Hi, I'm very interested in world religions. For Catholics (or for non Catholics, if you know the answer)
1) Why do you pray to Mary and the saints? Why not just directly to God?
2) Why do you revere the Pope? Jesus alone if the head of the Church, no man can make His laws for Him...
3) Would you consider Eastern Orthodox Christians your brothers as opposed to Protestants? Which do you believe is more in line with Christ's teachings, the Eastern Orthodox Church or Protestantism?
There's more questions, but I would appreciate an answer to these. Thank you.
I used to be a Catholic. I'm no longer that religious, but I am an active member of the Church and I agree with pope on most major doctrinal (as far as I can for a semi-religious person) and moral issues. Women priests and gay rights are what separates me from the Church most.
What religion is judeo-christianism? I have never heard about it.
Catholic attitude towards homosexuals and women priesthood are unchangable.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
1) Why do you pray to Mary and the saints? Why not just directly to God?
We do not pray to Mary and the saints, we ask them to pray to God for us in the same way we would ask our neighbor of friend to pray for us. We consider them to be members of the Church in heaven and we can ask any member of the Church to pray for us. We pray directly to God as well.
2) Why do you revere the Pope? Jesus alone if the head of the Church, no man can make His laws for Him...
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth, he is to be respected because of this.
3) Would you consider Eastern Orthodox Christians your brothers as opposed to Protestants? Which do you believe is more in line with Christ's teachings, the Eastern Orthodox Church or Protestantism?
Eastern Orthodox by far. They have valid ordinations and all the sacraments. Protestants just do whatever they please...
hahah...So true! But at least one of the things most of us protestants are pleased to do is recognize and love Catholic Christians as our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
I'm reading good books now, written before the Second World War, books from my college library or bought by me from small internet bookstores. Books that no one gets to read in my library but me, I find them covered with dust and bring back from forgetness. I think that some of them are essential to understand nowadays world, also the Middle East. Unfortunately they are not translated into english, but when I have time I will translate some by myself here. Some will be very suprised, some would never get to such informationsm but it's essential to have a clear view of world's issues. Nowadays such books are forbidden I guess.
First is called - "The fall of Israel" by Henryk Rolicki (real name - Tadeusz Gluziński), book from 1932, which second edition was completely bought up by some jewish organization .
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
"Before I became catholic I subsrcibed to a common misconception that people only converted from catholicism to something else. Everyone, from protestants to muslims seems to triumphanlty parade converts from catholicism to their faith. It turnes out that there have been and are many converts to catholic faith. The following is a non- exhaustive list.
St Paul, from judaism to apostle of gentiles.
Emperor Constantine, from pagan to catholic.
St. Augustine, from secularist to catholic saint.
St. Juan Diego, from actec religion to catholic saint.
Johann Christian Bach, the composer, from lutheran to catholic.
Peter Paul Rubens, artist, from calvinist to catholic.
St Elizabeth Ann Seton, from episcopalian to catholic saint.
John Henry Cardinal Newman, from anglican vicar to catholic cardinal.
Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, from anglican vicar to catholic cardinal.
Blessed Maria Elizabetta Hesselblad, from lutheran to catholic.
Buffalo Bill Cody, from secular protestant to catholic.
Gillber Keith Chesterton, author, from occultist to catholic apologist.
St. Teresa Benedicta of the cross, from judaism to atheism to catholic saint.
Gary Cooper, actor.
Walker Percy, author, from existentialist to catholic.
Sherman Minton, U.S Supreme Court Justice.
Salvador Dali, artist, from anarchist to communist to catholic.
Thomas Merton, from anglican to catholic monk.
Dorothy May, from secular social activist to catholic social activist.
Vincent Price, actor.
Aaron Jean Marie Cardinal Lustiger, from judaism to catholic archbishop of Paris.
Francis Cardinal Arinze, from nigerian traditional religion to catholic cardinal.
Sir Alec Guiness, actor, from anglicanism to catholicism.
Avery Cardinal Dulles, from presbytarian to agnostic to catholic cardinal.
Scott Hahn, from presbytarian minister to catholic author and theologian.
Fr. Richard John Neuhas, from lutheran minister to catholic theologian and priest.
