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    Do any of you ever think about how we should feel about prophets of other faiths? Obviously, I'm not Muslim, so I don't think Muhammed was a prophet. I'm not Mormon, so I don't think Joseph Smith was a prophet. I'm not a Scientologist, so I don't think L. Ron Hubbard was a prophet. I could do the same for a hundred other religions, but those are the ones that came off the top of my head. This leaves me with a puzzle. How do I formulate my view of other faiths prophets, when I don't believe their teachings? I think of 3 options. One is they lied, for whatever reason. Two is that they were just crazy. Three is that they had some experience and then convinced themselves that they heard instruction from God. What do you think? Is this a fair view?

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    No, not if the choices are restricted to 'liar', 'crazy' or 'delusional'. You may decide on one of those in the end, of course, but you dismiss 'four' (which should be 'one'!) far too easily - that they were none of those things.

    It simply isn't enough to say I am not a muslim, Mormon or whatever, and your first task before assigning labels to prophets should be to give serious consideration to their messages.

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Do any of you ever think about how we should feel about prophets of other faiths? Obviously, I'm not Muslim, so I don't think Muhammed was a prophet. I'm not Mormon, so I don't think Joseph Smith was a prophet. I'm not a Scientologist, so I don't think L. Ron Hubbard was a prophet. I could do the same for a hundred other religions, but those are the ones that came off the top of my head. This leaves me with a puzzle. How do I formulate my view of other faiths prophets, when I don't believe their teachings? I think of 3 options. One is they lied, for whatever reason. Two is that they were just crazy. Three is that they had some experience and then convinced themselves that they heard instruction from God. What do you think? Is this a fair view?
    Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

    1st if all, the premise for your question is incorrect. regardless of whether or not you are a Muslim, regardless of your opinion, the Prophet of Allah, Muhammad ibn Abdullah[pbuh] IS the final Messenger of Allah Subahanahu Wa Ta Aala!

    There is no God but Allah[swt], and we worship Him alone and without partners and Muhammad[pbuh] is the slave and final Messenger of Allah.

    what you think of the other religions will not help you on the day of Qiyama. you should be more concerned with why you are rejecting the final Message from your creator and my creator.

    to quote the Messenger[pbuh] of Allah[swt]:

    “In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Peace be upon him who follows the right path. Furthermore, I invite you to Islam and if you become a Muslim you will be safe, and Allah will double your reward, and if you reject this invitation of Islam you will be committing a sin by misguiding your subjects. And I recite to you Allah's statement:

    “O People of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us that we worship none but Allah and that we associate nothing in worship with Him, and that none of us shall take others as Lords beside Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are Muslims (those who have surrendered to Allah). (Qur’an: Surah 3, Ayah 64).”

    The trouble with prophets

    Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    you can tell whos a prophet by what they teach - if it conforms to the ways of all the prophets and teachings of God then you know it

    if not they his a liar - kazzab - dajjal
    The trouble with prophets

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    My tears testify that i have a heart
    yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    No, not if the choices are restricted to 'liar', 'crazy' or 'delusional'. You may decide on one of those in the end, of course, but you dismiss 'four' (which should be 'one'!) far too easily - that they were none of those things.

    It simply isn't enough to say I am not a muslim, Mormon or whatever, and your first task before assigning labels to prophets should be to give serious consideration to their messages.
    Then how do you view them? You're a Buddhist, so obviously you don't believe that the Muslim or Mormon prophets were speaking for God, so why do you believe they did what they did?

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    What is the Criteria for a True Prophet?


    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/202/

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    I am sure in this forum a million words would have been written defining a prophet. Still, for the benefit of late entrants like me with a paucity of time to wade through all that which has been written previously, I shall be thankful if someone would spell out what sort of a person is entitled to be called a prophet.
    The trouble with prophets

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by K.Venugopal View Post
    I am sure in this forum a million words would have been written defining a prophet. Still, for the benefit of late entrants like me with a paucity of time to wade through all that which has been written previously, I shall be thankful if someone would spell out what sort of a person is entitled to be called a prophet.
    One might ask, how were the prophets chosen and who were entitled to this great honor?


    Prophethood is Allah's blessing and favor that He may bestow on whom He wills. However, from surveying the various Messengers throughout history, three features of a prophet may be recognized:


    1. He is the best in his community morally and intellectually. This is necessary because a prophet's life serves as a role model for his followers. His personality should attract people to accept his message rather than drive them away by his imperfect character. After receiving the message, he is infallible. That is, he would not commit any sin. He might make some minor mistakes, which are usually corrected by revelation.


    2. He is supported by miracles to prove that he is not an imposter. Those miracles are granted by the power and permission of God and are usually in the field in which his people excel and are recognized as superiors. We might illustrate this by quoting the major miracles of the three prophets of the major world religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.



    Moses' contemporaries were excellent in magic, so his major miracle was to defeat the best magicians of Egypt of his days. Jesus' contemporaries were recognized as skilled physicians, therefore, his miracles were to raise the dead and cure incurable diseases. The Arabs, the contemporaries of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , were known for their eloquence and magnificent poetry. So Prophet Muhammad's major miracle was the Qur'an, the equivalent of which the whole legion of Arab poets and orators could not produce, despite the repeated challenge from the Qur'an itself. Again, Muhammad's miracle has something special about it. All previous miracles were limited by time and place; that is, they were shown to specific people at a specific time. Not so with the miracle of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , the Qur'an. It is a universal and everlasting miracle. Previous generations witnessed it and future generations will witness its miraculous nature in terms of its style, content and spiritual uplifting. These can still be tested and will thereby prove the divine origin of the Qur'an.


    3. Every prophet states clearly that what he receives is not of his own, but from God for the well-being of mankind. He also confirms what was revealed before him and what may be revealed after him. A prophet does this to show that he is simply conveying the message that is entrusted to him by the One True God of all people in all ages. So the message is one in essence and for the same purpose. Therefore, it should not deviate from what was revealed before him or what might come after him.



    Prophets are necessary for conveying God's instructions and guidance to mankind. We have no way of knowing why we were created. What will happen to us after death? Is there any life after death? Are we accountable for our actions? These and so many other questions about God, angels, paradise, hell, and more, cannot be answered without direct revelation from the Creator and Knower of the unseen. Those answers must be authentic and must be brought by individuals whom we trust and respect. That is why Messengers are the elite of their societies in terms of moral conduct and intellectual ability.


    Hence, the slanderous Biblical stories about some of the great prophets are not accepted by Muslims. For example, Lot is reported to have committed incestuous fornication while drunk. David is alleged to have sent one of his leaders to his death in order to marry his wife. Prophets, to Muslims, are greater than what these stories indicate. These stories cannot be true from the Islamic point of view.


