" As for any beast that is a splitter of the hoof
but is not a former of the cleft and not a chewer
of the cud, they are unclean for you. Everyone
touching them will be unclean. "
Leviticus 11:26
And he said: If you love me, do what I said.
Why most Christians have no love for Jesus?
Q: I am sure if your doctor told you to stay away from certain food to stay healthy, you will do your best to do what he said.
I agree! There is simply no need to justify it with such nonsense as 'pork causes every disease discovered' or 'pigs are filthy, therefore the people who eat pork are filthy!' It's completely ridiculous how one would desperately and generally unfruitfully try and search for any other reason as to the prohibition of pork other than 'God commands it'.
Yes, we clearly don't eat it because of the commandment of God. But the weak in faith and the ignorant kuffars wants reasons as to why we don't eat it other than it's a command from Allah. For it is enough that we are commanded not to eat it. Allah knows whats best for us with His infinite wisdom and knowledge. But man is ignorant and seeks reason, well He gave you science and technology and it isn't till man discovers himself the goods and bads of something that he stops/starts eating that.
Pig is simply the garbage disposal of mother nature. If you like eating from the garbage then be my guest. As far as this thread is concerned, the question has been answered, issue resolved.
Yes, we clearly don't eat it because of the commandment of God. But the weak in faith and the ignorant kuffars wants reasons as to why we don't eat it other than it's a command from Allah. For it is enough that we are commanded not to eat it. Allah knows whats best for us with His infinite wisdom and knowledge. But man is ignorant and seeks reason, well He gave you science and technology and it isn't till man discovers himself the goods and bads of something that he stops/starts eating that.
Pig is simply the garbage disposal of mother nature. If you like eating from the garbage then be my guest. As far as this thread is concerned, the question has been answered, issue resolved.
Science has also discovered that pork, like all meats, is an excellent source of protein. It is a good source of fat, and rich in vitamin B1, B12, zinc and selenium, all of which are essential to a balanced diet:
Nutritional Value of Pork:
Pork makes to the position of most widely consumed meat till today, with being bred almost in all major parts of the world. It is a rich source of proteins and fats. This meat being used to make sausages, ham and bacon is an essential part of people's daily nutrients requirement in many countries. No doubt, Pork has always been an energy packed food.
Nutrition Facts and Information about Pork:
Pork has a high mineral content of Phosphorus, Selenium, Sodium, Zinc, Potassium and Copper. The two minerals which are present in good quantities are Iron and Magnesium, while Calcium and Mangnese are found in traces only.
Vitamin Content of Pork:
Pork is highly enriched with Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, Thiamin, Niacin, Riboflavin and Pantothenic Acid. However, Vitamin A and Vitamin E are found in very small amounts.
Calorie Content of Pork:
Calorific value of Pork is 458.0 per 100 gm. This is quite high when compared to other animal products like chicken.
Health Benefits of Pork:
Consumption of Pork in moderate quantities is helpful in gaining energy. It is good for skin, eyes, nervous system, bones and mental performance. Intake of Pork also ensures better immunity to body due to presence of essential antioxidants.
Now, with all due respect, it seems you are cherry picking the bad things of pork and completely ignoring its benefits. Almost anything in excess will cause disease- heck, even water would kill you if drunk in excess. However, if eaten as part of a balanced diet, pork can be just as healthy, is not healthier, than any other meat.
This whole discussion reminds me of how Mormons try to justify their dietary practices as found in their scriptures. They are not allowed to drink tea, coffee, or alcohol. And they are not allowed to use tobacco. For many years they argued that these were supported by scientific and health studies. But that has recently changed.
Modern science has found a number of health benefits to drinking tea, especially green tea. And coffee has turned out to be beneficial as well. Tobacco is the one area that Mormons have right. Alcohol is somewhat problemmatic depending on the person I guess...very harmful for some people, not so harmful for others if consumed in moderation.
Anyway, when Mormons are confronted with the scientific evidence about tea and coffee they try to grasp at straws to defend the ban. They are losing the scientific argument.
In the end, their best argument is obedience. If they believe in their scriptures, they believe they should follow their dietary practices. Plain and simple.
