if there is no judgement day then how will you know if you are being punished or rewarded according to your actions...is there no way you can defend yourself or have your actions that u commited on earth shown to you so you know that your "state of mind" is being rewarded with happiness or tormented with guilt is just?
I have never really studied Hinduism but what you have told me so far I respect your religion bc as muslims we are told to respect others but when it really gets down to it I harbour no dislike or like for your religion no offense i just respect it in a sense that you have your religion and I have mine....kinda like an agree to disagree type situation.
Well. As I have mentioned we have the law of karma. Every action has its effects on us either during this life-time or the next life-time(re-birth). We have to bear the consequences. For example, if we do harm to someone, some-else will do the same harm to us. We have the cycle of re-birth. This cycle continues till we become sinless. At this time we merge with God(attain Moksha)
You are here to know our views on hinduism or to propagate your religion? well it seems so with other posts on this thread.
Here is what i think since i live in india where i get to see this religion in action.
you all worship objects which u make with ur own hands, you worship creation not the creator.
what merger is going on here? creation merging into creator?
we dont believe all that, creator is seperate from his creation and he is with us by his knowledge.
Allah makes it very clear in the quran that you should worship the creator and not the creation and those who do not worship him will be punished severely in the afterlife, i suggest you to read quran with translation and you will find (moral order) better than what you find in your religious books (if thats what is keeping you like hinduism)
Firstly, I'm not propagating my religion because Hinduism never tells us to spread it.
Secondly, I've read the Quran and I'm aware that it tells us to worship the creator and not his creation. But Hinduism, which is a way of living, tells us to adore God and his creation with eternal love, and not merely by worship. When we have no arrogance and ego in us, we in a way have surrendered to God. Because, in true love, there is no arrogance and ego.
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND HINDUISM IS THAT OF ’S
(Everything is ‘God’s’ – Everything is ‘God’)
The major difference between the Hindu and the Muslim is that while the common Hindu believes in the philosophy of Pantheism, i.e. “everything is God, the Tree is God, the Sun is God, the Moon is God, the Snake is God, the Monkey is God, the Human Being is God”, all Muslims believe that “everything is God’s”.
The Muslims believe that everything is God’s. GOD with an apostrophe’s’. Everything belongs to the one and only unique eternal God. The tree belongs to God, the sun belongs to God, the moon belongs to God, the snake belongs to God, monkey belongs to God, the human being belongs to God.
Thus the major difference between the Hindus and the Muslims is the apostrophe ‘s’. The Hindu says, “everything is GOD”. The Muslim says, “everything is God’s”, GOD with an Apostrophe ‘s’. If we can solve the difference of the Apostrophe ‘s’, the Hindus and the Muslims will be united.
The Glorious Qur’an says
“Come to common terms as between us and you”,
Which is the first term?
“that we worship none but Allah”
So let’s come to common terms by analyzing the scriptures of the Hindus and of the Muslims.
Another thing I would like to point out is that idol worship is not compulsory in Hinduism. In-order to love our God, we try to personify him with the help of idols. By doing this we express our love. We believe that we get God in the form we perceive him.. That is what our God tells us.
In most hindu homes... every married woman wants a son like krishna(God), every teenager wants a friend like Krishna, many girls see him as their husband/boyfriend .. and so on. And according to Hinduism God appears before him devotees in the same form as they want him too.
I strongly recommend that you should not analyse Hinduism through Dr Zakir Naik's commentaries. He has quoted so many thing from Hindu scriptures which do not exist or make sense. If you check on youtube videos, he has been declared kafir by several muslim organisations for supporting terrorism in one of his videos.
In Hinduism, we have the following rituals of love:
1. Every molecule in the cosmos experiences the divine love of God and his devotee.
2. The soul united with the God. - Divine Love. Generations are eager to witness this union.
3. The God acts like a slave of his devotees - unconditional eternal love.
4. If God is the lotus then the devotee is its fragrance. Ie: Both depend on each other. Neither can exist without the other.
Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva(Creator, Sustainer and destroyer) are different aspects of the same God.
