generous, Mamah [Mohammad] has favored me with his words. The son of the All-powerful, possessing all good attributes, the mercy for the worlds has become famous with ten thousand [companions]". [Rig Veda V, 27, Mantra 1]


    The ten thousands Saints refer to the ten thousands companions who accompanied the Prophet (PBUH) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed.





    HUNDRED GOLD COINS AND TEN CHAPLETS OF KALKI AVTAR

    * "He gave the Mamah Rishi a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets, three hundred steeds and ten thousand cows". [Kuntap Sukt, Atharva Veda, Mantra 3]


    He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah.
    The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news).


    300 good steeds (horses of Arab Breed) refer to those companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who fought at BADR. (Their actual number was 313; however, in many prophecies the numbers are usually rounded up.)


    The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw, which means 'to go to war'. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (PBUH) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah.





    THE CONCLUSION


    The above references from the Hindu Scriptures prove that Hindus were foretold about the worship of one God and were also foretold about the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in their Holy Scriptures. But, they denied their Holy Scriptures and invented their own rules and regulations in the religion, and changed their religion according to their own materialistic and vain desires and made idols (images) of gods and their Avtars Ram & Karishana etc, and worshipped them as God. This is, how true religions of Vedas converted in to man-made religion (Hinduism).
    With the above facts references from the Vedas & other Hindu Scriptures, it is possible that, Hindu Pundits and Brahmins might have changed the true concepts given in the Vedas into Hinduism as Christians have changed the true religion (Islam) of Jesus (PBUH) into Christianity.


    The thing which is needed to do is that, Muslim scholars should take steps to preach the Hindus not only with the reference of Holy Quran but, with the fact references from their own Hindu Scriptures. According to whom worship of one God is allowed, so they should discard idol and murti worship and worship only one God according to their Scriptures. Secondly, the Kalki Avtar (Coming Prophet) which has been mentioned by name "Muhammad" & "Ahmed" in their Scriptures and all the indications about his Prophet hood mentioned in their Scriptures have been gone through and completed 1,400 years before, with the advent of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and the religious law (The Quran) has been revealed on him. So, now it is the religious duty of each Hindu to accept Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as their last Avtar (Prophet), and the Quran as their last revealed Scripture and embrace ISLAM the religion of their last Avtar (Prophet) which has been chosen, perfected and authorized by his one God and become Muslim. Because according to Holy Quran:-


    * "This day I have perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you. I have approved Islam to be your religion ..." (5.3).


    * "Allah has chosen for you the religion. Do not die except being Submissive (Muslim) (2.132)


    * "It is HE who has been sent His Messenger with guidance the religion of truth (Islam), so that exalts it above all other religions. Allah is the sufficient witness" (48:28)


    * "The only religion with Allah is Islam (submission) (3:19)


    * "He who chooses a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the everlasting life he will be among the losers" (3:85)
    So, Islam is the only religion chosen and approved by God and Islam supersedes and suppress all the other religions, because no other religion will be accepted except Islam. So Hindus leave your obstinacy, which has become obstacle for you, use your wisdom & intellect and courage, do not be among the losers and embrace Islam as your religion. After these arguments, there will be no excuse for Hindus to accept Islam. I hope Muslim scholars will find and get positive answer, because natural and psychological instinct is still working unconsciously in the minds of Hindu as it was working before. It will certainly be a great achievement for the Muslim scholars.


    http://www.understanding-islam.com/r...ticle&raid=275


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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    Scripture clearly states what it means to be a Prophet like Moses -

    Deu 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

    Did Muhammad know God "face to face"? It is a simple yes or no question. If he didn't, then he is not the prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18. It is that simple.

    John chapter 14 verse 16:

    "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

    Jesus said that the Comforter would be given to his Apostles. Muhammad did not appear until centuries later, thus he can not be the Comforter Jesus spoke about. If that is not enough Jesus clearly states who the Comforter is

    Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    The Comforter is a spirit, Muhammad was not. The Comforter was promised to the Apostles, so that they would remember all that Jesus taught them. Did Muhammad appear to the Apostles? If not, he was not the Comforter Jesus spoke of.