I think Islam should do the same. They should simply state that Pork is forbidden in the Qur'an and therefore we don't eat pork. The health arguments, scientific arguments, etc., don't ring true and are not all that persuasive, especially to a nonmuslim. It is a simple question of following the Qur'an.
“All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
Science has also discovered that pork, like all meats, is an excellent source of protein. It is a good source of fat, and rich in vitamin B1, B12, zinc and selenium, all of which are essential to a balanced diet:
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I'll use a Quranic verse on intoxicants and gambling to answer your diet statement:
"...Say: “In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.” ..." (2:219)
If you really want to talk about proteins and diets why don't you quit eating everything and start having a sip of semen everyday. It contains all the nutritional needs you are required in a day and its fast and efficient.
You can get your proteins eating beetles and cockroaches!
the funny things folks go through to change the commandments
No cheap retort at Christian theology? No smug, wasted remark on how we worship a demi man god concieved by a peasant girl whilst following the teachings of Devil Saul? I was getting oh so used to it becoming customary in your posts! However, in response to your post, beetles and cockroaches are too inefficient in terms of energy. Meat is generally inefficient anyway, thanks to the energy the animal wastes moving and keeping warm and through excretion, however eating cockroaches and beetles is biologically too inefficient!
I think Islam should do the same. They should simply state that Pork is forbidden in the Qur'an and therefore we don't eat pork. The health arguments, scientific arguments, etc., don't ring true and are not all that persuasive, especially to a nonmuslim. It is a simple question of following the Qur'an.
I agree! Will someone please change the record from this nonsense about pork being the unhealthiest food in creation! The Quran says so, and that should suffice as to why Muslims refrain from consuming it. God doesn't need a justification to His commands, irregardless of how irrational.
If you really want to talk about proteins and diets why don't you quit eating everything and start having a sip of semen everyday. It contains all the nutritional needs you are required in a day and its fast and efficient.
And vice versa for those who claim that pork is so bad! Pork has draw backs, sure, although so does every food. We may as well retreat to 'having a sip of semen a day', as you put it, if we dwell over the trivial and rae health defects that may, on the off chance, result from eating pork!
I'll use a Quranic verse on intoxicants and gambling to answer your diet statement:
"...Say: “In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.” ..." (2:219)
If you really want to talk about proteins and diets why don't you quit eating everything and start having a sip of semen everyday. It contains all the nutritional needs you are required in a day and its fast and efficient.
rofl.. I was going to mention that along protein rich diets, but figured it would be too enabling to our homosexual crowd!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
No cheap retort at Christian theology? No smug, wasted remark on how we worship a demi man god concieved by a peasant girl whilst following the teachings of Devil Saul? I was getting oh so used to it becoming customary in your posts! However, in response to your post, beetles and cockroaches are too inefficient in terms of energy. Meat is generally inefficient anyway, thanks to the energy the animal wastes moving and keeping warm and through excretion, however eating cockroaches and beetles is biologically too inefficient!
I'll leave the ineffectual verbiage to you as usual!
not necessarily so, as it depends on how many bugs you are willing to down to make a moot point!
agree! Will someone please change the record from this nonsense about pork being the unhealthiest food in creation! The Quran says so, and that should suffice as to why Muslims refrain from consuming it. God doesn't need a justification to His commands, irregardless of how irrational.
It remains a part of an unhealthy diet, but in fact if you scroll back to the previous pages you'll find a couple of things:
1- the post wasn't directed at christians.
2- Most Muslims in here (including myself) have stated that all there needs be to make it a prohibition is that God willed it so.
we don't eat pigs anymore than we eat rhino surely they too have proteins and B vits which by the way you can get simply licking the bottom of your shoe that is how abundant that water soluble compound is.
3- as stated previously pig eating is the least of the christian problem and let me cement that with the usual, a god, espousing a human woman and impregnating her with himself, suckling, and dying after begging himself not to be forsaken and abrogating his commandments through his Nemesis Saul does seem to be the bigger lard to swallow in this picture!