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long ago I read a story like this : once 2 of these 3 dieties had a dispute who is more powerful . Then they went to third diety and he said who can find my ......tail ??? I forgot now ..he is powerful.
They failed to find it out and understood they are less powerful than the 3rd one who is the most powerful among them.
In another story : most probably Brahma fulfillled a wish of a human being that if he touches someone , s/he will die. Then that person threatned the diety to touch & kill him and the diety ran away and asked helped from other diety. Most probably it was Shiva who disguied himself as a woman and helped the diety who was in trouble.
Can u explain these storeis to me pl. ? How it's possible God needs to run away from human for his own life and one diety is more superior to other ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
The first 8 incarnations which u had mentioned... where did they come ...all in india only?
From when on this is happening ?
Shiv,Vishnu,Brahma.... Is there any single word to refer God? Is there a temple for Brahma ..have heard only of vishnu followers..and shiv followers..why not brahma followers?
Is it not possible in ur relegion to think God/Gods without imagining THEM as a human figure/photo/or any other figure for that matter...?
I think you missed the Ladies in here... i mean the Goddess'...which you consider as wifes' of God...??? I think there are many temples for the Goddess'.
long ago I read a story like this : once 2 of these 3 dieties had a dispute who is more powerful . Then they went to third diety and he said who can find my ......tail ??? I forgot now ..he is powerful.
They failed to find it out and understood they are less powerful than the 3rd one who is the most powerful among them.
In another story : most probably Brahma fulfillled a wish of a human being that if he touches someone , s/he will die. Then that person threatned the diety to touch & kill him and the diety ran away and asked helped from other diety. Most probably it was Shiva who disguied himself as a woman and helped the diety who was in trouble.
Can u explain these storeis to me pl. ? How it's possible God needs to run away from human for his own life and one diety is more superior to other ?
Very Nice Point. Firstly, these disputes are not mentioned in Bhagwat Gita(Our word of God).
Some people believe that the vedic scholars made these stories in-order to maintain unity among devotees of shiva and vishnu(two different aspects of the same God). There was a demon called Bhasmasur. He prayed to Lord Shiva, who on being pleased with him gave him a boon that if he placed his hand on anyones head, that person would just burn down. Bhasmasur, misusing the power of this boon threatened Lord Shiva. Lord Vishnu, took the form of a beautiful lady- Mohini and seduced the demon. She made him place his hand on his own head and got him burnt down. These are just stories. They are not mentioned in the vedas or puranas. People believe Lord Shiva did this drama out of his eternal love for lord vishnu to prove him to be great. There are many stories which show that lord shiva was great too. They basically wanted to point out to the devotees that both the Gods pray to each other.
The first 8 incarnations which u had mentioned... where did they come ...all in india only?
From when on this is happening ?
Shiv,Vishnu,Brahma.... Is there any single word to refer God? Is there a temple for Brahma ..have heard only of vishnu followers..and shiv followers..why not brahma followers?
Is it not possible in ur relegion to think God/Gods without imagining THEM as a human figure/photo/or any other figure for that matter...?
I think you missed the Ladies in here... i mean the Goddess'...which you consider as wifes' of God...??? I think there are many temples for the Goddess'.
These incarnations as I said represents evolution. It was to explain the people the theory of evolution. The first incarnation, matsya(Fish) came during the times of the first human on Earth (Manu). This happened supposedly lakhs of years ago. The 8th incarnation, Lord Krishna came 5000 years ago.
GOD stands for (Generator, Operator and Destroyer). In hinduism, Brahma is the generator, Vishnu is the Operator and Shiva is the Destroyer. These are nothing but different aspects of the same God. In Hinduism, this God is referred to as ' Bhagwan' or 'Parambramh'. There are Brahma temples too. He is worshiped at Pushkar.
There are many Hindu schools which do not believe in idol worship. In Hinduism, the method of worship is completely based on the devotees choice.
There are three main Goddesses which are Saraswati, Lakshmi and Parvati. Saraswati represents knowledge, Lakshmi represents good fortune and prosperity, and Parvati represents motherly love. These are representations to explain to the common people that wherever there is God, there is knowledge, good-fortune and prosperity and motherly love. This helps the person understand the qualities of God better and strives to attain him. In another sense it also means that knowledge, goodfortune and motherly love are valuable things. They should be respected as much as God.
