Job 25:6
Son of Man/Son of God means Jesus and he is called a worm."4 How then can a man be righteous before God? How can one born of woman be pure? 5 If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his eyes, 6 how much less man, who is but a maggot— a son of man, who is only a worm!"
Isnt God supposed to have respectable names
Greetings and peace be with you Airforce
If you should read the complete Book of Job, starting from Job – 1 through to 25, you will understand the context in which this is written.format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding.
Eric
That is true Ericformat_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
just objective reading,The term son of man neither in Job nor any other OT book should be understood to be a reference to Jesus...
In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding.
Job's actually a fantastic book, one of my favourite. The guy lost everything bar his faith in God.
We are given 99 attributes of God that he is kind, holy, merciful,cherisher, sustainer etc and also there are he is not a mortal , idol, he does not eat etc
So similarly the bible tells what God is not .
So in otherwords ,anyone that is born of a woman whether a Moses , Jesus or a Muhammad or a Rama , Krishna or Buddha is not good enough to be compared with God and that Jesus was given birth, and came out as little helpless small baby is enough to refute the claim that Jesus is God. It is utter blasphemy to claim that God came out of a women like all people, it is utter blasphemy to claim God came out crying and screaming and being helpless and weak. Such nonsense is insulting to God; this itself is enough to prove Jesus is not God.How then can a man be righteous before God? How can one born of woman be pure? 5 If even the moon is not bright and the stars are not pure in his eyes
We human beings according to this book of God are maggots .Do you know what's a maggot . You know those worms that go on manure ,maggothow much less man, who is but a maggot—
You and I according to this book of God , We are nothing more than a maggot
Son of Man - Jesus is addressed as Son of Man 83 times in the new testament .Ask any christian missonary who is the Son Of Man and he would say JesusAnd Son of Man(Jesus)
This is an explicit statement and if you think somewhere at the back of your mind, Jesus is an exception , God almighty goes out of his way and tells us that My Son Jesus is no exception ,and is nothing but a worm .You know whats a worm , we are maggots - a worse degree than the worm and Jesus a wormis a worm
Last edited by Predator; 01-08-2010 at 08:57 PM.
I see where this thread is heading...
If you're dicontent with the responses given by myself and two other posters, address such replies. Al amanar described it best.
Jesus is God choosing to humble himself to be born in human form.
Christians believe, however, that he was the only man ever to walk this earth to have been free of sin - and therefore be pure and righteous.
I know this doesn't fit into the Islamic teachings, and we can go round and round in circles disagreeing with each other ... but that is a central belief in Christian teaching.
Isaiah 9:6 tells us this about Jesus:
And here are another 100 names for Jesus from the Bible:For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Advocate (1 John 2:1)
Almighty (Rev. 1:8; Mt. 28:18)
Alpha and Omega (Rev. 1:8; 22:13)
Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Apostle of our Profession (Heb. 3:1)
Atoning Sacrifice for our Sins (1 John 2:2)
Author of Life (Acts 3:15)
Author and Perfecter of our Faith (Heb. 12:2)
Author of Salvation (Heb. 2:10)
Beginning and End (Rev. 22:13)
Blessed and only Ruler (1 Tim. 6:15)
Bread of God (John 6:33)
Bread of Life (John 6:35; 6:48)
Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15)
Capstone (Acts 4:11; 1 Pet. 2:7)
Chief Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)
Chief Shepherd (1 Pet. 5:4)
Christ (1 John 2:22)
Creator (John 1:3)
Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Eternal Life (1 John 1:2; 5:20)
Faithful and True (Rev. 19:11)
Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5)
Faithful and True Witness (Rev. 3:14)
First and Last (Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13)
Firstborn From the Dead (Rev. 1:5)
Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15)
Gate (John 10:9)
God (John 1:1; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rom. 9:5; 2 Pet. 1:1;1 John 5:20; etc.)
Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
Great Shepherd (Heb. 13:20)
Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23)
Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Holy and True (Rev. 3:7)
Holy One (Acts 3:14)
Hope (1 Tim. 1:1)
Hope of Glory (Col. 1:27)
Horn of Salvation (Luke 1:69)
I Am (John 8:58)
Image of God (2 Cor. 4:4)
Immanuel (Mt. 1:23)
Judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42)
King Eternal (1 Tim. 1:17)
King of Israel (John 1:49)
King of the Jews (Mt. 27:11)
King of kings (1 Tim 6:15; Rev. 19:16)
King of the Ages (Rev. 15:3)
Lamb (Rev. 13:8)
Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Lamb Without Blemish (1 Pet. 1:19)
Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45)
Life (John 14:6; Col. 3:4)
Light of the World (John 8:12)
Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Living One (Rev. 1:18)
Living Stone (1 Pet. 2:4)
Lord (2 Pet. 2:20)
Lord of All (Acts 10:36)
Lord of Glory (1 Cor. 2:8)
Lord of lords (Rev. 19:16)
Man from Heaven (1 Cor. 15:48)
Master (Lk. 5:5; 8:24; 9:33)
Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb. 9:15)
Mighty God (Isa. 9:6)
Morning Star (Rev. 22:16)
Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16)
Only Begotten Son of God (John 1:18; 1 John 4:9)
Our Great God and Savior (Titus 2:13)
Our Holiness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Husband (2 Cor. 11:2)
Our Protection (2 Thess. 3:3)
Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30)
Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7)
Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6)
Prophet (Acts 3:22)
Rabbi (Mt. 26:25)
Resurrection and Life (John 11:25)
Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5)
Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1)
Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)
Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16)
Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14)
Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5)
Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20)
Son of David (Lk. 18:39)
Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14)
Son of Man (Mt. 8:20)
Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32)
Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9)
The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11)
True Bread (John 6:32)
True Light (John 1:9)
True Vine (John 15:1)
Truth (John 1:14; 14:6)
Way (John 14:6)
Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Word (John 1:1)
Word of God (Rev. 19:13)
You have spectacularly missed out the Carpenter
Who is the Carpenter here , Joseph or God Almighty"Jesus was a carpenter by trade." (Mark, 6:3),
"and the son of a carpenter." (Matthew, 13:55)
Is Jesus the Son of God the Father or Son of Joseph ? Thats amazing , a man with 2 fathers , what an absurdity"Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him,
we have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write,
Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph" (John, 1:45)
We Muslims believe he was born without a human father, just like Adam who was born without a father or mother
Last edited by Predator; 01-08-2010 at 08:08 PM.
Another reading out of context ,format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Isaiah 9
1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan- 2 The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death [a] a light has dawned.3 You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder.4 For as in the day of Midian's defeat, you have shattered the yoke that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor.
5 Every warrior's boot used in battle and every garment rolled in blood will be destined for burning,will be fuel for the fire. For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end.He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.
- Nobody calls or called Jesus Wonderful, Counsellor, or Everlasting Father....
He is ,according to the christians,the Everlasting Son, not the Father.
- Is someone who says he has not come to bring peace someone we can call "Prince of Peace?
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
- Jesus did not set up a government of peace without end or, indeed, any government,nor he ever hold David's throne.
The passage is simply by a Jewish writer who througout the book of Isaiah used to give comfort to the Jews by predicting the return of the golry times of David which passed .
a prediction that never been materialized !
According to the Bible, Joseph was not Jesus' biological father. He did, however, choose to raise him as his son (and teach him his trade, as it happens)format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce
This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"—which means, "God with us."
When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
(Matthew 1:18-25)Christians too believe that Jesus had no biological father (as the above Bible quote shows).We Muslims believe he was born without a human father, just like Adam who was born without a father or mother
But he did have his mother's husband Joseph, who raised him as his own.
Christians believe that Jesus was conceived miraculously through the Holy Spirit.
The relationship between God the Father and Jesus the Son are not of a biological nature either. God is not Jesus' biological Father. The term is a figure of speech, which describes the spiritual relationship between the two.
But Jesus referred to himself in relation to his follower in many different ways: as friend, as brother, as teacher, to name just a few ...format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
As I tried to explain to Airforce, these expressions symbolise and demonstrate the relationship between God and mankind. They also symbolise the nature of God.
If you look at the list of names for Jesus which I posted, you will find amongst them 'the Way', 'the Gate', 'the Rock', 'the Lamb' and 'the true Vine'. Clearly those are not literal descriptions. Instead they describe the nature of Jesus and thereby the nature of God.
As for Jesus being described as Everlasting Father, perhaps this might help:
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves
(John 14:9-11)I suppose I cannot expect you to understand the wonderful peace that comes with following Jesus. May you know the peace of God that passes all understanding one day!- Is someone who says he has not come to bring peace someone we can call "Prince of Peace?
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
His kingdom is not of this world.- Jesus did not set up a government of peace without end or, indeed, any government,nor he ever hold David's throne.
