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    Why can't atheists just be wrong? (OP)


    I've seen a lot of things written here about atheism and atheists. The more charitable items suggest that we're mentally or emotionally disturbed, and/or are suffering from some other form of dementia.

    Personally, I never really considered the possibility that you religious folk were somehow demented (with some specific exceptions), just mistaken. Why can't you return the favor?
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    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. -- Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by noraina View Post
    Funnily enough, I've never actually met another atheist since then. No idea if they're just not around or they like to keep a low profile.
    Well, since religion doesn't mean a lot to us, it doesn't take up a lot of our time or attention.

    But maybe that's just me.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    Technically Atheism is a religion, a religion is basically a way of life................. Right?

    Democracy is too. A religion.
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    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
    " Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "

    Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an
    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    I dress really funny. No hijab (as I've said before, I don't feel like being dragged by my neck behind a pickup truck), oversized t-shirt with a Hiyao Miyazaki character totem pole on it, Animal Planet hoodie (for modesty), baggy jeans, sandals, and right now, a lot of dog hair (we just went for a walk). I look less Muslim and more trailer park trash.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    "The danger arises from those for whom religion works all the time for everything, the ones who prefer prayers to antibiotics, for example. Even that is fine by me, so long as it is not forced on others. If you want prayers rather than antibiotics for your infection, not my problem; if you want prayers instead of antibiotics for a child's infection, even your own child, I'll make it my problem. And so on."

    ...lol I had a high horse a long time ago.

    I learned people should make the best of what they have.

    nothing can be changed from the outside looking in.

    everything has good and bad, the best you can do is clean up what you have..

    thankfully I learnt on my own life.


    I worked in a place that did not agree with me..

    in anger I worked and I kept working.

    and at the end of it it took three operations to put me back right.. almost.

    the fix was simple but overlooked.. the whole thing could have been avoided and different.

    it was just how it happened.

    I do not agree with a lot of what the pill has to offer.. but part of the industry is enough to justify it's need. ( not literally the pill )

    although prevention is better than cure.. it is very hard to see alternatives.

    I would rather not be an idiot pushed to the side while on my high horse..

    next time.

    so your correct in part..

    don't take advantage or become the things you despise.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    Technically Atheism is a religion, a religion is basically a way of life................. Right?

    Democracy is too. A religion.
    "‎If atheism is a religion, then off is a TV channel."

    "‎If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."

    "‎If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color."

    "‎If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease."

    You get the idea.

    “Atheism is more than just the knowledge that gods do not exist, and that religion is either a mistake or a fraud. Atheism is an attitude, a frame of mind that looks at the world objectively, fearlessly, always trying to understand all things as a part of nature.” Attributed to Carl Sagan.
    Last edited by jabeady; 09-23-2016 at 01:47 AM.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    athiesm is a label.

    ...who's advertising?


    I could be a scientist and still reconcile most of science with religion..

    it's a strange place..

    on the opposite end of the spectrum I could claim to be religious and misguide a people.

    you have an outward choice..

    but I have no idea what you actually do.


    but for the sake of argument you are not agnostic or sceptical or on any sort of fence about anything..

    so your an athiest.

    I always imagine the fence with spiky bits on top.. strange days.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A. View Post
    don't take advantage or become the things you despise.
    This is absolutely terrifying. I understood your entire post!

    How does that go? "Don't stare too long into the abyss, or the abyss will stare into you." - Nietzhe
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

    format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis View Post
    Hi Search!

    Big hug (if that's ok)!
    Sure, virtual hugs and all that.

    Well there you have it. Maybe prayer does work


    I am not as frequent as I used to be, but I still peek in from time to time.
    Hey, you don't even believe in magic or supernatural to be pulling a Houdini style hide-and-seek! So, let's make us all feel good by you considering Phelping at our IB pool more frequently!
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Little_Lion View Post
    I dress really funny. No hijab (as I've said before, I don't feel like being dragged by my neck behind a pickup truck), oversized t-shirt with a Hiyao Miyazaki character totem pole on it, Animal Planet hoodie (for modesty), baggy jeans, sandals, and right now, a lot of dog hair (we just went for a walk). I look less Muslim and more trailer park trash.
    I like trailer trash.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    I do understand, I do not like the confrontational type, either.

