Prove that the Qur'an is NOT the word of God.

Just like to point out that the Quran is not meant to be a scientific book. Otherwise dark matter may actually have been mentioned.
I have a very smart firend mashallah that has a theory in which dark matter is actually the realm of the Jinn. Honestly it is the best explanation I have heard so far. Of course if you want more detail you will have to ask him . He explained it in a much clearer way.

Hello j4763

format_quote Originally Posted by j4763

Simple fact is you cant prove its not. Just like you cant prove fairys dont exist, imo its a stupid thread, one cant prove something that one beleaves dosn't exist.

Then don't post in this thread and don't make stupid claims if you aren't capable of backing them up with evidence.

And shouldn't have to its up to the beleaver to show his evidence that the quran was the word of god, but they to cant provide evidence.

Is english not your native language? I told you that evidence for the Qur'an's divine authorship was discussed in this thread:
Prove that the Qur'an IS the word of God

Hello Nicola

One of the problems I've have ...is I know the Koran mentions some of the prophets of the Bible but that is about all it does mention...From what I also understand, it doesn't mention Deborah the very famous judge,prophess and miliarty leader?

No the Qur'an only mentions 25/124 000 prophets. And those 25 that it mentions are not all mentioned in the Bible. There is no Prophet Hud in the Bible, nor is there a Prophet Saalih in the Bible, nor is Khidr in the Bible. The Qur'an is not interested in retelling history, that is not its purpose. Its purpose is to guide human beings. This is very different from the Bible which seems to be very interested in recounting history, and seems very difficult to attribute some of its tales to God (see the language used in Ezekiel 23).

Does it mention the prophecies of world events..

Yes, you can read about them in the link I gave you before.

or just mentions their history and names?...

The Qur'an is not a history book. It, unlike the Bible, does not list pages of names. It is a book of guidance, and consequently, everytime a Prophet is mentioned they are mentioned for a reason, and their story is mentioned to learn a lesson from.

Like it doesn't even mention Daniel in the Koran...one of the greatest prophets God ever gave us

God has given us many great Prophets; but simply retelling history is of little benefit.

Another thing is...The Jewish prophets and their history was a known fact ...it wasn't a new revalation given to Mohammed.. people already knew about them...

Yet all of the stories concerning the Prophets were revealed to Prophet Muhammad pbuh when he lived amongst the pagans in Makkah, before he travelled to Madinah where there were Jewish tribes. In Makkah, there were no Jewish tribes that could have informed him about this. Moreover, many other stories in the Qur'an are not mentioned in the Bible at all, like that of Hud, Saalih, Khidr, Luqman, etc.

Prophets usually tells us of things to come..not what as already been.

See the book I linked you to.

Regards

this is silly. how can one prove or disprove? it is strictly a matter of belief.
obviously for the however-many muslims in the world it is the word of god.
this should be enough.

format_quote Originally Posted by anis_z24

Salam
actually it is proved.
why is it silly. can you explain what you mean by "obviously for the however-many muslims in the world it is the word of god.
this should be enough".

you can not objectively prove or disprove religious belief sytems like you prove things scientifically. so the very concept of proving that the quran is or is not the word of god is just plain silly.
i just meant that it is the word of god for the world's muslims and they don't need proof.

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format_quote Originally Posted by Pagal Kuri

true it is based on faith. but God has put signs that we may reflect upon(and to strengthen our faith);

Agreed.

Wow. So do I.

Asalam u Alikum

The biggest sign is this that u find the same Quran which was given to Prophet Muhamad (S.A.W) and u can find right now also as there are three Qurans of Hazarat Usman (R.A.T) period of Khilafat and there had been the C4 test confirming it as 1400 years old and if u find the todays Quran u will not find any change in the Book
why some one argue when he doesn't have enough knowledge about the Quran and what is it in

May Allah Guide us All to the Right Path
Which is Islam
Walikum as Salam

format_quote Originally Posted by wkas

The biggest sign is this that u find the same Quran which was given to Prophet Muhamad (S.A.W) and u can find right now also as there are three Qurans of Hazarat Usman (R.A.T) period of Khilafat and there had been the C4 test confirming it as 1400 years old and if u find the todays Quran u will not find any change in the Book

Where has anyone been allowed to do C4 tests, or any sort of destructive dating, on any of the surviving Qurans that allegedly date back from the time of the Rashidun?

You know that they are usually written in scripts that were said to be invented after the Rashidun?

Asalam u Alikum
well C4 is carbon 4 a method of finding the half life of the any atom
i know C4 is a kind of bomb but c4 or may be i am mistaking it is c14 but it is a kind test they do to find out the age of materials
the one Quran is in the london meusum
second is in the Masjid of Turkey
and other one is in the some central asian country i don't remember which country it was as they name a bit same

Walikum as Salam

format_quote Originally Posted by wkas

well C4 is carbon 4 a method of finding the half life of the any atom
i know C4 is a kind of bomb but c4 or may be i am mistaking it is c14 but it is a kind test they do to find out the age of materials

I think you are mistaking it for Carbon-14 dating.

the one Quran is in the london meusum
second is in the Masjid of Turkey
and other one is in the some central asian country i don't remember which country it was as they name a bit same

These are fragments as opposed to entire Qurans and the Central Asian one used to be in Saint Petersburg but now is in Tashkent (I think) which is in Uzbekistan.

Yep, just googled it, it is in Tashkent.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4581684.stm

I don't like to post websites that the Moderators find objectionable, on the other hand it is sometimes hard for me to work out what is likely to offend. I think this one is acceptable but if it is not, I apologise is advance

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/