    The prophets are also miraculously supported by God and instructed by Him to affirm the continuity of the message. The content of the prophets' message to mankind can be summarized as follows:


    a) Clear concept of God: His attributes, His creation, what should and should not be ascribed to Him.


    b) Clear idea about the unseen world, the angels, jinn (spirits), Paradise and Hell.


    c) Why God has created us, what He wants from us and what rewards and punishments are for obedience and disobedience.


    d) How to run our societies according to His will. That is, clear instructions and laws that, when applied correctly and honestly, will result in a smoothly functioning, harmonious society.


    It is clear from the above discussion that there is no substitute for prophets. Even today with the advancement of science, the only authentic source of information about the supernatural world is revelation. Guidance can be obtained neither from science nor from mystic experience. The first is too materialistic and limited; the second is too subjective and frequently misleading.

    From: http://www.4islam.com/prophethoodislam.shtml

    See also

    Questions concerning Prophethood


    http://islambyquestions.net/Prophets/index.htm

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    It is easier indeed to believe in the man/God, who stood out from
    Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Issac, Ishmael , Eber, Shaloh, Lot, Job, Jethro etc etc even though they all came centuries apart, and preached the exact same message..
    for a man who broke his own commandments, abrogated his own laws, had a sudden personality change, and foresake his own self...

    you are so funny.. I am always amused at how christians will go on maligning everything in existance so their fallacy of a religion would seem like the best option...

    and how exactly do you worship? you put on a nice robe and sing and dance?
    very God like..

    Enjoy, but don't bother everyone else along with you..

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    a brief read defining the difference between messenger and prophet according to Islam

    Etymology
    In both Arabic and Hebrew, the term nabī (plural forms: nabiyyūn and anbiyāʾ) means "prophet". These terms occur 75 times in the Qur'an. The term nubuwwa (meaning "prophethood") occurs five times in the Qur'an. The terms rasūl (plural: rusul) and mursal (plural: mursalūn) denote “messenger” or "apostle" and occur more than 300 times. The term for a prophetic “message”, risāla (plural: risālāt) appears in the Qur'an in ten instances.[2]

    The Syriac form of rasūl Allāh (literally: "messenger of God"), s̲h̲eliḥeh d-allāhā, occurs frequently in the apocryphal Acts of St. Thomas. The corresponding verb for s̲h̲eliḥeh — s̲h̲alaḥ, occurs in connection with the prophets in the Old Testament (Exodus, iii, 13-14, iv, 13; Isaiah, vi, 8; Jeremiah, i, 7).[3]


    [edit] Prophets and messengers in the Bible
    The words "prophet" (Arabic: nabi, نبی) and "messenger" (Arabic: rasul, رسول) appear several times in the Old and New Testaments. The following table shows these words in different religious languages[4]:

    Prophet and Messenger in Bible Arabic English Greek pronunciation Hebrew pronunciation
    نبی Prophet προφήτης prophētēs נביא nâbîy'
    رسول Messenger, Apostle ἄγγελος aggelos מלאך mal'âk

    In the Old Testament the word "prophet" (Hebrew: nabi) occurs more commonly, and the word "messenger" (Hebrew: malak) refers to angels, But the last book of the Old Testament, the Book of Malachi, speaks of a messenger that most commentators interpret as a reference to John the Baptist.[5] In the New Testament, however, the word "messenger" becomes more frequent, sometimes in association with the concept of a prophet.[6] "Messenger" can refer to Jesus, to his Apostles and to John the Baptist

    It seems that in the New Testament messengers have a higher rank than prophets; Jesus Christ said about John the Baptist:

    But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.[7]


    [edit] Prophets and messengers in the Qur'an
    The table below charts the Qur'anic verses which explicitly reference a prophet (nabi), a messenger (rasul) or a leader (imam). It also charts explicit references to prophets' book(s) / people / divine law (sharia).

    Men of Allah in Qur'an Name Nabi (Prophet) Rasul (Messenger) Imam (Leader) Book People Sharia (Divine Law)
    Adam (Adam)
    Idris (Enoch)
    Prophet [8]
    Nuh (Noah)
    Prophet [9]
    Messenger [10] People of Noah [11]
    Shari'a [12]
    Hud (Eber)
    Messenger [13] A'ad [14]
    Saleh (Shaloh)
    Messenger [15] Thamud [16]
    Ibrahim (Abraham)
    Prophet [17]
    Messenger [18]
    Imam [19] Books of Abraham [20] People of Abraham [21]
    Shari'a [12]
    Lut (Lot)
    Prophet [9]
    Messenger [22] People of Lut [23]
    Isma’il (Ishmael)
    Prophet [24]
    Messenger [24]
    Ishaq (Isaac)
    Prophet [25]
    Imam [26]
    Yaqub (Jacob)
    Prophet [25]
    Imam [26]
    Yusef (Joseph)
    Prophet [9]
    Ayoub (Job)
    Prophet [9]
    Shoaib (Jethro)
    Messenger [27] Midian [28]
    Musa (Moses)
    Prophet [29]
    Messenger [29] Books of Moses [30] Pharaoh [31]
    Shari'a [12]
    Harun (Aaron)
    Prophet [32]
    Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel)
    Daud (David)
    Prophet [9] Zabur [33] (Psalms)
    Sulayman (Solomon)
    Prophet [9]
    Ilyas (Elijah)
    Prophet [9]
    Messenger [34] People of Elijah [35]
    Al-Yasa (Elisha)
    Prophet [9]
    Yunus (Jonah)
    Prophet [9]
    Messenger [36] People of Jonah [37]
    Zakariya (Zechariah)
    Prophet [9]
    Yahya (John)
    Prophet [38]
    Isa (Jesus)
    Prophet [39]
    Messenger [40] Injil [41] (Gospel) Children of Israel [42]
    Shari'a [12]
    Muhammad (Muhammad)
    Prophet [43]
    Messenger [43] Qur'an [44] All people [45]
    Shari'a [12]

    For Ahl al-Kitab (followers of the Holy Books), see People of the Book.


    [edit] Distinguishing between prophets and messengers
    The Quran, like the New Testament, ranks a Messenger (apostle) higher than a Prophet. For example, in the Qur'an whenever both titles appear together, "messenger" comes first. According to the Muslim scholar al-Baydawi, a messenger establishes a new religious law (sharia) whereas a prophet continues an old one. This would imply that prophets were more numerous than messengers and occupied a lower rank.[2] God sends both prophets and messengers as givers of good news and as warners to their people. In the case of messengers, however, it appears that a close relationship exists between them and their people (ummah). A messenger will become the witness that God will take from that community on the Day of Judgment (see Sura X, 48; XVI, 38; XXIII, 46; XL, 5; IV, 45; XXVIII, 75). According to the Qur'an, Allah sent Muhammad to a people to whom He had not previously sent a messenger.[3]

    The Faithful distinguish between celestial and human messengers. In the Qur'anic world, God has made the angels messengers but not prophets. The human messengers, however, also function as prophets — though not every prophet serves a messenger.[2] Angels always carrys "orders" to the human prophets or messengers on what to say, what to do, and so forth. While human messengers deliver some messages about new orders to the people, prophets only reinforce previous orders by earlier messengers or prophets, but since the angels carry orders to prophets to do their duty, then all angels of revelations count as messengers.


