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    The disciples believes about Jesus

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    How is it possible that all the historical things we can know about the disciples and Jesus are in accordance with Islam but the greatest thing that they preached was Jesus recurrection.

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    Re: The disciples believes about Jesus

    Salamualaikum.

    The majority of what the New Testament preaches comes from Matthew, mark, luke, John, Paul, etc.

    i dont know of any hadith regarding these people. Perhaps the Hadith that we have regarding Jesus’ followers are about other disciples.

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    Re: The disciples believes about Jesus

    By Abdullah Smith

    Let us briefly discuss the traditions of Jesus a.s. and Muhammad s.a.w. The Hadith are impeccably preserved and based on eye-witness accounts, but the Gospels are from hearsay accounts, derived from pagan sources and Hebrew sayings translated into Greek. The Jesus Seminar acknowledges that Jesus’ true sayings are probably lost forever as the result of translation.
    Jesus wrote nothing, so far as we know. We do not know for certain that Jesus could write; we are not even positive that he could read, in spite of suggestions in the gospels that he could. His first followers were technically illiterate, so writing did not become a part of the Christian movement until persons like Paul became involved. Orality and memory Jesus taught his followers orally. He was a traveling sage who traded in wisdom, the counterpart of the traveling merchant who traded in soft and hard goods. Jesus taught his disciples as he moved about, and his words were first passed around by word of mouth. The gospels portray Jesus as one who speaks, not as one who writes. Jesus' disciples also responded to his teaching orally: they repeated his most memorable words to one another and to outsiders. They, too, adapted Jesus' words to new situations, improvising and inventing as the occasion demanded. Transmitters of oral tradition do not ordinarily remember the exact wording of the saying or parable they are attempting to quote. They normally have no written records to which they can refer, and the versions they themselves had heard varied from occasion to occasion. (Robert W. Funk,The Five Gospels,p. 1)


    Hebrew and Aramaic were Semitic languages of Palestine, and Greek a language of the Roman Empire. The Hebrew/Greek translations of Jesus’ sayings from the Aramaic are not authentic, the Logia is perished forever. This is exactly what scholars are saying:

    Jesus taught his disciples as he moved about, and his words were first passed around by word of mouth. The gospels portray Jesus as one who speaks, not as one who writes. Jesus' native tongue was Aramaic. We do not know whether he could speak Hebrew as well. His words have been preserved only in Greek, the original language of all the surviving gospels. If Jesus could not speak Greek, we must conclude that his exact words have been lost forever. (ibid, p. 3)

    Some readers of this work will perhaps be surprised or embarrassed to learn that certain of Jesus’ sayings, parables, or predictions of His destiny were not expressed in the way we read them today, but were altered and adapted by those who transmitted them to us. (Maurice Bucaille,The Bible The Quran and Science,p. 88)

    The Gospels were written by people more interested in a living Lord present in their midst than in Jesus the historical man from Nazareth. Many scholars now hold that much of what is placed on the lips of Jesus in the Gospels was put there by Gospel writers (just as the writers of Hellenistic history placed speeches on the lips of famous persons). It is really the understanding that Gospels are faith documents that has led to what is called the “quest for the historical Jesus”. (Bonnie Thurston,Women in the New Testament, p. 63)

    The Gospels were composed after the early Christians had become divided into different factions. They were in fact composed to propagate the special teachings of the various schools and their authors showed no hesitation in tampering with the earlier documents and other traditional material regarding the life and teaching of Jesus to bring them in line with the views of their schools. (UlfatAziz-us-Samad,Islam and Christianity,p. 5)

    The New Testament contains unreliable surmises…Let me cite one fairly typical and significant example, from the opening page of the first chapter of Norman Perrin’s important and influential book, Rediscovering the Teaching of Jesus. Perrin gives his reasons why teaching ascribed to Jesus is likely to be rather a teaching that stems from the early Church, not from Jesus himself.......
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...vs_gospels.htm


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