Pigs remain holders of some of the most lethal diseases in medicine, every animal is capable of making us sick it is true & I have so professed.. however a diphyllobothrium latum from a fish can't equate to neurocysticercosis from a pig!
all the best!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
" As for any beast that is a splitter of the hoof
but is not a former of the cleft and not a chewer
of the cud, they are unclean for you. Everyone
touching them will be unclean. "
Leviticus 11:26
And he said: If you love me, do what I said.
You conflate these statements. The first statement was directed at one specific group of people AND THEM ONLY!!
If Muslims believe it was the word of God for all who love Jesus, and I understand that Muslims love Jesus, then why don't Muslim follow the whole of these teachings. Why do they only follow some of these teachings?
I am sure if your doctor told you to stay away from certain food to stay healthy, you will do your best to do what he said.
Why not God???
Well, first, God never told me to stay away from any particular food. He told Jews to do that, but I am not a Jew.
Second, even when God told the Jews to stay away from certain foods, he never said it had to do with their health. It had to do with their identity as members of the covenant that he had made with the nation of Israel. Whether those foods were healthy or not was irrelevant to the reason for Jews obeying them, just like it isn't because of health issues by obedience that Muslims obey the guidance they have received in the Qur'an. I would even go so far as to say if the only reason that a Muslim or a Jew were to obey the laws their respective groups received was not because God said to obey, but because they determined that obedience would be health and God was theefore right. Then they aren't really obeying God/Allah but their own human reason. Such an action is not the same thing as submission, for the act does not come from the heart. It is to make one a judge of God/Allah and I would actually call such an attitude sinful.
You can get your proteins eating beetles and cockroaches!
the funny things folks go through to change the commandments
No one is changing any commandments. The Jews are still to live by the commandments they receive, the Muslims by those that they received, and the Christian to live by the command of Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit -- we have no other command beyond these.
I'll leave the ineffectual verbiage to you as usual!
not necessarily so, as it depends on how many bugs you are willing to down to make a moot point!
Well, eating lots of bugs in itself is inefficient, not only energy wise, but ecology wise. One cannot simply exterminate an entire bug colony just to have breakfast- that would be inefficient!
1- the post wasn't directed at christians
My post never mentioned Christian attitudes towards pork, and this thread is not about Christianity...
Muslims in here (including myself) have stated that all there needs be to make it a prohibition is that God willed it so.
we don't eat pigs anymore than we eat rhino surely they too have proteins and B vits which by the way you can get simply licking the bottom of your shoe that is how abundant that water soluble compound is.
What a strawman. We are not talking about wild, endangered species here that are only found in Africa and are generally never eaten- such lacklustre comparisons just show how much thought you have on the subject!
3- as stated previously pig eating is the least of the christian problem and let me cement that with the usual, a god, espousing a human woman and impregnating her with himself, suckling, and dying after begging himself not to be forsaken and abrogating his commandments through his Nemesis Saul does seem to be the bigger lard to swallow in this picture!
You're digressing this thread again, although your (clearly personal) problem with Christianity as expressed persistently in unrelated rants and nonsensical ravings at every oppurtunity you get are frankly getting rather dull and boring! Change the record, move on, stop diverting the topic.
Pigs remain holders of some of the most lethal diseases in medicine, every animal is capable of making us sick it is true & I have so professed.. however a diphyllobothrium latum from a fish can't equate to neurocysticercosis from a pig!
And neither of them can equate to anything short of rarities!
This whole discussion reminds me of how Mormons try to justify their dietary practices as found in their scriptures. They are not allowed to drink tea, coffee, or alcohol. And they are not allowed to use tobacco. For many years they argued that these were supported by scientific and health studies. But that has recently changed.
Modern science has found a number of health benefits to drinking tea, especially green tea. And coffee has turned out to be beneficial as well. Tobacco is the one area that Mormons have right. Alcohol is somewhat problemmatic depending on the person I guess...very harmful for some people, not so harmful for others if consumed in moderation.
Anyway, when Mormons are confronted with the scientific evidence about tea and coffee they try to grasp at straws to defend the ban. They are losing the scientific argument.
In the end, their best argument is obedience. If they believe in their scriptures, they believe they should follow their dietary practices. Plain and simple.