    [edit] The status of prophets
    The Qur'anic verse 4:69 lists various virtuous groups of human beings, among whom prophets (which include messengers) occupy the highest rank. Verse 4:69 reads:[2]

    And whoever obeys God and the messenger, these will be [in paradise] with the prophets and the truthful and the martyrs and the righteous, upon whom God has bestowed favors"
    [edit] Miracles
    The Prophet Muhammad performed his greatest and only miracle in revealing the Holy Qur'an to mankind; Muslims regard this as the last in a series of divine revelations, which came to him through the inspiraton of the Angel Gabriel. At the time of the revelation of the Qur'an, the Arabians who stood at the pinacle of linguistic and poetic eloquence expressed astonishment at its linguistic perfection. The Qur'an seemed even more miraculous to the Arabians of his time due to the fact that the Prophet Muhammed lacked education in the matters of philosophy, science, linguistic syntax; nor was he a poet and moreover had not read or written down any of the previous religious scriptures . The Qur'an challenges all of humanity to make a book of its kind. Many people{[who?}} during the time of the Prophet Muhammed took on this challenge and tried to imitate the eloquence of the Qura'n but failed in their attempts. Unlike most ancient religious texts, the Qur'an has survived in its original form since its compilation. Muslims up until present times have memorized it, making it the most memorized book in human history. Muslims believe that, unlike other miracles done by other prophets who came before Muhammad, all ages can witness the miracle of the Quran. With the revelation of the Holy Qur'an came a unprecedented revolution in science, literature and philosophy that not only took place in the Islamic empire but worldwide. Despite modern criticism of the Islamic religion, due to the unprecedented influence that the revelation Qur'an has had on people throughout history many historians and great figures in history have recognized the Prophet Muhammad as the most influential person in human history.[46]


    [edit] Prophets and scriptures
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    [edit] The prophets and Muhammad
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    [edit] The purpose of messengers
    The following list summarises the purpose of sending Messengers of Allah:

    i. Allah sent messengers to every nation to guide them to Path of Allah:

    وَلَقَدْ بَعَثْنَا فِي كُلِّ أُمَّةٍ رَّسُولاً أَنِ اعْبُدُواْ اللّهَ وَاجْتَنِبُواْ الطَّاغُوتَ فَمِنْهُم مَّنْ هَدَى اللّهُ وَمِنْهُم مَّنْ حَقَّتْ عَلَيْهِ الضَّلالَةُ فَسِيرُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ فَانظُرُواْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عَاقِبَةُ الْمُكَذِّبِينَ

    Transliteration: Walaqad baAAathna fee kulli ommatin rasoolan ani oAAbudoo Allaha waijtaniboo alttaghoota faminhum man hada Allahu waminhum man haqqat AAalayhi alddalalatu faseeroo fee al-ardi faonthuroo kayfa kana AAaqibatu almukaththibeena (Qur'an 16:36)

    Pickthal Translation: And verily We have raised in every nation a messenger, (proclaiming): Serve Allah and shun false gods. Then some of them (there were) whom Allah guided, and some of them (there were) upon whom error had just hold. Do but travel in the land and see the nature of the consequence for the deniers! (Qur'an 16:36)

    ii. Messengers warn nations to follow Allah’s commands and gave them glad tidings:

    إِنَّا أَرْسَلْنَاكَ بِالْحَقِّ بَشِيرًا وَنَذِيرًا وَإِن مِّنْ أُمَّةٍ إِلَّا خلَا فِيهَا نَذِيرٌ

    Transliteration: Inna arsalnaka bialhaqqi basheeran wanatheeran wa-in min ommatin illa khala feeha natheerun (Qur'an 35:24)

    Pickthal Translation: Lo! We have sent thee with the Truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner; and there is not a nation but a warner hath passed among them. (Qur'an 35:24)

    iii. Messengers gave us guidance from Allah, taught us knowledge and provided a path to purify us:

    كَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا فِيكُمْ رَسُولاً مِّنكُمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِنَا وَيُزَكِّيكُمْ وَيُعَلِّمُكُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَيُعَلِّمُكُم مَّا لَمْ تَكُونُواْ تَعْلَمُونَ

    Transliteration: Kama arsalna feekum rasoolan minkum yatloo AAalaykum ayatina wayuzakkeekum wayuAAallimukumu alkitaba waalhikmata wayuAAallimukum ma lam takoonoo taAAlamoona (Qur'an 2:151)

    Pickthal Translation: Even as We have sent unto you a messenger from among you, who reciteth unto you Our revelations and causeth you to grow, and teacheth you the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth you that which ye knew not. (Qur'an 2:151)

    iv. Allah explained that obedience to Him and His Messenger will earn paradise:

    وَمَن يُطِعِ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا وَذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ

    Transliteration: Tilka hudoodu Allahi waman yutiAAi Allaha warasoolahu yudkhilhu jannatin tajree min tahtiha al-anharu khalideena feeha wathalika alfawzu alAAatheemu (Qur'an 4:13)

    Pickthal Translation: These are the limits (imposed by) Allah. Whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow, where such will dwell for ever. That will be the great success. (Qur'an 4:13)

    v. And whosoever disobeys will earn Hell fire:

    وَمَن يَعْصِ اللّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَتَعَدَّ حُدُودَهُ يُدْخِلْهُ نَارًا خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَلَهُ عَذَابٌ مُّهِينٌ

    Transliteration: Waman yaAAsi Allaha warasoolahu wayataAAadda hudoodahu yudkhilhu naran khalidan feeha walahu AAathabun muheenun (Qur'an 4:14)

    Pickthal Translation: And whoso disobeyeth Allah and His messenger and transgresseth His limits, He will make him enter Fire, where he will dwell for ever; his will be a shameful doom. (Qur'an 4:14)

    vi. Allah said that He will judge us only after we have received the Message from His Messengers, and everyone will be judged based on his own actions:

    فَلَنَسْأَلَنَّ الَّذِينَ أُرْسِلَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَلَنَسْأَلَنَّ الْمُرْسَلِينَ - فَلَنَقُصَّنَّ عَلَيْهِم بِعِلْمٍ وَمَا كُنَّا غَآئِبِينَ

