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    Exclamation Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paralles

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    JESUS PROPHECIES ISLAM / MOHAMMED (peace be upon him) AND TOLD ABOUT “PEOPLE OF THE BOOK”-RELIGIONS (in Qur..an 600 years later!), AND TIME-SCHEDULE OF THOSE, AND TOLD ORDER OF THOSE RELIGIONS WITH DESCRIPTIONS: (Allah knows best)



    (These two "hidden prophecy" are connected to Luke.5:36-39, why new religion is necessary instead of change of old religions.)

    1 "hour" = approx. 200 hundred years, from Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC (and so Jewish-religion 1600 BC->) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 12 hours = 200 years

    Matt.20:1. "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner (God) who went (send prophets) out early in the morning (before "first hour" of 12 hours of day in Jewish calendar, so Abraham/Jacob 1800-1700 BC and Jews as a religion after them in "first hour" 1600-1400 BC) to hire men (believers) to work (for His glory) in his vineyard (Earth). 2. He agreed to pay them a denarius (paradise) for the day (world history) and sent them into his vineyard.

    3. "About the third hour (1300/1200-1100 BC Sabians/Zarathustrians, even in Bible there is two "Sabians" in opposite directions, another possibly in South-Iraq) he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing (Judaism had not spread much outside their own Jewish nation). 4.He told them, 'You also (besides Judaism) go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5. So they went.

    "He went out again about the sixth hour (600 BC beginning of prophesies about Messiah) and the ninth hour (around 1 AC Jesus were born) and did the same thing (created Christians and Christianity, notice simple description as Jesus is speaking about religion most connected to himself).

    6. ABOUT (not exactly 400-600 AC) the eleventh hour (Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him: 570-632 AC) he went out (send prophet) and found still others (Arabs) standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing (Arabs had not had religions through prophets, only polytheism-paganism)?'

    7. " 'Because no one has hired us (Arabs were so despised that even Byzantium or Persia did not want to conquer and convert them),' they answered."He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'

    8. "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the workers and pay them their wages (what they deserve), beginning with the last ones hired (Muslims) and going on to the first (Jews).'

    9. "The workers (Muslims) who were hired about the eleventh hour (500-700 AC) came and each received a denarius. 10. So when those came who were hired first (Jews), they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner (God). 12. 'These men who were hired last (Muslims) worked only one hour,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day (persecutions, slavery, occupations).'

    13. "But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius? 14. Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15. Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous (you want to keep God for your nation only, as a "chosen people")?'

    16. "So the last (Muslims) will be first, and the first (Jews) will be last."

    [Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him, said that even though he was last of prophets, and Muslims are last of believers, they will be first to enter paradise, "last will be first"]

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    002.062 (Translation by) YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

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    1 "year" = approx. 600 years, from Abraham / Jacob 1800/1700 (and so later Jews) to Islam 632 AC = 2400 years / 4 "year" = 600 years

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    Luke.13:6. Then he told this parable: "A master (God) had a fig tree (symbol of Israel in Bible), planted in his vineyard (Earth), and he went to look for fruit (results) on it, but did not find any. 7. So he said to the man (Jesus) who took care of the vineyard (Judaism "only true religion"/least corrupted religion in the world in times of Jesus), 'For three (3*600 = 1800) years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil (why not to do better religion)?'

    8. " 'Sir,' the man replied, 'leave it alone for one (1*600) more year(s), and I'll dig around it and fertilize it (make world ready for Islam, also in Middle-East, "around" Israel as in [Christian] Arabia/Egypt/Syria). 9. If it bears fruit next year (in 600 years), fine! If not, then cut it down (Judaism and so also its sect/branch Christianity, from way of Islam, after that “year”, 600 years, passed after Jesus to death of Mohammed, pbuh, almost excactly 600 years later in 632AC).' "

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    MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16

    There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"

    ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC)

    Well, besides possible corruption in the Bible, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. It was not his expertise and he was only HUMAN, but id does not dimish his role as a PROPHET in anyway. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity.

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    MY CALCULATIONS IN Luke 13:6-9

    Maybe Israel AS AN OFFICIAL STATE (eventhough part of Rome and so not state) was "cut down" 70 AC, but Jewish religion and its sect Christianity did not "expire" as a (right) religions before Islam came 600 years after Jesus (Jesus 32 AC - Mohammed 632 AC) from point of Islam. Israel itself as a state have no importance for God without its religion, do you Christians agree that from Bible?

    Israel (that "tree") is not subject anymore after its cutting down (in 600 AC), but ground around it. "Ground around it" is symbol for spiritual, geological, historical and religious connection between semitistic Islamic and Jewish religions. But before it (before Islam, those last 600 years that were given extra-time) Jewish-tree has opportunity to grow fruits "next year". Obviously it did not do so as God created Islam. All that tree produced during that "year" (600 years) was form of Christianity that worshipped Jewish prophet as a god. From Jewish view those are not good fruits.