I think Islam should do the same. They should simply state that Pork is forbidden in the Qur'an and therefore we don't eat pork. The health arguments, scientific arguments, etc., don't ring true and are not all that persuasive, especially to a nonmuslim. It is a simple question of following the Qur'an.
I think you are correct, Pork is forbidden because ''God said so'' Not because of any other pathetic attempts at trying to prove scientifically or otherwise that pork is ''evil''.
If God would of said that ice-cream or milk is evil I’m sure we would be assisting to posts like the walls of text I have encountered here attempting to give a rational explanation on why these (milk and ice-cream) is forbidden while it’s obvious that none will be found. The more rational argument here is that religious rites/practises are influenced by a sociohistorical context, Il give an example, in the Buddhist faith, Pork’s are consider vile and greedy animals, It can be advanced that maybe this is the reason people back then in the Islamic faith considered Pork’s impure: Pigs look like greedy animals eating all they see, or maybe they had some special importance.
Besides I repeat, how can material food affect the immaterial soul?
On another note I would like to point out to those of us here who like attacking people on grammar and whatnot that a thing is not true because spoken magnificently nor false because badly uttered.
“An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. ”
-Albert Camus
Besides its a red herring to say that God forbade Pork because its bad for your health. For the simple reason that most of the diseases listed here by some users weren't known until very recently and the effects of such and such a food wasent know until very recently, of course we can argue that God knew since the begining and we were ignorant, but in that case why didn't he bann energy drinks? or any other example I cant think of right now, its bad for your health right? so why wouldnt he step up and ban them now? what about cigarette? he could to kill 2 birds with one stone and bann that also.
Pork is the most Dépassé food bann nowadays, even the club for lobbster rights has more credit.
Last edited by Justufy; 03-17-2010 at 12:29 AM.
“An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. ”
-Albert Camus
Well, eating lots of bugs in itself is inefficient, not only energy wise, but ecology wise. One cannot simply exterminate an entire bug colony just to have breakfast- that would be inefficient!
Where do you come up with this stuff.. have you any clue how many bugs there are in the world or rats? rats are a good source of protein too.. pls try that let me know how you fare!
My post never mentioned Christian attitudes towards pork, and this thread is not about Christianity...
Then why are you posting here?
What a strawman. We are not talking about wild, endangered species here that are only found in Africa and are generally never eaten- such lacklustre comparisons just show how much thought you have on the subject!
You find strawman in truth as you find gods in men..
The problem isn't in the factuality of what is written, it is in the way you are able to process information in a style that is sure to cause you a radical paradigm shift!
You're digressing this thread again, although your (clearly personal) problem with Christianity as expressed persistently in unrelated rants and nonsensical ravings at every oppurtunity you get are frankly getting rather dull and boring! Change the record, move on, stop diverting the topic.
I do find christianity nonsensical, but it is very much in keeping with this thread and not a digression.. if it is getting boring you can take the nearest exit.. I take from your incessant need to reply with irrelevant comments that it excites you rather than bores you!
And neither of them can equate to anything short of rarities!
sitting in a classroom when suddenly a man enters and says, I'll kill only one of you if any of you don't remain silent for the next thirty minutes, he flashes his gun around, there is a hundred in the class and you figure, well that is just one percent of us and it is negligible, I am going flirt with this blond chic next to me.. if you are willing to take that chance, then so be it.. a negligible percent is 100% when it is your life at stake!
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
a negligible percent is 100% when it is your life at stake!
Then why are some pork products successful worldwide? I think I would think twice before eating what you compare to a gun carrying maniac. I guess congratulation on finding some material to sue some of the most successful food enterprises with. Take this to court you may get lucky and win some money, just like the lady that won thousands of $$ after burning herself with a McDonald Coffey cup.
“An intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. ”
-Albert Camus
If locked in a room for 2 whole weeks with the only food available being pork I’m certain that Gossamer Sky and the majority here would jump on and gorge on the meat (salvation be ****ed). Its hypocrisy to think otherwise, such is our human condition.
we are allowed to eat all that is forbidden if it's a matter of life and death.
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