    Transliteration: Falanas-alanna allatheena orsila ilayhim walanas-alanna almursaleena. Falanaqussanna AAalayhim biAAilmin wama kunna gha-ibeena (Qur'an 7:6-7)

    Pickthal Translation: Then verily We shall question those unto whom (Our message) hath been sent, and verily We shall question the messengers. Then verily We shall narrate unto them (the event) with knowledge, for We were not absent (when it came to pass). (Qur'an 7:6-7)

    مَّنِ اهْتَدَى فَإِنَّمَا يَهْتَدي لِنَفْسِهِ وَمَن ضَلَّ فَإِنَّمَا يَضِلُّ عَلَيْهَا وَلاَ تَزِرُ وَازِرَةٌ وِزْرَ أُخْرَى وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّى نَبْعَثَ رَسُولاً

    Transliteration: Mani ihtada fa-innama yahtadee linafsihi waman dalla fa-innama yadillu AAalayha wala taziru waziratun wizra okhra wama kunna muAAaththibeena hatta nabAAatha rasoolan (Qur'an 17:15)

    Pickthal Translation: Whosoever goeth right, it is only for (the good of) his own soul that he goeth right, and whosoever erreth, erreth only to its hurt. No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger. (Qur'an 17:15)

    تَكَادُ تَمَيَّزُ مِنَ الْغَيْظِ كُلَّمَا أُلْقِيَ فِيهَا فَوْجٌ سَأَلَهُمْ خَزَنَتُهَا أَلَمْ يَأْتِكُمْ نَذِيرٌ- قَالُوا بَلَى قَدْ جَاءنَا نَذِيرٌ فَكَذَّبْنَا وَقُلْنَا مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ مِن شَيْءٍ إِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا فِي ضَلَالٍ كَبِيرٍ

    Transliteration: Takadu tamayyazu mina alghaythi kullama olqiya feeha fawjun saalahum khazanatuha alam ya/tikum natheerun. Qaloo bala qad jaana natheerun fakaththabna waqulna ma nazzala Allahu min shay-in in antum illa fee dalalin kabeerin (Qur'an 67:8-9)

    Pickthal Translation: As it would burst with rage. Whenever a (fresh) host is flung therein the wardens thereof ask them: Came there unto you no warner? They say: Yea, verily, a warner came unto us; but we denied and said: Allah hath naught revealed; ye are in naught but a great error. (Qur'an 67:8-9)

    vii. Thus, those who received His message will not have excuse of ignorance:

    رُّسُلاً مُّبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ لِئَلاَّ يَكُونَ لِلنَّاسِ عَلَى اللّهِ حُجَّةٌ بَعْدَ الرُّسُلِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا

    Transliteration: Rusulan mubashshireena wamunthireena li-alla yakoona lilnnasi AAala Allahi hujjatun baAAda alrrusuli wakana Allahu AAazeezan hakeeman (Qur'an 4:165)

    Pickthal Translation: Messengers of good cheer and of warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah is ever Mighty, Wise. (Qur'an 4:165)


    [edit] Distinguishing Muhammad from other messengers
    Muhammad differs from other messengers in three respects:

    i. Allah sent all previous messengers to a specific nation in specific region of Earth. Their teachings were also limited for a specific time and period. However, Muhammad was sent to entire mankind and his guidance is for all mankind until the end of times.

    ii. The teachings of all previous Islamic messengers except Muhammad have all but disappeared, and whatever remained of it is so much altered and mixed with falsely made up stories that it is very difficult to recognize the original teachings. Whilst the teaching of Muhammad and the Quran is preserved in its originality, and Allah has promised to protect it until end of times.

    iii. The teachings of previous Messengers confined themselves to specific nations and times, thus their laws relating to ethics and moral code, justice, trade and financial deals, civilian laws remained incomplete. Allah (swt) through his final Messenger Mohamad completed the Religion and perfected it. It includes all the teachings from previous Messengers, and abrogated what was specific to those people and time.

    Thus since the days of the prophet the teaching of Muhammad remains as the only trustworthy source to reach the guidance of Allah. And if one wants to follow teachings of Moses and Jesus, who also brought the religion of Allah to their nations, then he has no other choice but to accept the teachings of Muhammad who left with us the trustable source to guidance from Allah in the Quran and in the Sunnah.


    [edit] The Relationship between Messengers (rusul), Prophets (anbiya), the Announcement (naba), and The Sender (mursil)
    The verse about the great news (awful tiding, great event, mighty tiding, mighty event, tremendous announcement, grand news, awesome tiding) reads:

    Quran 78:2 AAani alnnaba-i alAAatheemi Concerning the Great News

    Nabi, Naba

    The word used in this verse, naba, relates to the word nabi.

    Nabi (prophet) is one who informs others.
    Naba is news, announcement, information.
    Anbiya is plural of nabi.
    Anbiya inform others of a coming naba. The Quran says that the naba is not the Quran itself but that it comes in the future.

    Rasul, Mursil

    Now when I look at the word rasul I notice it relates to the word mursil.

    Rasul is a messenger, a bearer of a message.
    Mursal(een) is a messenger, a bearer of a message.
    Mursil is one who sends, a sender.
    Risalat is messages.
    Rusul is plural of rasul.
    So a rasul is sent by a mursil to give risalat. The Quran says that risalat of the mursil (Allah) are His kalimat. The Quran says that risalatullah cannot end.

    All Together

    Putting these together, we see that Jesus and Muhammad are each a rasul who was sent from the mursil to act as a nabi to inform of the naba.

    The Quran itself even states that the messages (risalat), which are by definition the kalamat (words) of God, cannot be exhausted. Therefore the naba which was announced by the anbiya (plural of nabi) must itself be followed by more risalat (messages).

    If or when the naba appeared, there was no need for any more nabi (who give the news of the naba). What about rusul (messengers) and risalat (messages)? Does the mursil stop sending rusul to give his risalat? The Quran says no.

    I note that the sender of messages and messengers (mursil) is a rasul if he gives the risalat himself. And, I note that the mursil can send rusul who are not anbiya.

    Summary

    To summarize, there are four words in question: nabi, naba, rasul, and mursil.

    Some rusul (plural of rasul) are anbiya (prophets) if they are sent (arsala) before the naba.
    Some rusul are not anbiya if they are sent after the naba.
    The naba itself is a risalatun.
    The naba is associated with the mursil in the Quran.
    Risalat cannot be exhausted.
    The mursil sends rusul to give 'risalat even after naba.
    There's no reason why a mursil cannot give risalat himself (and act as a rasul).