    Could be said that after "Tree of Judaism was cut down" according to Jesus, he became only a prophet of Muslims, and so now he (with Bible) is kind of "mole/spy" of Islam in areas where Islam was not to be spread so much (as in India or China for example). All those areas are under "hidden" power of Islam through Jesus now (there is in hadiths prophecy of Mohammed, be be upon him, that he saw power of Islam stretching from west to east in the future).

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    Re: Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paral

    Sorry, I'm too tired to reply to all of this, but the Christian interpretation of the first being last and the last being first is Christ's teachings on being humble. The people who are proud and think they don't need assistance (first) will be made the least in heaven and the people who are humble, try to do better and accept that they need God's grace will be made first. There is a parable explaining this.

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    Re: Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paral

    I don't understand how one can say the Bible is corrupted and wrong, then use it as evidence to prove a point. It is contradictory and goes against logic.

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    Re: Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paral

    Quote Originally Posted by Karim Finland View Post
    MY CALCULATIONS IN Matt.20:1-16

    There is no mentioning if workers came in what part of each "hour"

    ("about") 11th = 400-600 AC, Islam 570-632AC (to beginning of 12th) 10th = 200-400 AC 9th = 1 AC-200 AC (Christianity 32 AC ->) 8th = 200 BC- 1 AD 7th = 400 BC-200 BC 6th = 600 BC-400 BC (Messiah prophesied) 5th = 800 BC-600 BC 4th = 1000 BC- 800 BC 3th = 1200-1000 BC (Sabians / Zarathustrians) 2nd = 1400 BC-1200 BC 1st = 1600 BC-1400 BC (Early Jews) "0-hour" = 1800 BC-1600 BC. ("Early in the morning he went", not actually INSIDE first hour, Jewish religion was practically born only after Jacob etc. in 1600 BC-1400 BC)

    Well, besides possible corruption in the Bible, Jesus did not go to practice math in schools. It was not his expertise and he was only HUMAN, but id does not dimish his role as a PROPHET in anyway. This is not math-exam, but for people to understand some idea. And maybe he being just a human, who makes errors and has somewhat limited knowledge, is reason also to why there is least "error-marginale" (+ - inside 200 years) in places of parallel connected to himself and Christianity.
    Or, more likely, it is your application of the parable to a purpose different than that for which Jesus actually told it that causes the math to not work out.

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    Re: Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paral

    Quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker View Post
    that causes the math to not work out.
    how does the math work out when you turn three into one?

    Quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    I don't understand how one can say the Bible is corrupted and wrong, then use it as evidence to prove a point. It is contradictory and goes against logic.

    Those parts that are confirmed by the Quran are true, those that contradict it are to be discarded..
    however, I don't personally look to the bible or OT for anything (I suppose for da3wah purposes) one can do, but I am too appalled by stories of incest and scatology to search in it for divine morsels that may still exist..

    all the best
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    Re: Jesus prophecies Islam in Matt.20, + Jesus prophesied Islam also in Luke.13,paral

    John 16 (King James Bible)

    But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?[5]
    But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.[6]
    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[7]
    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:[8]
    Of sin, because they believe not on me; [9]
    Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [10]
    Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. [11]
    I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. [12]
    Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [13]
    He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [14]
    All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [15]
    A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. [16]
    My own interpretations:

    Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[7]
    This 'Comforter' cannot arrive until Jesus has departed.

    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:[8]
    Of sin, because they believe not on me; [9]
    The Prophet (pbuh) was during the time of ignorance, when people had taken idols as gods to worship. They had rejected the message of Jesus (pbuh).

    Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [10]
    Jesus (pbuh) was preaching righteousness, however when he (pbuh) left there was no other prophets to continue speaking of righteousness, until the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) arrived.

    Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. [11]
    The Quran talks about the Day of Judgement and that it doesn't matter who you are or how rich or powerful you are you will get judged.

    I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. [12]
    Meaning that we will be able to bear them at a later date, showing that the Bible was meant for that time only. That there is more to come but that the people at the time could not bear it.

    Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [13]
    From what I understand, there are translation issues with this verse, more specifically the term 'Spirit of truth' however Jesus (pbuh) is clearly talking about someone else who will be sent after he departs.

    And that that this someone will not speak of his own but rather what he shall hear - The Prophet (pbuh) did not make the Quran from his own, but rather was taught it by Allah via Jibreel.

    The Quran was revealed to the Prophet (pbuh). In other words the Prophet (pbuh) did not speak of himself, but rather what he heard from the angel Jibreel.


    John 14 (King James Bible)
    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    The Quran is for the whole of mankind forever, no other revelation or Prophet (pbut) before the Quran and Mohammed (pbuh) ever had or spread a message or revelation that was meant to be forever.

    The Quran is the last and final revelation from Almight Allah.


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