    Dr. Zakir Naik would of done well to have read the Bible a little more carefully.

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    Scripture clearly states what it means to be a Prophet like Moses -

    Deu 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

    Did Muhammad know God "face to face"? It is a simple yes or no question. If he didn't, then he is not the prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18. It is that simple.
    I had a whole reply prepared but I just want to clarify, what is meant speak face to face?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    John chapter 14 verse 16:

    "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

    Jesus said that the Comforter would be given to his Apostles. Muhammad did not appear until centuries later, thus he can not be the Comforter Jesus spoke about. If that is not enough Jesus clearly states who the Comforter is

    Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    The Comforter is a spirit, Muhammad was not. The Comforter was promised to the Apostles, so that they would remember all that Jesus taught them. Did Muhammad appear to the Apostles? If not, he was not the Comforter Jesus spoke of.

    Two points I see, 1. Muhammad did not come until after Jesus' audience, i.e. those disciples he directly spoke to had gone. 2. Muhammad was not a spirit but the Comforter would be a spirit.

    1:
    Let me narrate something that many Christians use today to say that they should spread the Message;


    Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

    So whilst we see that the command was given to the disciples only, it incooperates all the true followers even after those disciples die. So although Jesus spoke it directly to the 11, this included the 'family' of believers in Jesus, and not neccesarily only the 11.

    This embodiment of the followers of Jesus is recorded in the Prayer of Jesus in the Gospel according to John, chapter 17


    20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one,


    So the believers are one, the real followers of Jesus. Also, from the above we realise that when Jesus spoke sometimes he might be physically speaking to some people but that message might be a message that encopasses not just those but the WHOLE Family of the followers. Thus Jesus could be speaking to the immidiate audience the disciples but the whole audience included the disciples who walked with him and those who did not. Jesus's message here could be to all the believers, i.e. that the comforter will come, not just to the immidiate audience. Just like the great commision was the same.

    As for the spirit here, well the word spirit and man can be used interchangebly;


    1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    1 John 4:1
    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    I had a whole reply prepared but I just want to clarify, what is meant speak face to face?
    Scripture would indicate that this means that God talked to Moses directly in an audible voice.

    Exo 33:11 And the LORD spoke unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    So whilst we see that the command was given to the disciples only, it incooperates all the true followers even after those disciples die. So although Jesus spoke it directly to the 11, this included the 'family' of believers in Jesus, and not necessarily only the 11.
    This is true, but that does not negate the fact that Comforter was promised to the Apostles.

    As for the spirit here, well the word spirit and man can be used interchangebly;

    1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    I disagree with this interpretation. I think the passage is saying that prophets can be inspired by spirits which do not come from God, not that these spirits and these prophets are one and the same. I give this passage in support -

    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor View Post
    A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

    Assalamu 'alaykum,



    you're correct, it's NOT revisionism, it's HISTORY!

    btw, i would have called them Hebrews...


    http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=174&o=2440

    Where does the word "Jew" come from?
    by Rabbi Naftali Silberberg
    1. The majority of "Jews" today are descended from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin -- the two tribes who comprised the "Kingdom of Judea."1 The other ten tribes, the "Northern Kingdom," were lost (see Mystery of the Ten Lost Tribes) In Hebrew; the word "Jew" (Yehudi) is a clear derivative of the word Judah ("Yehudah").
    2. As mentioned, the name "Jew" comes from the Hebrew word "Yehudi."
    The Talmud (Megillah 13a) says that the name Yehudi applies to anyone who rejects idolatry and accepts the one true G-d. (The word "Hoda'ah," which is the root of the word Yehudi (and Yehudah), means to acknowledge). That's why Mordechai, a descendant of the tribe of Benjamin, was called a Yehudi (Esther 2:5).
    All Jews, no matter their ancestry, are called "Yehudim" (Jews), because every Jew possesses a G-dly soul, which is characterized by an unwavering belief in G-d.
    For a deeper explanation of the "Jew" phenomenon, go to Purim: The Holiday When We Became Jewish.