    [edit] Points of belief about Muhammad
    The belief in Muhammad includes four points:

    i. That he is the Messenger of Allah who brought us the Book of Guidance, the Quran

    ii. That he brought us the deen (way of life, or path) that is complete and perfected, and it's applicable to all mankind until end of times

    iii. That he receives his guidance from Allah and that his knowledge and guidance is perfect from any defects

    iv. That he is the Last and Final Messenger of Allah who has perfected the deen (way of life, or path) of Allah, and there will be no further Messenger after him, as none is needed after the deen is completed and perfected. And teachings of Muhammad are for remainder of mankind.


    [edit] The reception of the prophets
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    [edit] Stories of prophets
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    Allah sent each prophet to a specific nation except Muhammed - whom Allah sent to the whole world.


    [edit] Prophets in the Qur'an
    The following table lists the prophets mentioned in the Qur'an. Biblical versions of names also appear where applicable:

    “ And undoubtedly, We sent many Messengers before you, of them, there are some whose story We have narrated to you, and there are some whose story We have not narrated to you, and it is not for any Messenger that he should bring any sign without Allah's permission, but when the command of Allah will come, the matter shall be decided with truth, and then the men of falsehood shall lose there." „
    —Qur'an, [47]


    Name (Arabic & Arabic Translit.) Name (Biblical) Main Article(s) No. of verses with mention
    آدم
    Adam Adam Main articles: Islamic view of Adam, Adam (Bible), and Adam and Eve 5
    "Adam is the first prophet of Islam and the first human being. He was created by God but brought to life forty days after being kept as a dry body."[cite this quote]


    إدريس
    Idris Enoch Main articles: Idris (prophet) and Enoch (ancestor of Noah) 3
    Idris lived during a period of drought inflicted by God to punish the people of the world who had forgotten God. Idris prayed for salvation and for an end to the suffering, and so the world received rain.[citations needed]


    نوح
    Nuh Noah Main articles: Islamic view of Noah and Noah 7
    Although best known for the Deluge, Nuh was a primary preacher of monotheism at his time. Muslims believe his faith in God led to his selection for building the Ark.[citation needed]


    هود
    Hud Eber Main article: Hud (prophet) 9
    Muslims believe that Hud, for whom the eleventh chapter of the Qur'an takes its name, was one of the few people to survive a great storm inflicted by God, similar to the Deluge five generations earlier, to punish the people of the `Ad who had forgotten about God. Hud, by comparison and records, is never mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible.[citation needed]


    صالح
    Saleh Shaloh Main article: Saleh 7
    According to the Qur'an God ordered Saleh to leave behind his people, the tribe of Thamud, after they disbelieved and disobeyed God's order to care for a special camel and instead killed it. In Saleh's and his followers' (believers) absence, God punished the people with an utter cry from the skies that killed his people instantly. Note that Saleh is not Shelah mentioned in the Old Testament.


    إبراهيم
    Ibrahim Abraham Main articles: Islamic view of Abraham and Abraham 5
    Muslims today regard Abraham as one of the significant prophets, because they credit him with rebuilding the Kaaba in Mecca. His family, including his son Ishmael, also receives credit with helping create the civilization around Mecca that would later give birth to the final prophet of Islam, Muhammad. Ibrahim also significantly almost sacrificing his son Ismail (Ishmael) to God in an event now commemorated annually by Eid ul-Adha. He is also the first prophet to name the believers as "Muslims" meaning "those with full submission to God".[citation needed]


    لوط
    Lut Lot Main articles: Islamic view of Lot and Lot (Bible) 2
    Lot is most notable in Islam for attempting to preach against homosexuality in Sodom and Gomorra in addition to preaching for his people to believe in the Oneness of God, only to be mocked and ignored by the people who lived there. Islam also denies the acts attributed to Lut that are mentioned in the Old Testament, like drinking and being drunk, and having intercourse with and impregnating his two daughters.


    إسماعيل
    Isma'il Ishmael Main articles: Islamic view of Ishmael and Ishmael 9
    Muslims regard Ismaïl, first-born son of Ibrahim, as a notable prophet in Islam for his near-sacrifice in adulthood. As a child he and his mother Hagar's search for water in the region around Mecca led God to reveal the Zamzam well, which still flows to this day.


    إسحاق
    Ishaq Isaac Main article: Isaac 9
    According to Islamic tradition, Isaac, second-born son of Ibrahim, became a prophet in Canaan. He, along with his brother Ismaïl, carried on the legacy of Ibrahim as prophets of Islam.


    يعقوب
    Yakub Jacob Main article: Jacob 2
    Yakub, according to the Qur'an was "of the company of the Elect and the Good"[48] and he continued the legacy of both his father, Isaac, and his grandfather, Abraham. Like his ancestors, he was committed to worshipping God exclusively.


    يوسف
    Yusuf Joseph Main articles: Islamic view of Joseph and Joseph (Bible) 3
    Yusuf, son of (Yakub) and great-grandson of Ibrahim, became a prominent advisor to the king of Egypt after he interpreted the phaoroh's dream which predicted the economic state of Egypt. He spent a large part of his life away from his eleven brothers, who showed jealousy of Yusuf because their father favored him. They took him one day, telling their father that they where going to play and have fun, but they planned to kill him. Instead, they threw him down a well and told their father Yaqub that he was eaten by a wolf. According to Islam Yusuf was gifted with half of the beauty granted to mankind.


    أيوب
    Ayyub Job Main article: Job (Bible) 8
    According to Islamic tradition, Ayyub was rewarded by a fountain of youth, which removed all illnesses except death, for his service to God in his hometown outside Al Majdal. Ayyub is believed to have suffered an illness for 18 years as test of patience by God.


    شعيب
    Shu'aib Jethro Main articles: Shoaib and Jethro 2
    Jethro was a direct descendant of Abraham. According to Islam, he was appointed by God to guide the people of Midyan and Aykah, who lived near Mount Sinai. When the people of the region failed to listen to his warnings, God destroyed the disbeliever's villages. Although the Qur'an and the reported speeches from Muhammad mention that Musa married one of Shu'aib's daughters, the Old Testament tells the same story of a man named Jethro. Some scholars[who?] believe that Jethro in the Old Testament is not the same person as Shu'aib in the Qur'an.


    موسى
    Musa Moses Main articles: Islamic view of Moses and Moses 5
    Moses, whom the Qur'an refers to more than any other prophet, had the distinction of revealing the Tawrat (Torah) to the Israelites. The Qur'an says Musa realized his connection with God after receiving commands from him during a stop at Mount Sinai. He later went on to free the enslaved Hebrews after the Egyptian pharaoh denied God's power. Musa subsequently led the freed Hebrews for forty years through the desert after they refused to obey God's command and enter the Holy Lands, saying to Moses (as mentioned in Qur'an [Qur'an 5:24], "O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go thou and thy Lord and fight! We will sit here." During this long journey, on another trip to Mount Sinai Musa received the Tawrat and the Ten Commandments. At the end of his life, according to Islamic tradition, Musa chose to die to be closer to God instead of taking an offer that would have extended his life.


