Prove that the Qur'an is NOT the word of God. (OP)
Salam
I challenge anyone to prove that the Quran is not the word of God.
It is the word of God,There are numerous examples, but lets have who thinks that the Quran is not the word of God to prove it.
Say: "Nay! but I am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah (in Islam), and be not thou of the company of those who join gods with Allah.
Yes the First from his ummah!
And Moses (PBUH) first from his!
And Abraham and Adam?
But there you go - a foolish kafir might think that was a contradiction, just as a Muslim might quote the Bible thinking there was, but there is obviously a reason. After all the class of smart Muslims is not empty or even close to zero.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Rather, God knew in advance, and intended to send temporary laws for the early Muslims that would later be abrogated once the Muslim society became established.
Rather, God knew in advance, and intended to send temporary laws for the early Muslims that would later be abrogated once the Muslim society became established.
Concerning who was the first Muslim (I responded to this at least twice on the forum before - a rep-point for whoever can find it ), look at this verse which quotes what the magicians in the court of Pharoah said when they believed in the message of Moses: 26:51. Verily! We really hope that our Lord will forgive us our sins, as we are the first of the believers
Yet, they already knew that Musa and Harun were already believers. It shows that context is important.
That was the first point. The second point is that the phrase awalul mu'mineen can also be understood to mean the foremost amongst the believers, not necessarily the first amongst the believers.
Regards
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
The second point is that the phrase awalul mu'mineen can also be understood to mean the foremost amongst the believers, not necessarily the first amongst the believers.
These two phrases can be synonymous in English, too, so it's possible the translator intended the meaning 'foremost amongst the believers'.
Surah[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
Please explain this for me..Most the Jews even today say Jesus wasn't the Messiah and the Jews back then certainly didn't recognize him as the Messiah ...so why does this say: they claimed that they had killed the Messiah..
Please explain this for me..Most the Jews even today say Jesus wasn't the Messiah and the Jews back then certainly didn't recognize him as the Messiah ...so why does this say: they claimed that they had killed the Messiah..
Why does the Bible say in Matthew 27:29 and Mark 15:18 that they said, "Hail, King of the Jews" ? The same reason. They said it in "jest and mockery" as Ibn Kathir points out. Obviously they did not accept him as the messiah or the king of the Jews.
Hello Izmi
If it means the very Word of God, written verbatim by God Himself, then the Quran cannot be the Word of God.
This thread requires that one post evidence to back up their claims.
One more thing which is unbelievable from God is "abrogation": He corrects Himself.
Why does the Bible say in Matthew 27:29 and Mark 15:18 that they said, "Hail, King of the Jews" ? The same reason. They said it in "jest and mockery" as Ibn Kathir points out. Obviously they did not accept him as the messiah or the king of the Jews.
I know they did not accept him...so why would Muhammad say...they 'the Jews' claimed to have killed the Messiah...What Messiah, they are still awaiting their Messiah...
Jews never admitted that Jesus was Messiah not once and would not have killed him if they had believed that he was their long-awaited Messianic. The unbelieving Jews had Jesus killed because they believed he was a false Messiah..
I know they did not accept him...so why would Muhammad say...they 'the Jews' claimed to have killed the Messiah...What Messiah, they are still awaiting their Messiah...
Jews never admitted that Jesus was Messiah not once and would not have killed him if they had believed that he was their long-awaited Messianic. The unbelieving Jews had Jesus killed because they believed he was a false Messiah..
That is entirley different to what Mohammed says.
I think Ansar has answered your question, hasn't he? They were calling Jesus "the Messiah" in jest, in an ironic way, and Mohammad (pbuh) was simply quoting their words. Didn't the Romans crucify Jesus with the inscription IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM ? Did they really believe he was the King of the Jews? Did the Jews believe it? Of course not.
I think Ansar has answered your question, hasn't he? They were calling Jesus "the Messiah" in jest, in an ironic way, and Mohammad (pbuh) was simply quoting their words. Didn't the Romans crucify Jesus with the inscription IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM ? Did they really believe he was the King of the Jews? Did the Jews believe it? Of course not.
Peace
The religious leaders did not believe who he was but the Jewish people did believe he was their Messiah..
These people who cheered for Jesus understood exactly who he was..because of the the prophecy from Zachairah..
Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
Luke 19
35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.
37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Mohammeds scripture could be taken either way...I don't find it clear at all.
In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful Say; He is God one and only
God eternal, absolute
He begetteth not nor is he begotten
And there is no one like him
To my fellow non-muslims, may peace and blessings be upon you.
Greetings Nicole how are you? Waow a lot has been posted while I was away, anyways, I’ll begin by answering your question inshallah (God willing)
And would not have killed him if they had believed that he was their long-awaited Messianic. The unbelieving Jews had Jesus killed because they believed he was a false Messiah..
I believe you just answered your own question, the Jews rejected Jesus as being the messiah, that’s why they where uttering these words in mockery.
Ibn Kathir Tafsir:
The Jews ("We killed Al-Masih, `Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah,'') meaning, we killed the person who claimed to be the Messenger of Allah. The Jews only uttered these words in jest and mockery, just as the polytheists said (O you to whom the Dhikr (the Qur'an) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man!).
I hope that answered your question, now I hope to ask you some questions regarding Jesus = God, but lets deal with one at a time.
Why do you believe that the word “God” used in the phrase
John 1:1 “…and the Word was God” means “God” (the almighty) the definite form?
Let me make it clearer; the Greek word for ‘God’ used in the phrase “and the Word was with God,” is the definite form Hotheos, meaning ‘The God’.
However, in the second phrase “and the Word was God”, the Greek word used for ‘God’ is the indefinite form Tontheos, which means ‘a god’.
Consequently, John 1:1, should more accurately be translated, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
Therefore, if the Word was a ‘god’ in the literal sense, it would mean that there were two Gods and not one.
Let me explain “and the word was God” – which in simple terms is – Word = God (the definite form), hence lets substitute the word “God” for “Word” we get
“In the beginning was the God (word), and the GOD (word) was with GOD…”
You can see this indicates 2 Gods being present at the same time “God was with God”
However, in Biblical language, the term ‘god’ is used metaphorically to indicate power. For example, Paul referred to the devil as “god” in
2nd Corinthians 4:4,
“In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.”
Moses is also referred to as “god” in Exodus 7:1,
“And the Lord said unto Moses, ‘See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.”
Now if we translate the original meaning of the indefinite form for “God” which is “god” with a little “g”, which metaphorically indicates power, we get the following - Word = power (“god”)
Let’s substitute this in to the verse
“In the beginning was the power, and the power was with God…”
Now that’s clearer don’t you think?
However even if you disagree, then explain why, the same Greek word for “God” (the indefinite form) was used to identify the Devil and Moses?
If we agree with you, then we have to agree that the Devil = God and Moses = God.
By the way, why do you say Mohammad’s scripture, with all due respect didn’t you read my previous post - how it is impossible for Mohammad to have written such an immaculate book like the Quran. Let me know if you haven’t read that post ill try posting it again inshallah (God willing).
take care
"With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. Not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read). "
(Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #59)
no doubt u will see how accurate and reliable and unedited the noble Qur’ân is from others.
Muslim can be cursed but the Islam is not cursed at all
BCoz The unchanged Qur’ân is the based of Islam
The Noble Qur’ân is our base
Prophet Mohammad (pubh) is the last and the best of all
He is not for any nation but for the whole world
the Noble Qur’ân is 100% pure
the Noble Qur’ân is the best vision of GOD law
their is no Book of God come after The Noble Qur’ân and shall not come either
their is no prophet come after after the prophet Mohammad (pubh) and shall not come either.
Islam is the complete religion
God send various prophets with the updated vision of God law in order to established God law.
those who believe there is one God and stuck themselves with the old vision of
GOD law surely the poorest people on earth
Simply BCoz they sacrifice their life for nothing.........
The second point is that the phrase awalul mu'mineen can also be understood to mean the foremost amongst the believers, not necessarily the first amongst the believers.
These two phrases can be synonymous in English, too, so it's possible the translator intended the meaning 'foremost amongst the believers'.
Although as English accepts the idea the two phrases are synonymous it is hard to explain why they did not choose the second.
The other problem with Classical Arabic of course is that you can make it mean pretty much what you like. Especially if you have an answer in mind. Look at our "egg-shaped" planet.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
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