    http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=529&o=2038538
    Purim: The Holiday When We Became Jewish
    by Rabbi Naftali Silberberg
    One of the questions I frequently receive is regarding the name “Jew”. The word Jew is a derivative of the name Judah, Jacob’s fourth son; hence calling someone by this name would seemingly imply that the person is a descendant of that particular tribe. However, as is well known, Jacob bore twelve sons, all of whom are the antecedents of our great nation. Why, then, is the entire Israelite nation known as “Jews”?1
    Perhaps this question can be cleared up by analyzing the very first individual to be dubbed Jew: “There was a Jewish man in Shushan the capital, whose name was Mordechai the son of Yair... a Benjaminite” (Esther 2:5). Yes, the first “Jew” was actually from the tribe of Benjamin!
    An objective study of the Purim story reveals that the whole frightening episode was plainly avoidable. The entire incident was a result of Mordechai’s obstinate adherence to a code of behavior, which was clearly outdated and inappropriate for the times. Mordechai was an elderly rabbi who yet recalled days – more than half a century beforehand – when the Holy Temple stood in Jerusalem and Torah Law was supreme. His snubbing of Haman might have been condign during that generation—but how dare he put his entire nation in danger of extinction by slighting the king’s favorite minister? Apparently someone neglected to inform this sage that the ability to conform is the trick to survival!
    The entire incident was a result of Mordechai’s obstinate adherence to a code of behavior, which was clearly outdated and inappropriate for the times
    Mordechai, however, thought otherwise; and he had a famous precedent supporting his “foolish” actions. Many years earlier, a powerful Egyptian ruler wished to take his ancestor, Benjamin, as a slave. Benjamin’s brother Judah wouldn’t hear of such a possibility. In what would be his proudest and most defining moment, Judah completely ignored all royal protocol, angrily approached the powerful ruler – who, unbeknownst to him, was actually their brother Joseph – and threateningly demanded Benjamin’s release.
    Judah is the embodiment of the exiled Israelite who must walk a thin tightrope: While he must live at peace with his neighbors, follow the law and customs of the land, and “pray for the peace of the regime,” he has the courage of his convictions to stand up against all the powers that be in order to defend his ideals. “Only our bodies were sent into exile; not our souls!”
    Mordechai “the Jew” was a proud student of his great-uncle Judah. He knew that Torah law forbids a Jew from bowing to Haman (and the statuette which dangled from a chain around his neck), and for him that was the final word. Indeed Judah’s and Mordechai’s actions were vindicated as events unfolded—no harm came to either of them as a result of their brave conduct.
    Leading by example, Mordechai succeeded in implanting this sense of pride in the hearts of the masses. When Haman issued his decree of annihilation, not one Israelite even considered abandoning his religion in order to be spared death. At that moment, we all became “Jews”. Accordingly, the Megillah is the first place where our nation as a whole is referred to as Jews.
    The grand story of history concludes in similar fashion as the Purim story: we are here to tell the tale and they aren’t...
    The name stuck. Because the next 2500 years would repeatedly test our “Jewishness”. Under countless regimes – both friendly and, as was usually the case, hostile – we struggled against friends and enemies who wished to impose their will upon us at the expense of our relationship with G-d. Again and again we proved ourselves true to G-d, earning the name Jew through oceans of blood and tears.
    The grand story of history concludes in similar fashion as the Purim story: we are here to tell the tale and they aren’t… The joy of Purim is greater than any other holiday because it tells the story of the nation who never allowed its soul to be shackled—the story of the Jew.2

    This is a fantastic post... Thanks for sharing
    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    This is true, but that does not negate the fact that Comforter was promised to the Apostles.

    I disagree with this interpretation. I think the passage is saying that prophets can be inspired by spirits which do not come from God, not that these spirits and these prophets are one and the same. I give this passage in support -

    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places

    The verse doesn't really prove anything, I mean we both agree that there is afight against spiratual. But rather, even if I agree, that the spirit is only what provides the info to the prophet, people are told to test the spirits, for false prophets have gone into the world, so similarly, this could refer to sending a spirit which will guide Muhammad, peace be upon him, and as such the people should test Muhammad, because Muhammad inevitably will do what his spirit tells him.