    هارون
    Harūn Aaron Main articles: Islamic view of Aaron and Aaron 8
    Harun (Aaron) served as an assistant to his older brother Musa (Moses). In Islam, he, like Musa, received the task of saving the Israelites from the Egyptian pharaoh. He would often speak for Musa when Musa’s speech impediment prevented him from doing so himself.


    ذو الكفل
    Dhul-Kifl most likely Ezekiel Main articles: Dhul-Kifl and Ezekiel 5
    The status of Dhul-Kifl as a prophet remains debatable within Islam, although both sides can agree that he was indeed a righteous man who strived in the way of God. Some studies also note that Dhul-Kifl can be also Obadiah, who is mentioned in the Old Testament to be the one that took care of 100 prophets. He is also believed to have possibly been Gautama Buddha.


    داود
    Dawud David Main article: David 7
    In Islam, God revealed the Zabur (Psalms) to Dawud (David). Dawud also has significance as the one who defeated Goliath. It is worth to note that the story of King David with Uriah according to the Islamic tradition is different, thus the acts attributed to King David in the Old Testament like sending Uriah to be killed for the purpose of marrying his wife is denied in Islam.


    سليمان
    Süleyman Solomon Main articles: Islamic view of Solomon and Solomon 6
    Süleyman (Solomon) learned a significant amount from his father Daud before God made him a prophet. According to Islamic tradition, Süleyman received power to manipulate nature, including the jinn. Known for his honesty and fairness, he also led a kingdom that extended into southern Arabia.


    إلياس
    Ilyas Elijah Main articles: Ilyas and Elijah 3
    Ilyas (Elijah), descendant of Harun (Aaron), took over control of the southern part of the Arabian Peninsula after the kingdom of Sulaiman (Solomon) collapsed. Islamic tradition says he attempted to convince the people of the Peninsula of the existence of only one God, but when the people refused to listen they were smitten with a drought and famine.


    اليسع
    Al-Yasa Elisha Main articles: Al-Yasa and Elisha 3
    Al-Yasa (Elisha) took over the task of leading the Israelites after Ilyas' (Elijah) death. He attempted to show the king and queen of Israel the powers of God, but was dismissed as a magician. Subsequently, the Assyrians were able to make people burn and inflict significant damage on them.


    يونس
    Yunus Jonah Main articles: Islamic view of Jonah and Jonah 5
    Islamic tradition shows that God commanded Yunus (Jonah) to help the people of Nineveh towards righteousness. However, after Nineveh's people refused to listen to God, Yunus became disgruntled and became angry for God. After an incident where Yunus was spared death, he decided to re-commit himself to striving for God, attempting to lead the people of Nineveh to righteousness. But after returning to evil, illicit ways, the Scythians conquered them.[49]


    زكريا
    Zakariya Zechariah Main articles: Islamic view of Zechariah and Zechariah (priest) 6
    A descendant of Süleyman, Zakariya (Zachariah became a patron of Maryam (Mary) the mother of 'Isa. According to the Qur'an, he prayed to God asking for a son, since his sterile wife al-Yashbi could not provide one. God granted his wishes, temporarily lifting his wife's sterility and allowing her to give birth to Yahya (John).[50]


    يحيى
    Yahya John the Baptist Main articles: Islamic view of John the Baptist and John the Baptist 2
    Yahya (John) was cousin to Isa and Islam says that, throughout his lifetime, Yahya captivated audiences with his powerful sermons that preached Abrahamic monotheism. The Qur'an does not mention baptism.


    عيسى
    Isa Jesus Main articles: Islamic view of Jesus and Jesus 3
    God sent one of the highest ranked prophets in Islam, Eisa al-Maseeh, (Jesus the Messiah) to guide the Children of Israel. The Qur'an makes it very clear that in Islam, Jesus is not the begotten (physical) son of God, but rather a nabi and rasul (messenger) of God.

    'Isa performed many miracles with the permission of God, for example: raising the dead, creating a bird from clay, talking as an infant. Islamic traditions states that he abstained from drinking alcohol. It also states that he received a revelation, the Injil (Gospel), though according to Islam, it has been distorted. Muslims believe that 'Isa was not crucified, meaning he was not killed on the cross. They believe that Isa was raised up to God and will return to Earth to fight the Dajjal during the time of the Mahdi, however in Quran there is no evidence and clear indication of Isa's return to Earth to fight the Dajjal.


    محمد
    Muhammed Ahmad أحمد: in the original Gospel and Bible Main article: Muhammed 294
    Habib u'l A'zam, Imam u'l Anbiya Sayyidina Muhammed ibn 'Abdullah,(53 B.H-11 A.H; 571-632 AD)[51] ranks as the last prophet in Islam ("seal of the Prophets"). Muslims shun idolatry of any of the prophets, as their messages from God hold the most weight. His father's name was 'Abdullah ibn 'AbdulMuttalib and his mother's name was Amina bint Wahb az-Zuhriyya. Muhammed. Born in Mecca in 571 AD (53 AH), Muhammed spent the first part of his life as a well-travelled merchant. He would often spend his time in the mountains surrounding Mecca in prayer contemplating the situation with the city. At the age of forty, during one of those trips to the mountain, Muhammed began to, despite his illiteracy, receive and recite verses from Allah which today make up the Qur'an. He quickly spread the message he was receiving, converting a few others in the city, including his wife. He is the last (seal) of the prophets with a message to all humanity. When oppression became intolerable for his followers, Muhammed first asked his fellow Muslims to migrate to Medina and later himself migrated to Medina away from the oppressors in Mecca. Muhammad served not just as a prophet, but as a military leader who helped defeat the Meccans in 624 during the Battle of Badr. He continued to lead the Muslims as Islam spread across the Arabian Peninsula. He performed the first hajj in 629 and established Islam as it is still practised by Muslims today. Others continued Muhammad's legacy after his death in 632, having been given the position of caliph (or successor) to Muhammad. The Five Pillars of Islam were established from his Hadiths after Muhammad's death.




    [edit] Other prophets
    Muslims believe in other prophets other than those mentioned by name in the Qur'an. Many verses in the Quran discuss this:

    "And certainly We sent messengers (rasul) before you: there are some of them that We have mentioned to you and there are others whom We have not mentioned to you..." [Qur'an 40:78]
    "For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger..."[Qur'an 16:36]
    Muslims believe that God has sent 124,000 (or 224,000) messengers all over the world, as mentioned by the prophet Muhammad in the Sahih Hadith.

    Historic narratives suggest there existed a prophet named Khaled bin Sinan in pre-Islamic Arabia.