Stephen K. Ray, from baptist to catholic apologist and author.
Kim Dae Jung, former South Korea president.
Deacon Alex Jones, from pentecostalism to catholic deacon and author.
Rosalind Moss, from judaism to evangelical protestantism to catholic apologist.
Marcus Grodi, former presbyterian minister.
Bob Hope, actor.
Lawrence Kudlow, economist, from judaism to catholic.
Robert Novak, journalist, from judaism to catholic.
U.S senator Sam Brownback, from evangelical protestant to catholic.
Tony Snow, former White House Press Secretary.
Anne Rice, author, from catholic to atheist to catholic.
Robert Bork, judge.
John B. Lipscomb, from anglican bishop to catholic.
Tony Blair, from anglican to catholic.
Bobby Jindal, governor, from hindu to catholic.
Jeb Bush, governor, from episcopalian to Catholic Knights of Columbus.
Jefrey Steenson, from anglican bishop to catholic.
Francis J. Beckwith, former president of Evangelical Theological Society.
Welcome home, brothers and sisters."
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Hey, don't forget me. I'm a catholic Christian too and I believe in the one holy apostilc and catholic Church -- just with a small "c" on the adjective "catholic".
Father Justin B. Pranajtis, "the christian in jewish Talmud".
Szulchan aruch, part Orach chajim § 55, art. 20:
Christians are equal to manure.
Szulchan aruch, part Jore dea § 198, art. 48, Hagah:
Jewish women should aware that when they live baths not to meet and touch unclean thing or a christian. Otherwise she should go and wash herself again, if she is God fearing.
Biur hetib, commentary to Szulchan aruchu,
Jewish woman should wash herself if she sees - dog, donkey, or akum (christian), camel, pig, horse of a lepper man.
Talmud, traktat Keritot 6b (str. 78):
Goim (non jews, christians) equal to animals.
Midrasz talpiot, karta 255d:
"They were created by God for the glory of Israel, they (akum - christians) are created only to serve to jews by night and day, and they never can have rest from this slave. Israel should have as servants not animals in their shapes, but animals in human shape (akum - christians)."
A jew has two rules in contacts with christians - to avoid them and to destroy them.
A jew should avoid christians because - christians dont deserve to be near jews, because christians are unclean, because they are idolators, because they are killers.
A jew is always good, no matter what sins he comitted. Only Israeli is a human being, the world belongs to him and everything should serve him, especially animals in human shapes (goim).
Talmud, traktat Gittin 62a
A jew can't say greetings to a christian.
Szulchan aruch, część Jore dea § 148, art. 10 :
A jew can't answer christian a greetings.
Szulchan aruch, część Choszen ha-miszpat § 34, art. 19:
Christian can't be a witness in court.
Goim and slaves cant be witnesses,
Zohar, part I, 25b:
A jew can't do anything good to a christian.
"Those who try to do good things to akum (christian) won't ressurect."
It's allowed to make good things to a christian only when it is also good for Israel, to hide the dislike toward chirstians.
Talmud, traktat Baba batra 54b:
Lifes and properties of goim (non jews, christians) belong to sons of Israel.
Szulchan aruch, część Choszen ha-miszpat § 266, art l:
A jew can't give back a found thing, if it belongs to a christian.
Talmud, traktat Baba kamma 113b:
"to cheat him (goi) is permitted.
Majmonides in Hilchot akum, part. X, § 1
"Have no mercy for them (goim), if someone sees akum (christian) dying or drowning in a river, not help him. "
Zohar, część I, 38b i 39a:
The murderers of christians earn highest place in heaven.
1. The author of the book, father Pranaitis was catholic.
2. I wanted to show difference between religion of Old Testament, mozaism and tribal religion of jews - rabinic, talmudic judaism.
3. I wanted to show the reasons behind the struggle of talmudic judaism against Catholic Church through last 2000 years.
what does that have to with anything in this thread?
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
The murderers of christians earn highest place in heaven.
Interesting , Still Christians love Jews and many Christians find it hard to telerate Muslims and thier belief . Why is that ? Because Catholics believe Jesus pbuh was a Jew ; so it's a must for all Cahtolics to love Jews whatever they believe about Catholics , their Lord and mother of God ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
You know now what some pieces of Talmud say about goys (non belivers), so it would be good argument with the discussion with those who say that Quaran teaches violence and that mosques should be banned etc etc.