    As Muslims we believe and know Islam is true, therefore, logically, we know atheism IS wrong.

    Lets just tolerate our differences, right? As long as you do not attack me for my faith, I won't attack you either. (violence rarely solves anything, except in certain situations where Justice justifies it, ya know....)

    I dislike violence and stuff like that, lets just tolerate each other and respect eachother's differences. We can talk about theological topics, etc. in a respectful manner.

    may Allah guide all sincere good hearts to the Truth, Al-Islam. Ameen.

    And Allah knows best.
    Sounds good to me.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    This is absolutely terrifying. I understood your entire post!

    How does that go? "Don't stare too long into the abyss, or the abyss will stare into you." - Nietzhe

    ...Googles the quote and gets yoda references..

    we have come full circle.

    ...I doubt I have seen anything that has not been seen before.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    My own private theory is that Religion was the first science, the first attempt to explain the world...
    Religion has always been a tool to limit the ruler's power. If you want to be the king of France, on your knees now, and acknowledge that there are rules that you must obey, made by a master that is above you, because otherwise you will not be the new king. The man still had too much power, and it still went wrong, as they got sick and tired of him, and understandably ended up chopping off his head. That was not necessarily a bad idea, but then they decided to vote for a bunch of idiots instead, who do not even have to acknowledge that there are rules that are above them, and that they must obey, because that is what was going to solve the problem of having people around who wield too much power. Go figure!
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    My own private theory is that Religion was the first science, the first attempt to explain the world. For a time it worked, in that it could be adapted to explain varying circumstances. For some people it still works, to varying degrees.
    Would that make monotheism the original Theory of Everything? Instead of a pantheon where the world is divided into spheres of influence between multiple gods, you have a single god who is the prime mover and ultimate cause of everything.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    "‎If atheism is a religion, then off is a TV channel."
    "‎If atheism is a religion, then abstinence is a sexual position."
    "‎If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color."
    "‎If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease."
    You get the idea.
    This is not true.

    Religion says that the singular God is the only legitimate lawmaker, while atheists always end up claiming that a bunch of imbeciles sitting in a parliament would be an appropriate choice of lawmaker. In that sense, religion is the answer to the question who is the legitimate lawmaker?, and atheism is an alternative answer to the same question.

    The reason why religious people find atheists utmost detestable people, is because atheists ask their imbeciles to invent new laws, and then insist that we would also obey to these new inventions. We don't do that, because there is no compulsion in religion.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa View Post
    Would that make monotheism the original Theory of Everything? Instead of a pantheon where the world is divided into spheres of influence between multiple gods, you have a single god who is the prime mover and ultimate cause of everything.
    There are crazier theories/religions. Last time I described one or two of them the thread got locked, so...
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Reminder View Post
    What's your point? Atheism is a minority view? Islam & Christianity are the vast majority? Meh.

    Numbers, in this case, mean nothing. Right is right and wrong is wrong, regardless of the numbers involved.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    Numbers, in this case, mean nothing. Right is right and wrong is wrong, regardless of the numbers involved.
    When did I say the truth is based on how many people believe in something?

    My point is, Atheists think Atheism is way bigger than it truly is.

    In reality, Atheists tend to be less influential than us.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Reminder View Post
    When did I say the truth is based on how many people believe in something?

    My point is, Atheists think Atheism is way bigger than it truly is.

    In reality, Atheists tend to be less influential than us.
    I couldn't care less how "big" atheism is. Go find an atheist who does care, and stay away from me.
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    Re: Why can't atheists just be wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by jabeady View Post
    I couldn't care less how "big" atheism is. Go find an atheist who does care, and stay away from me.
    Once again, not the point.

    You thought it was a lot bigger.

    Until I informed you otherwise, that is.
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