    The Qur'an mentions Al-Imran as the father of Maryam. Al-Khidr is not mentioned by name, but is traditionally assumed to be referred to in Qur'an 18:66. Biblical prophets Danyal (Daniel), Ishaia (Isaiah), Armya (Jeremiah), and Samuel are mentioned by Ibn Kathir in his book as prophets.

    Luqman is mentioned in the sura named after him but it is unclear whether he is a prophet or a wali. According to the most wide-spread shiite belief, Luqman was a wiseman, not a prophet nor a wali. The reported news hold that Luqman had a dream, and in that dream he was asked to choose between being a King and a wiseman, and he chose the second.

    Numerous other historical figures may rank as prophets, but debate and contention surround this matter. Such figures include: Zoroaster, Gautama Buddha, Socrates,[52] Merlin, Confucius,[53] Krishna,[54] (also mentioned in some books of Hadith) and Rama. However, Muslims will state that there is no way of knowing for sure since they are not mentioned by name in the Qur'an. An argument often used in support of the prophethood of such men is that they came with the word of God, but it was later corrupted, this accounting for the differences between Islam, and the respective religions with which each man is associated. The Hadith and Qur’an support such claims that say that a messenger was sent to every people.


    [edit] Maryam mother of 'Isa
    Main articles: Maryam and Mary
    A few scholars (such as Ibn Hazm)[55] see Maryam as a nabi and a prophetess, since God sent her a message via an angel. The Qur'an, however, does not explicitly state that she is one. According to the Islamic belief, she was a holy woman, but she was not a prophet. In the Qur'an, 'Isa is usually referred to as 'Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus, son of Mary), a matronymic, indicative of Jesus having no father.


    [edit] See also
    Allah
    Table of prophets of Abrahamic religions
    Nubuwwah
    Prophecy
    Nevi'im (Prophets in Judaism)
    Major Prophets in the Bible
    Minor Prophets in the Bible
    Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament
    Ilah
    Names of God
    99 Names of God in the Qur'an
    Tawhid
    Termagant
    Islam
    Pillars of Islam
    Ka'ba

    [edit] Notes
    ^ See the Qur'an [Qur'an 3:45]
    ^ a b c d Uri Rubin, Prophets and Prophethood, Encyclopedia of the Qur'an
    ^ a b A.J. Wensinck, Rasul, Encyclopedia of Islam
    ^ Strong's ConcordanceS
    ^ Albert Barnes Under Mal 2:7 and Mal 3:1
    ^ Heb 3:1, Joh 17:3, Mat 11:10, Mar 1:2, Eph 3:5, Eph 4:11, 1Co 28:12
    ^ Mat 11:9,10
    ^ Qur'an 19:56
    ^ a b c d e f g h i j Qur'an 6:89
    ^ Qur'an 26:107
    ^ Qur'an 26:105
    ^ a b c d e Qur'an 42:13
    ^ Qur'an 26:125
    ^ Qur'an 7:65
    ^ Qur'an 26:143
    ^ Qur'an 7:73
    ^ Qur'an 19:41
    ^ Qur'an 9:70
    ^ Qur'an 2:124
    ^ Qur'an 87:19
    ^ Qur'an 22:43
    ^ Qur'an 26:162
    ^ Qur'an 26:160
    ^ a b Qur'an 19:54
    ^ a b Qur'an 19:49
    ^ a b Qur'an 21:73
    ^ Qur'an 26:178
    ^ Qur'an 7:85
    ^ a b Qur'an 19:51
    ^ Qur'an 53:36
    ^ Qur'an 43:46
    ^ Qur'an 19:53
    ^ Qur'an 17:55
    ^ Qur'an 37:123
    ^ Qur'an 37:124
    ^ Qur'an 37:139
    ^ Qur'an 10:98
    ^ Qur'an 3:39
    ^ Qur'an 19:30
    ^ Qur'an 4:171
    ^ Qur'an 57:27
    ^ Qur'an 61:6
    ^ a b Qur'an 33:40
    ^ Qur'an 42:7
    ^ Qur'an 7:158
    ^ "A Brief Illustrated Guide To Understanding Islam, Muslims, and the Quran"
    ^ "40-78". Qur'an. www.ahadees.com. Retrieved on 2007-12-14.
    ^ Yusuf Ali's translation of the Qur'an, [Qur'an 38:47]
    ^ "Prophet Yunus". The Prophets. Islam101.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-06.
    ^ "Prophet Zakariyah". The Prophets. Islam101.com. Retrieved on 2006-05-06.
    ^ Great Muslims Of All Times
    ^ Ahmad, Tahir (1998). "Greek Philosophy". Revelation, rationality knowledge and truth. Surrey: Islam International Publications. Retrieved on 2008-11-11. "Repeated attempts have been made to pluck him away from the comity of prophets to that of mere philosophers."
    ^ Confucianism
    ^ Hinduism
    ^ Ibn Hazm on women's prophethood
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    Sure, we can talk about what makes a true prophet all we want to, but my question is more about how do you view a prophet who you believe is false? Are they automatically a bad person?

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    I don't know.. the Mormon guy came up with a book that is surprisingly alot like the bible, except read in special underware.. I am not sure what is prophetic about that?..

    other than that, a prophet and a messenger are different and defined to you above..
    you at least have to come up with some miracles..

    whereas more of the previous messangers miracles, can no longer be accounted for, the Messanger of Allah swt has an existing miracle with us still, and it is the inimitable Quran...

    Mormons are as misguided as the mainstrem christians, I don't really differentiate between them, whether they follow Paul or John, or max or Harry, it makes no difference, they have far strayed from what Muslims know as Jesus -Isa(PBUH)

    so I don't view them as bad.. I don't think anyone intentionally wants to follow a path that they believe will lead them to hell.. I just think of them as unfortunate souls who have gone astray!
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Sure, we can talk about what makes a true prophet all we want to, but my question is more about how do you view a prophet who you believe is false? Are they automatically a bad person?

    Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

    well let's see. how about Paul/Saul of Tarsus?

    1) did he lie? for whatever reason, i believe so!

    2) was he just crazy. it's a distinct possibility!

    3) did he have some experience and then convince himself that he heard instruction from God? i believe that this IS a fair view!

    as for the others, no need to give them much though! L Ron Hubbard brought us Return to Forever and people seem to like the Choir! that's enough thought for them!

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    Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Then how do you view them? You're a Buddhist, so obviously you don't believe that the Muslim or Mormon prophets were speaking for God, so why do you believe they did what they did?
    Actually, I tend towards a view that the 'direct' form of religious experience is pretty much universal; all that differs is it's interpretation. I also, of course, have views regarding which interpretions are 'right' and which are 'wrong', but I'm happy enough to accept such judgements must always be largely subjective. The "my prophet is genuine, yours is fake" seems merely indicitive of a lack of any remotely convincing explanation of why X million/billion people are right in their pick of prophets while another X million/billion people are wrong.