Many people did not understand this, even during Jesus' time. King Herod feared that the new king would challenge his kingdom - and therefore killed the children under 2 years.
Many hoped Jesus would overthrow the Romans and bring a new government.
He did neither. His kingdom is not of this world and is more wonderful than any earthly reign or government!
The prediction never materialised?The passage is simply by a Jewish writer who througout the book of Isaiah used to give comfort to the Jews by predicting the return of the golry times of David which passed .
a prediction that never been materialized !
Not even the virgin birth?? (Isaiah 7:14) Or did the Jewish writer happen to hit it lucky there?
(Predicting a virgin birth must have been a bit of a risk - it's such a rare event!)
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His kingdom is not of this world(John 18:36-38)Jesus said, "My Kingdom does not belong to this world; if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!"
So Pilate asked him, "Are you a king, then?"
Jesus answered: "You say that I am a king. I was born and came into this world for this one purpose, to speak about the truth. Whoever belongs to the truth listens to me."
"And what is truth?" Pilate asked.
Just thought some Biblical evidence might come in useful glo.
and how does that addresses the point under discussion !format_quote Originally Posted by glo
he had the titles under discussion or not?
more Important how many princes of peace came to our world?
how many Wondrous Advisers came to our world?
I love it when the person who argue with me support his points with proof text, which I usually respond with a proof text too.. I dont think Jesus meant by (Im in the father) to be synonyms of (Im the father)format_quote Originally Posted by glo
clues?
"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." John 17:20-22
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
Ephesians 4:6
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
you assume that the experience of the wonderful peace is exclusive to christians?
If so , you need to listen to some of such wonderful peace experiences by millions of born again Muslims,Buddihists etc...
they all have the same inner peace,confidence the christians have....
Im afraid, it seems you try to be a preacher rather than a prover, right here.
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
Such argument is typical of such person whose wish precedes his wisdom!!
Are we talking about David's throne or some other kingdom upthere?!!!!!
Have you any idea what David's throne is?
1 Kings 2:12 - And Solomon sat on the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was firmly established.
but I understand the mentality of such fanatics who wrote the gospels..
the man came ,his days passed ,without even one hour being established in such predicted Old Testament kingdom,so they built for him a kingdom of their own imagination.... a kingdom upthere in the sky !!
you mean Isaiah 9?format_quote Originally Posted by glo
the fact that the kingdom of David never been rebuilt again as promised in the prediction ,one can wisely be sure that it never been materialized...
if you claim that the kingdom yet to be established in the future,I would say:
well,Ok no problem...just do me a favor and stop quoting Isaiah 9 as been fulfilled by Jesus,or anyone else whatever he might be.......
to be honest,I would tell you a secret, you know that the virgin birth prophecy is one of the top ten reasons Im not a christian?format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I had academic discussion about that so called prophecy there with a christian friend,who seems to be busy nowadays, If only you join and continue the argument?
The Injil
format_quote Originally Posted by glo(Predicting a virgin birth must have been a bit of a risk - it's such a rare event!
predicting a virgin birth (excuse me for using such words) is a pure nonesense..
any virgin without a husband such days could have been impregnated by adultry and is claimed to be pregnant by some holy force !!!
that is why the Quran mentioned the miracle but gives the complementary miracle (talking in the cradle to defend the fame of his mother)...
If the prediction is (The virgin will be pregnant) then no risk here and nothing amazing here...format_quote Originally Posted by glo
most virgins will be pregnant one day....... lntroduce me a virgin (halal) and I will make her pregnant soon lol
predicting a virgin birth must have been a bit of a risk if the text claimed that the virgin will be pregnant with the incarnated God etc....
Last edited by Al-manar; 01-11-2010 at 12:30 AM.
Dont you think the Bible should have been more specific about the relation with Joseph adopted son Jesus by mentioning him " Jesusas his adopted son because he didnt father the child as Quran always mention him as the Son of MaryBut he did have his mother's husband Joseph, who raised him as his own.
What do you mean " Through the Holy Spirit" That sounds more as if Holy Spirit Mary conceived Jesus through the intervention of the Spirit rather than a miracle which is without the intervention of anything .God is so greatChristians believe that Jesus was conceived miraculously through the Holy Spirit
Adam's birth was greater than Jesus , he was born without Father and Mother
In the Old testament , the word "Son of God" meant Servant of God , do you agree that Jesus is a servant of GodThe relationship between God the Father and Jesus the Son are not of a biological nature either. God is not Jesus' biological Father
What do you mean Spiritual relationship ? If you tell me he is equal in power and knowledge to God, i disagree and the below verses from Jesus speaks for itself. The term is a figure of speech, which describes the spiritual relationship between the two.
