It is said in the Quran that Allah created life. If Allah were to have created life, there would have been no life till He created it. If there was no life till He created it, Allah would have been dead till He created life. This is a logical absurdity. Can my brethren in Islam therefore please explain why it is said in the Quran that Allah created life?
I didn't mean it in that way, I know muslims believe he is above creation or soemthing liek that.
Let me rephrase it...
Everything is everything there is. God is. God is a part of everything.
I get you. Guys, what he is trying to say is that his "Everything" also includes God. So if God was not created how come "Everything" is created by God. He is trying to play with words which is rather useless. Lets' rephrase it then "God created almost every single thing in this world" basically implying God didn't not create himself and nor was he created.
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God always was, is and always will be
God created everything and wasnt created.
God doesnt need to be a part of his creation.
Yes, I took it into consideration.
Yes, I took it into consideration.
I am not talking about the creation, I am talking about everything.
Reread the last couple of arguments of mine..
I get you. Guys, what he is trying to say is that his "Everything" also includes God. So if God was not created how come "Everything" is created by God. He is trying to play with words which is rather useless. Lets' rephrase it then "God created almost every single thing in this world" basically implying God didn't not create himself and nor was he created.
If somehow I miss you too, than I am sorry.
No, you got it!
I don't think it is useless, logic is all about words.
The Quan says many times that Allah is the crator of all things, every thing.
Now, all things can mean either everything or all things created..
it means everything to the exclusion of God himself because God is not a "thing", and we are saying every "thing",
yeah i can play with words too dude
If you didn't notice, I aknowledged that option in my post.
What is a thing?
The literal translation of teh Quran says God created every thing, not all things, and many if not most islamic sites say he is the creator of everything.
let me ask, do you understand the concept of God being far above all created things?
I am not talking about created things, I talking about a logical peculiarity that arouses alongside with the existence of god. There are many others, they may be word plays, tehy may prove that a thing like god cannot exists...I don't know, I am an agnostic.kay:
I'm not sure I understand the islamic version. Could you revise it for me?
nope, you define it as everything, we see God as far above the created, as he is the creator.
but god and his creation still form something bigger, if nothing else, they form a sum of god and his creation, god+creation.
everything = {god, creation}
God created everthing.
1. Either god created god
2. Or god did not create every element in the group of everything, hence he did not create everything.
Well Allaah has no beginning or end, so you can't branch him under the same things as you've branched life and creations. He is the creator who brought forth the Universe and his beings to dwell in only to worship him.
That Allah existed before life was created is a logical impossibility. If Allah has no begining or end, then life also has no begining or end.
Ladies and gents... please. There is a nonsense in this discussion and it goes in circles. Let's just all accept without mocking each other that we accept the other beliefs, and everything will be fine.
Anyway, it is not this thread, neither another one which will prrove to Atheists the existance of God.
We will all know it once we die. And please no ridiculous comment now à la 'Yeah, you will burn in hell', 'Oh yes, you will know it *giggle*' or silly smilies just to proove, the other is wrong.
Noone is wrong and we are all wrong. Happy now?
Let's shake hands...
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You're stating that it doesn't make sense for a creator to have lived before there was anything living, but if Allaah has no beginning or end then that means he's eternal. He is ever-Living, has always lived, and will continue to live.
Yes, Allah is ever-living. Then why does the Quran say He created life?
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