    Also with regards to the apostles thing;


    17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

    21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

    The prophet like unto moses, peace be upon him, was promised to the people at that time, it even says 'youmay say to yourselfs "how can weknow..."' so its clear that it was talking to them collectivly, present and future, thought it was doing this, it did not neccesitate that the Prophet should be born then at that time before the death of those.
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    The verse doesn't really prove anything, I mean we both agree that there is afight against spiratual. But rather, even if I agree, that the spirit is only what provides the info to the prophet, people are told to test the spirits, for false prophets have gone into the world, so similarly, this could refer to sending a spirit which will guide Muhammad, peace be upon him, and as such the people should test Muhammad, because Muhammad inevitably will do what his spirit tells him.

    Also with regards to the apostles thing;

    17 The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

    21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
    The prophet like unto moses, peace be upon him, was promised to the people at that time, it even says 'youmay say to yourselfs "how can weknow..."' so its clear that it was talking to them collectivly, present and future, thought it was doing this, it did not neccesitate that the Prophet should be born then at that time before the death of those.
    Claim: The Torah Itself Predicts Mohammed as a Prophet

    Many Muslims will claim that the Torah itself (apparently the "uncorrupted" part) predicts the coming of their so-called prophet some time after the giving of the Torah. All Bible translations are directly from the Hebrew, all of them literal.

    Where Did They Get That Idea?


    The relevant verse of the Torah is as follows:
    Deuteronomy 18:18 A prophet I will raise up for them from amongst their brethren like you and I will give my words into his lips and he will speak about them all that I command him.
    We must ask the following: who is "I", who is "you", who is "them/their"? "I" is G-d, "you" is Moses, "them/their" refers to the Israelites.
    So a paraphrase could be: G-d will raise up for the Israelites a prophet from the Israelites' brethren some time in the future that will be like Moses and speak the words of G-d.

    Having established that, what's the connection?
    The assertion is that "from amongst their brethren" refers to the Ishmaelites, and as Muslims assert many times, Mohammed is descended from Abraham through Ishmael.

    In order to properly analyze this, I will not make a table comparing Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, as many do on both Christian and Muslim websites in order to pervert the meaning of this verse.

    Instead, I will make a minor sidestep into the world of Jewish thought.
    For those of us that do not have the presumption that the Torah is wrong and faulty, there is a list of thirteen basic rules on how to deduce meaning from the Torah. They are provided as the introduction to Sifre, and are recited in the preliminary portion of the daily morning prayers.
    Just as in the Torah where there are laws that are obviously "just" and those that we cannot comprehend, a parallel applies here. Some rules make sense, and others are assertions of rules. I will make use of two rules that make a good deal of sense.

    Rule number 2 states quite simply "mig'zerah shavah" which means "From a decree of equality".

    Rule number 12 is that "davar halamed m'inyano, v'davar halamed m'sofo" which is often translated like "An item is taught/clarified from it's context, or from nearby verses."

    Why these two rules? Rule number 2 tells us that if we have a word in one location that is vague, and the same word elsewhere more clear, we can use one to clarify the other. The reason for the second rule will be evident shortly.

    The Rebuttal


    Just a chapter back, in Deuteronomy 17, we find a similar phrase, but the voice is different. This time Moses is delivering a message from G-d directly to the Israelites, speaking to the Israelites as a single group, instead of us hearing what G-d says to Moses.
    Deuteronomy 17:15 You shall put (appoint) upon yourself a king that G-d will pick him; from amongst your brethren you shall appoint a king; you will not be able to give upon yourself a foreign man that is not your brother.
    This verse, just a chapter behind the verse about the prophet is quite explicit. It uses the phrase "amongst (their/your) brethren" and then clarifies that a foreigner, which is definitely a non-Israelite, is not the Israelite's brother.

    For further explicitness of the term foreigner, let's turn to Exodus 12.
    Exodus 12:43 And G-d said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover offering, every son of a foreigner shall not eat of it.
    Conclusion

    Since we can now see that a foreigner does not take part of something as central as the Passover celebration, which is incumbant on all Israelite males when the Temple stands, we can see that a foreigner is simply a non-Israelite, and it doesn't matter their genealogy.