If we want be consequent we should aslo ban building synagogues and ban Talmud.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
You know now what some pieces of Talmud say about goys (non belivers), so it would be good argument with the discussion with those who say that Quaran teaches violence and that mosques should be banned etc etc.
If we want be consequent we should aslo ban building synagogues and ban Talmud.
I think you mean "consistent", not "consequence".
Did I miss something? I haven't seen anyone on the forum seriously suggest banning anything. And I certainly haven't seen it in this thread.
Hi, I'm very interested in world religions. For Catholics (or for non Catholics, if you know the answer)
AoA,
i am of the opinion that not all Catholics will hold the same reason or understanding of your questions, I am very very close to a Catholic community so will offer you from my understanding and experience. The Catholic Catechism (just google to the Vatican site) would give a better insight as to their dogma on your questions
1) Why do you pray to Mary and the saints? Why not just directly to God?
Christian religion has at times been subtle in its insertion into other cultures. IE turning pagan ill-ah festival into Easter. A woman who was not a Catholic but studied religion once told me the early Church used Mary (bbhn) as a way to reach pagans who were goddess worshippers. I have never found old writings to support this but it does seem plausible.
Catholic understanding is that they pray through saints not the simple understanding of the wording to. That is they want to reach Allah but do it through dead people who they have seen His attributes in.
A Catholic priest recently addressed a group where i live and said in truth people should pray to Allah but some dont feel they are worthy enough to do this directly.
2) Why do you revere the Pope? Jesus alone if the head of the Church, no man can make His laws for Him...
The pope is not a representation of Yeshua (pbwh) but of a church elder Peter (pbuh). They base their claim that Yeshua (pbwh) said he would build a religion on his loyalty. Succession they claim this is passed on. Catholics claim Yeshua (pbwh) is the head of religion and the people in it including the pope are his body. Maybe it means Yeshua (pbwh) is the master of the dean and guides his followers even in this day.
3) Would you consider Eastern Orthodox Christians your brothers as opposed to Protestants? Which do you believe is more in line with Christ's teachings, the Eastern Orthodox Church or Protestantism?
I am not super confident to answer this but will give it a go. Eastern and Latin Catholics biggest fall out is how the Holy spirit comes to man. Latin's say it comes from Allah and Yeshua (pbwh) Eastern's say from Allah. I think it is a "source" argument. (it is good to be mindful that The Holy spirit is not exactly the same understanding in Islam ie angel it is more the presence of Allahs guidance i think.) Latin rite Catholics i know do acknowledge Eastern as very much the same where i live (dominant Latin rite) .they allow Eastern's to partake as full members. Some dislike this but it seems most think it right.
I have heard a Catholic priest and Uniting minister refer to each other as "brother Priests". So things would be seen as changing. My answer to question 3 is very experience based and less on study.
There's more questions, but I would appreciate an answer to these. Thank you.
I really hope this is of some help to you.
May Our Father bless and guide you and yours as youse submit unto Him
"I will be what I will be", you have free will so choose who you see
I think it is common for people of most faiths, to pray for friends and family who have died. In praying for them we seem to be interceding for them on their behalf. How many times do you see on this forum, that someone asks another person to pray for them.
In a similar kind of way, we pray to Mary and the Saints, asking them to intercede for us. Praying for each other brings us closer together.
I have to agree with you, and the further up the ladder you appear to be in Christianity, the more of a servant you should be. The Pope might do far more good by washing the feet of his followers, rather than claim authority. I believe the perceived authority of the pope is one of the biggest obstacles in the way of Christian Unity.
Jesus said, love one another as I have loved you, by this all men will know that you are my disciples. I feel the biggest obstacle to unity, is a lack of love for each other, rather than the differences in teaching and theology.
in the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding and friendship
Eric
The Bible shows there is no need to pray for the dead
Jesus did say in LUKE 9: And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
For those that have given up the ghost, it will be as if they are asleep for a minute and then wake in heaven
Praise be to God
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