    There are exceptions, of course. Hubbard is an obvious one to me, and probably most here.. but even then obviously Scientologists would disagree.
    Last edited by Trumble; 11-20-2008 at 11:06 PM.

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    No, not if the choices are restricted to 'liar', 'crazy' or 'delusional'. You may decide on one of those in the end, of course, but you dismiss 'four' (which should be 'one'!) far too easily - that they were none of those things.

    It simply isn't enough to say I am not a muslim, Mormon or whatever, and your first task before assigning labels to prophets should be to give serious consideration to their messages.
    There are other possibilities as well. Such as 5 - the prophet never existed or never claimed to be a prophet (Islam has more against this one than Christianity)

    I see it as Lord, Liar, Lunatic, Legend.

    There are probably more possibilities than these four though.

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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    Everything is possible indeed, as is the burden of proof to substnatiate it

    Pyg is a tax evader--pyg is a glutton--Pyg panders commercial sex workers---pyg a homophile with an internet site for human trafficking---pyg a yokelish oaf... indeed all possible..

    the next step is to put ones money where the mouth is!
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Do any of you ever think about how we should feel about prophets of other faiths? Obviously, I'm not Muslim, so I don't think Muhammed was a prophet. I'm not Mormon, so I don't think Joseph Smith was a prophet. I'm not a Scientologist, so I don't think L. Ron Hubbard was a prophet. I could do the same for a hundred other religions, but those are the ones that came off the top of my head. This leaves me with a puzzle. How do I formulate my view of other faiths prophets, when I don't believe their teachings? I think of 3 options. One is they lied, for whatever reason. Two is that they were just crazy. Three is that they had some experience and then convinced themselves that they heard instruction from God. What do you think? Is this a fair view?
    Prophets who are not true for You, shouldnt bother You. Just like they dont bother me. I think that it is a good advice.
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Sure, we can talk about what makes a true prophet all we want to, but my question is more about how do you view a prophet who you believe is false? Are they automatically a bad person?
    Simplest way I can say to you is to look at it in a logical way let me ask you how do you normally tell whether a person is telling the truth. What sort of things do you look for before coming to an answer?

    For me I look at the context of the message what they are trying to tell me and why they are telling me the message I would look at the purpose behind it. We don’t say things without having reasons or without having any purpose. Of course not everything or everyone always speaks the truth so how do we differentiate we would look at the person his characters his attributes who is telling us the message. For eg if my younger brother tells me something its not likely that I will take him so seriously as he is younger than me but than again that does not mean what ever he is trying to tell me I should just ignore him. Next step would be to find out what his actual message is and whether there is any point in what he is saying.

    So therefore it is important that you understand the characteristic of the prophets and their message. So talking about what makes a true prophet is the base line what makes a true prophet. In order to find the underlying of problems we need to look at root of the cause instead of base line. In order to understand the end of problems we have to look into the beginning. I think if you really want answers you will need understand different messages of the prophets and compare and contrast the difference and apply your intellect and logic to the message.

    You cant judge something or some one without the full knowledge. If you have read up on perspective religion and how each religion began maybe that would answer some your question for instance to understanding the message the prophet has sent

    have you read holy books of the prophets the authentic versions if you have read it than you will realise certain things which will lead you to question whether a human can actually create such a message.

    If you were talking about few words of message than that would have been different story. The message our prophet has sent to us we believe is the absolute truth if you read the quran you will realise no human could have created such message with out imperfection. If you look at the scientific evidence which has just been discovered now it makes you wonder how is human have the power to know such things when the scientist have only discovered those things now.

    Our prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h was a man who could not read or write so how could he have been able to write such a great book. Also im sure you will agree that no human is perfect enough to create a piece of work without an error which is the holy Quran.

    Sometimes at certain things we have to look outside the box why would some one want to portay something which is not right without seeing the benefit. You have to ask your self why would such prophets dedicate their life and souls and go through burden and pain if their belief and their message were not true. Why would some one invoke working so hard towards something without a benefit at the end.
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    Re: The trouble with prophets

    Then how do you view them? You're a Buddhist, so obviously you don't believe that the Muslim or Mormon prophets were speaking for God, so why do you believe they did what they did?
    before going to the topic of prophets ,one need to be rational enough to ccept the existance of Allah.once that is done then we should realise that there is a purpose for our creation.This life is a test, and the test is to worship Allah the way he wants us to.
    and Allah conveys this message through a prophet.Allah has sent many prophets before Muhammad ,to every nation and tribe saying "worship Allah alone" and we believe in all of them.all of them were sent to their ppl and spoke in their tongue,after these prophets left their ppl on a clear path these ppl deviated following their desires as time passed and Allah followed them with another prophet. Allah says that Muhammad was sent to the whole of humanity and is the last prophet with whom he completed the way in which He wants His slaves to submit and worship him ie.ISLAM.
    No other prophet ever was claimed by anyone to be A PROPHET SENT TO THE WHOLE OF HUMAN KIND AND IS THE LAST PROPHET EXCEPT MUHAMMAD.
    and atleast for this u need to look at the SPEECH OF ALLAH ie. THE QUR"AN REVEALED THROUGH MUHAMMAD WITH AN UNBIASED approach .AND ATLEAST FOR THIS REASON MUHAMMAD(SAW) DESERVES NOT TO BE COMPARED WITH OTHER PROPHETS(since practically they are of no benifit to us. more over what the ppl claim what their prophet preached does not mean that that was his original message, man is a strange creature, he will twist probably anything into what he wants,for eg interpreting a saying of a prophet to suit their ideology eg Jesus (pbuh) who never claimed divinity.)

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    Re: The trouble with prophets


    format_quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    Do any of you ever think about how we should feel about prophets of other faiths?
    Well being a muslim, I believe in all of the prophets. Though, I define a prophet as someone who was sent by God, so that's Ron Hubbard out of the window already!

    ...This leaves me with a puzzle. How do I formulate my view of other faiths prophets, when I don't believe their teachings? I think of 3 options. One is they lied, for whatever reason. Two is that they were just crazy. Three is that they had some experience and then convinced themselves that they heard instruction from God. What do you think? Is this a fair view?
    Judge them on their actions and teachings. Look at Moses - he freed thousands of slaves! Jesus - the messiah and quite possibly the master of positivity, kindness and generosity (joint with, in my opinion, Muhammad), Noah - the guy who we all OWE a big favour too (remember that big ol' flood?), Muhammad - his followers and himself, beacons of honesty, purity and justice for all (remember pre-Islamic arabia AND Europe? Not a pretty site - it took an entire religion to clean that mess up!)

    If you ask me, there's no trouble with prophets at all.
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