So how does reincarnation work? I've heard that disabled people were born disabled for living bad previous lives yet they you have no memory of your previous life? And also, if someone has merged with god, inessence aren't they worshipping themselves? And how do you worship according to your own rules?
Buddhism is a branch of Hinduism. Buddha was the 9th incarnation of our God. He was here to preach the law of karma and the ways to get enlightenment.
Salam and peace, powerofdharma.
You say Buddha is the 9th incarnation of God, it's means currently Buddha is the last incarnation of God because the 10th incarnation is not coming yet.
My question, if he is Sidharta Gautama, why don't Hindus follow Buddhism ?.
Sorry if my question is inappropriate. I just curious. Muslims believe Muhammad SAW is the last prophet. That's why we follow Islam, not religions of prophets who came earlier.
Christianity actually came after Islam...not before
You say that you highly doubt that a Buddhist would believe. Heres the first few lines from wikipedia: Buddhism (Pali/Sanskrit: बौद्ध धर्म Buddha Dharma) is a religion and philosophy encompassing a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices, largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, commonly known as the Buddha (Pāli/Sanskrit "the awakened one"). The Buddha lived and taught in the northeastern Indian subcontinent some time between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE.[2] He is recognized by Buddhists as an awakened or enlightened teacher who shared his insights to help sentient beings end suffering (or dukkha), achieve nirvana, and escape what is seen as a cycle of suffering and rebirth. Similarly, a number of Hindu traditions portray Buddha as the most recent (ninth) of ten principal avatars, known as the Daśāvatāra (Ten Incarnations of God).
I think you're unaware that Buddha was an Indian God born in India. Secondly all his teachings were the same as the Bhagwat Gita.
You said, "Christianity actually came after Islam...not before"..
I say in your words, "highly doubt a christian would agree to that"...
You say Buddha is the 9th incarnation of God, it's means currently Buddha is the last incarnation of God because the 10th incarnation is not coming yet.
My question, if he is Sidharta Gautama, why don't Hindus follow Buddhism ?.
Sorry if my question is inappropriate. I just curious. Muslims believe Muhammad SAW is the last prophet. That's why we follow Islam, not religions of prophets who came earlier.
The teachings of Buddhism are the same as the teachings of Hinduism. Buddha was a Hindu himself. His teaching of the 'law of karma' and 'cycle of birth and death - rebirth' and 'non-violence to living being' are the three primary beliefs of hinduism..
I forgot to mention that we donot believe in messengers of God. We believe that God himself comes down to this planet. So we take inspirations from each and every incarnation of his. Buddha came to unite all Hindus and to inculcate non-violence against humans as well as animals. We follow that too.
You said, "Christianity actually came after Islam...not before"..
I say in your words, "highly doubt a christian would agree to that"...
Islam mean submission, so a person who submits to the will of god is a Muslim, correct? And since most monotheistic religons believe that Adam (as) submitted to the will of god I guess they subconsciously agree that Adam (as) was a Muslim.
So how does reincarnation work? I've heard that disabled people were born disabled for living bad previous lives yet they you have no memory of your previous life? And also, if someone has merged with god, inessence aren't they worshipping themselves? And how do you worship according to your own rules?
Jzk
"Sri Krishna said: As a human being puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones."
For instance, being disabled reminds you that it is result of your own karma or deed. It makes perform good actions.
We merge into God when our soul becomes pure. As a devotee prays to his God, the God in turn prays to his devotee. This is the relationship of god and devotee in hinduism. Both depend on each other and love each other.
the reason why I said that a buddhist wouldnt agree is bc they dont even believe in a God that created this world they believe that the world was created by sentient beings. So a buddhist would not except Buddha as being a reincarnation of a God.
but even if Buddha is a reincarnation of God as brother ardianto has pointed out why are you not buddhist instead of hindu...doesnt add up
Christianity was not even a religion until the death of Jesus, Islam has been a religion even before the birth of Jesus so FAIL in trying to quote my words sir/ma'am lol.
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