    That being said, we have also shown that a foreigner is someone who is not from "amongst the brethren" of the Israelites. This being said, it is an incredible leap of both faith and logic to assume that Mohammed the Ishmaelite is predicted by the Torah as coming as a new prophet of a new religion for the Jews.
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

    Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu,

    That being said, we have also shown that a foreigner is someone who is not from "amongst the brethren" of the Israelites. This being said, it is an incredible leap of both faith and logic to assume that Mohammed the Ishmaelite is predicted by the Torah as coming as a new prophet of a new religion for the Jews.
    why, yes, it IS an icredible leap of faith! but that leap can only come from Allah(SWT)! Allah(SWT) guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide. BUT the Prophet of Allah,(SAWS), came NOT to institute a "new religion of the Jews", but as a Mercy for all mankind! the Jews are too busy following the sunnah of Ezra to ever re-establish their connection to Allah(SWT). i guess killing and rejecting prophets is more profitable than adhering to the Word of Allah(SWT)!

    In order to properly analyze this, I will not make a table comparing Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, as many do on both Christian and Muslim websites in order to pervert the meaning of this verse.
    of course you won't! because THAT would clearly show the evidence in the favor of the Messenger of Allah, (SAWS)! but again, guidance comes from Allah(SWT), whom guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide.

    Since we can now see that a foreigner does not take part of something as central as the Passover celebration, which is incumbant on all Israelite males when the Temple stands, we can see that a foreigner is simply a non-Israelite, and it doesn't matter their genealogy.
    totally irrevelant, as due the sinful nature of, and continuous rejection of Allah(SWT) by the Jewish people, NO Temple for the Jews has existed for nearly 2000 years! [despite claims of an "eternal" promise from Allah(SWT)!]

    Deuteronomy 18:18 A prophet I will raise up for them from amongst their brethren like you and I will give my words into his lips and he will speak about them all that I command him.
    of course, we wouldn't expect someone who erroneously calls Abraham(as) a Jew[as if he(as) was a sinner, idolater and rejector of Allah(SWT)] to understand that the connection of the children of Abraham(as) is that they are Hebrew! but again, guidance comes from Allah(SWT), whom guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide.

    youl can just wait for the Day of Reckoning and see if Ezra will have the ability to intercede on behalf of the Jews or not. we will wait with you!

    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

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    why, yes, it IS an icredible leap of faith! but that leap can only come from Allah(SWT)! Allah(SWT) guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide. BUT the Prophet of Allah,(SAWS), came NOT to institute a "new religion of the Jews", but as a Mercy for all mankind! the Jews are too busy following the sunnah of Ezra to ever re-establish their connection to Allah(SWT). i guess killing and rejecting prophets is more profitable than adhering to the Word of Allah(SWT)!
    I think you do not understand the wording.

    It is also an incredible leap of faith in that context to view that the word Shalom which means "Hello" can also mean "High" as in "High in the air".

    of course you won't! because THAT would clearly show the evidence in the favor of the Messenger of Allah, (SAWS)! but again, guidance comes from Allah(SWT), whom guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide.
    We won't because Jesus and Mohammad were false.

    totally irrevelant, as due the sinful nature of, and continuous rejection of Allah(SWT) by the Jewish people, NO Temple for the Jews has existed for nearly 2000 years! [despite claims of an "eternal" promise from Allah(SWT)!]
    That is because we are in exile. Do you understand the concept of golus?

    of course, we wouldn't expect someone who erroneously calls Abraham(as) a Jew[as if he(as) was a sinner, idolater and rejector of Allah(SWT)] to understand that the connection of the children of Abraham(as) is that they are Hebrew! but again, guidance comes from Allah(SWT), whom guides whom He(SWT) wills to guide.

    youl can just wait for the Day of Reckoning and see if Ezra will have the ability to intercede on behalf of the Jews or not. we will wait with you!
    lol, your really pumped up today aren't you.

    So after offering no poof, nor being able to debunk the claims, you just wildly shout "Ezra" "Sin" "Idolator" like no tommorow. How convincing.

    The verdict stands. Mohammad is not in the Torah, nor anywhere in the Tanakh.