MATTHEW 28:18
"And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is
GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earthJohn 5:30." My father is greater than I , My father is greater than All and I can of my ownself do nothing .MARK 13:32
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels which are in heaven, NEITHER THE SON, but the
Father."MATTHEW 19:16-I7
One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing
shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
"And Jesus said unto him, WHY CALLEST THOU ME
GOOD? there is NONE GOOD BUT ONE, THAT IS GOD
And Jesus prayed to him
So dont you think the God that Jesus worshipped is the one you should be praying to ?One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"
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Greetings and peace be with you Airforce;
Why should God have to be more specific, maybe it is for us to try harder to understand. We believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, and we believe that God knows what is best for us.Dont you think the Bible should have been more specific about the relation with Joseph adopted son Jesus
In the spirit of praying for a greater interfaith understanding.
Eric
So that it doesnt end up misleading peopleformat_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Why should Jesus be called the son of Joseph rather than his adopted son when Jesus isnt the offspring of Joseph . It makes so sense . Mary is the Biological parent of Jesus and hence that why the Quran always refers to Jesus as the Son of Mary
That is actually in reference to the Trinity as a whole. Take a look at these verses:format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
'Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign (Christ), till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is expected (the Father), which did put all things under him.' I Corinthians 15: 24-27.
Here's a scripture explaining Wonderful Counsellor.
'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.' St. John 15: 26.
Here's a reference to the Prince of Peace:
'Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.' St John 14: 27.
That is to happen at the end of the age. The first time Jesus came, he had to die to save man from his sins, to deliver them from the bondage of sin. The second time he comes it will be to establish the kingdom of God, and to redeem Israel. Read the book of Revelation.format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
format_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
Fedos, Fedos
just a basic lesson in the trinity(according to Trinitarians)
1- The father, spiritual being who can't be seen or heard.
2- the son ,jesus.
3- the holy spirit.
unless you are a heretic and confuse the father with the son,the prophecy has nothing to do with the son but the father....
would you dare claiming that the father is the only begotten of the son?
As a matter of fact ,the dogma of the trinity is what refutes the passage ......
more important ..... how giving titles as prince of peace, mighty god etc...... would be a valid prophecy fulfillment?
how many religious figures in the past,now ...had such titles?
how many been called princes of peace..
how many been called mighty gods..
how many been called wonderous advisors...
format_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
Have you seen my advice to ,sister glo?
How one would claim a prophecy fulfillment before its fulfillment?!!!
your argument is:
Yes, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy because he will fulfill it .....!!!
Does that make any sense?!
Regards
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Well, it just means that God will be governing his people. And Jesus is the Prince of Peace. But take a look at these verses:format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular, not plural) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.' Matthew 28: 19.
So even though there are three persons in the Godhead there is still one God. Also here:
'And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
And I heard a voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.' Revelation 21: 1-3.
So here we see that God will dwell and rule over all those who accept Jesus as Savior throughout the ages. So the Triune God will be dwelling among his people. So this is when that scripture in Isaiah will be fulfilled.
Those are titles ascribed to the Triune God of the Bible.format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
I'm just pointing out that that prophecy is to be fulfilled at the end of the age. Look at these scriptures concerning what Jesus had to do the first time he came into the world.format_quote Originally Posted by Al-manar
1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
King James Version (KJV)
Now look at this passage in St. John:
'Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.
When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.' St. John 6: 14-15.
Now why did he do that? Because it wasn't time for the Kingdom of God to appear on earth yet. That won't happen until the end of the age, and that is when that prophecy in Isaiah will be fulfilled.
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How many fathers in the Godhead?format_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
who is the begotten of the father?
Don't you believe yet that according to the trinity dogma,the father is not the son.... and Jesus by no mean would be callled the father?
correctionformat_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
those are the titles ascribed to any beloved religious figure,idol
all man made gods been called mighty gods,princes of peace,wonderous advisors .....
Buddha is called the Prince of Peace,the All-wise
krishna is called a mighty god
but just calling them so doesn't neccesarily make them so...
format_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
great .......
I hope till the end of age ,no christian would claim that it was fullfiled...
format_quote Originally Posted by Fedos
I had a post regarding Isaiah 53 from Islam's point of view...
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparat...ml#post1274458
Regards
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