Crucifixion

Hello Hana_Aku,

I had asked you the question, “Why do you believe Christ never died on the cross?” This was your response:

“Ohhhh, all the reasons are far too numerous to mention here, but to name a few: 1. Not ONE single eye witness to this “miraculous” event. All his disciples forsook him and fled"- (Mark 14:50).”

I assume if you accept as truth certain verses from the gospels, you also accept as truth all verses of the gospels? Yes or No?
Concerning Jesus death on the cross:
Mat 27:62 The next day, which followed the preparation day, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate
Mat 27:63 and said, "Sir, we remember that while this deceiver was still alive, He said, 'After three days I will rise again.'
Mat 27:64 Therefore give orders that the tomb be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, His disciples may come, steal Him, and tell the people, 'He has been raised from the dead.' Then the last deception will be worse than the first."
Mat 27:65 "You have a guard of soldiers," Pilate told them. "Go and make it as secure as you know how."
Mat 27:66 Then they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting the guard.

Concerning Jesus death on the cross:
Mar 15:39 When the centurion, who was standing opposite Him, saw the way He breathed His last, he said, "This man really was God's Son!"
Mar 15:40 There were also women looking on from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome.
Mar 15:41 When He was in Galilee, they would follow Him and help Him. Many other women had come up with Him to Jerusalem.
Mar 15:42 When it was already evening, because it was preparation day (that is, the day before the Sabbath),
Mar 15:43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Sanhedrin who was himself looking forward to the kingdom of God, came and boldly went in to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body.
Mar 15:44 Pilate was surprised that He was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him whether He had already died.
Mar 15:45 When he found out from the centurion, he gave the corpse to Joseph.
Mar 15:46 After he bought some fine linen, he took Him down and wrapped Him in the linen. Then he placed Him in a tomb cut out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the entrance to the tomb.

Concerning the death of Jesus:
Joh 19:32 So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first man and of the other one who had been crucified with Him.
Joh 19:33 When they came to Jesus, they did not break His legs since they saw that He was already dead.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and at once blood and water came out.

Which of these verses do you believe and which ones do you not believe?

“2. Jesus, pbuh, never taught it or talked about it.”

Mat 17:8 When they looked up they saw no one except Him--Jesus alone.
Mat 17:9 As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, "Don't tell anyone about the vision until the Son of Man is raised from the dead."
Did Jesus never talk about it?

Mar 8:31 Then Jesus began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, be killed, and rise after three days.
Mar 8:32 He was openly talking about this. So Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him.
Did Jesus never talk about it?

Luk 18:31 Then He took the Twelve aside and told them, "Listen! We are going up to Jerusalem. Everything that is written through the prophets about the Son of Man will be accomplished.
Luk 18:32 For He will be handed over to the Gentiles, and He will be mocked, insulted, spit on;
Luk 18:33 and after they flog Him, they will kill Him, and He will rise on the third day."
Did Jesus never talk about it?

Joh 12:32 As for Me, if I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all people to Myself."
Joh 12:33 He said this to signify what kind of death He was about to die.
Did Jesus never talk about it?

“He faced His disciples “after” as a man.”

“After” what?

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me and see; for A SPIRIT has no flesh and bones, as you see me have. . . And he showed them his hands and his feet." Luke 24:39-40.”

There is a context to this verse and it’s found in vs. 37: “But they were startled and terrified and thought they were seeing a ghost.” Jesus had risen from the dead, something no one believed would happen. So when they saw Him, resurrection from the dead was the last thing in their minds. He had to be some ghost. Jesus was pointing out that he was back the way He had left them.

“And here are other verses that show He most certainly did try to defend Himself:
Before Pontius Pilate: "My kingdom is not of this world" — (John 18:36).”

How do you see this as self-defense?

Before the Sanhedrin: "... I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, where the Jews always gather; and in secret have I said nothing…If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil, but if well, why smitest thou me?" John 18:20, 23.

I don’t think you can say this is self-defense. The man who had just struck Jesus in the face for the way he had answered the high priest, demanded an explanation: “Is this the way you answer the high-priest?’ he demanded.” Out of respect for this man who hit him, Jesus answered the question.

“You haven’t offended me at all, but I doubt God is too happy being compared to one of His creations. Yes, Jesus, pbuh, was a man. One of the greatest Prophets, chosen by God to bring His message.”

What’s your understanding of this verse: “If you really knew me (Jesus), you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and you have seen Him” (John 14:7)?

What is your understanding of this verse: “Jesus answered, ‘Don’t you know me Philip, even after I have been among you for such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father living in me, who is doing His work” (John 14:9-10)?

What is your understanding of this verse: “’The Father and I are one.’ Again the Jews picked up rocks to stone Him. Jesus replied, ‘I have shown you many good works from the Father. Which of these works are you stoning Me for?’ ‘We aren't stoning You for a good work,’ the Jews answered, ‘but for blasphemy, because You--being a man--make Yourself God.’”
Based on your beliefs and understanding, if you were with these Jews during this time, do you not think you would have joined them in picking up rocks to stone Jesus Christ? These men who wanted to stone Jesus to death believed Him to be exactly who you believe Him to be—a great prophet who did many good works. But Jesus made Himself to be GOD. Would you not seek to stone Him to death as well?

Again, thanks for your continuing dialogue. Please know that I am not trying to convert you to Christianity. I want to respect your choice to be a Muslim and I want to know and understand your logic and way of thinking.