    You should also chill out
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Claim: The Torah Itself Predicts Mohammed as a Prophet

    Many Muslims will claim that the Torah itself (apparently the "uncorrupted" part) predicts the coming of their so-called prophet some time after the giving of the Torah. All Bible translations are directly from the Hebrew, all of them literal.

    Where Did They Get That Idea?


    The relevant verse of the Torah is as follows:
    Deuteronomy 18:18 A prophet I will raise up for them from amongst their brethren like you and I will give my words into his lips and he will speak about them all that I command him.
    We must ask the following: who is "I", who is "you", who is "them/their"? "I" is G-d, "you" is Moses, "them/their" refers to the Israelites.
    So a paraphrase could be: G-d will raise up for the Israelites a prophet from the Israelites' brethren some time in the future that will be like Moses and speak the words of G-d.

    Having established that, what's the connection?
    The assertion is that "from amongst their brethren" refers to the Ishmaelites, and as Muslims assert many times, Mohammed is descended from Abraham through Ishmael.

    In order to properly analyze this, I will not make a table comparing Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, as many do on both Christian and Muslim websites in order to pervert the meaning of this verse.

    Instead, I will make a minor sidestep into the world of Jewish thought.
    For those of us that do not have the presumption that the Torah is wrong and faulty, there is a list of thirteen basic rules on how to deduce meaning from the Torah. They are provided as the introduction to Sifre, and are recited in the preliminary portion of the daily morning prayers.
    Just as in the Torah where there are laws that are obviously "just" and those that we cannot comprehend, a parallel applies here. Some rules make sense, and others are assertions of rules. I will make use of two rules that make a good deal of sense.

    Rule number 2 states quite simply "mig'zerah shavah" which means "From a decree of equality".

    Rule number 12 is that "davar halamed m'inyano, v'davar halamed m'sofo" which is often translated like "An item is taught/clarified from it's context, or from nearby verses."

    Why these two rules? Rule number 2 tells us that if we have a word in one location that is vague, and the same word elsewhere more clear, we can use one to clarify the other. The reason for the second rule will be evident shortly.

    The Rebuttal


    Just a chapter back, in Deuteronomy 17, we find a similar phrase, but the voice is different. This time Moses is delivering a message from G-d directly to the Israelites, speaking to the Israelites as a single group, instead of us hearing what G-d says to Moses.
    Deuteronomy 17:15 You shall put (appoint) upon yourself a king that G-d will pick him; from amongst your brethren you shall appoint a king; you will not be able to give upon yourself a foreign man that is not your brother.
    This verse, just a chapter behind the verse about the prophet is quite explicit. It uses the phrase "amongst (their/your) brethren" and then clarifies that a foreigner, which is definitely a non-Israelite, is not the Israelite's brother.

    For further explicitness of the term foreigner, let's turn to Exodus 12.
    Exodus 12:43 And G-d said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover offering, every son of a foreigner shall not eat of it.
    Conclusion

    Since we can now see that a foreigner does not take part of something as central as the Passover celebration, which is incumbant on all Israelite males when the Temple stands, we can see that a foreigner is simply a non-Israelite, and it doesn't matter their genealogy.

    That being said, we have also shown that a foreigner is someone who is not from "amongst the brethren" of the Israelites. This being said, it is an incredible leap of both faith and logic to assume that Mohammed the Ishmaelite is predicted by the Torah as coming as a new prophet of a new religion for the Jews.
    May you please post all of chapter 17 from your translations please.
    Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    May you please post all of chapter 17 from your translations please.
    Shalom Al Habeshi,

    People who speak Hebrew do not use translations unless they quote in mass. They read the original text. Hebrew and English are such different languages that it is tough to rest on the translation given, (especially by Christians).

    I love this site though:

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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Ok, can you sum up then your rebuttle, i.e what I understand is, the your bethren means amongst yourself because this is what is used in the previous chapter.
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    Re: Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) Prophecised in other Scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    Ok, can you sum up then your rebuttle, i.e what I understand is, the your bethren means amongst yourself because this is what is used in the previous chapter.
    Yes basically, the Arabs are not considered "brothers" of the Jews or bretherin. The passage refers to an Israelite.
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