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The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

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    Lightbulb The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence (OP)


    From my past discussion with the Atheists I have come to the conclusion that the Holy Qur'an is undeniably the uncorrupted message of Allah. I am posting the following links for corroboration:

    1- General Evidence:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ction=m&mid=97


    2- Pharaoh's Body
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...16956&mid=3756


    3- Prophecies:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=216


    4- The expanding universe:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=2190


    5- The Roman army & the Dead Sea:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action...916956&mid=776


    6- The Periodic Law:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=1349


    7- The Diaspora:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ction=m&mid=27 "


    8- Knowing Allah:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=306

    9- Challenge to Atheism:
    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...ion=m&mid=1720

    10- Guarantee of the human life:

    http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=GN...tion=m&mid=131


    Saeed H H Alyousuf

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

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    Information overload, and you have moved away from specific issues. The sure sign that your on your back foot. Still, I consider the west very fortunate that when it educates it's children to the ways of science that we do not get out copies of the Quran and thankfully never will..................

    I am not against your religion or any other religion for that matter. I just object to such "scientific" claims that are false and have no basis.

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    False and have no basis? great claim to make with out producing any evidence and being unable to refute the points raised by Ansar Al-'Adl. I know of many scientists like Dr Maurice Bucaille, and recently a leading Thai scientist at a conference discussing the Quran and Science, who during it on the last day, came into Islam.

    Dr. Keith L. Moore a Professor of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, who is a non-muslim, has studied the Quran in depth and found no flaws at all scientifically. And he himself said he would have no problem at all accepting it as the Word of God. These are learned men root who have studied the Quran and I think would have a lot more knowledge than yourself. So if making your claims like it is "false" makes you feel more secure then go ahead. We have nothing to hide with Quran as we know it is the truth.

    http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/l...-say/ch13.html


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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    Assalaamu Alaikum

    I have one question, may be irrelevent but why we need to find out scientific miracles in Quran, isn't speech of Quran, enough for us?? Allah knows best.

    Waiting to hear from you.

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    Assalamo-Alaikum

    Yes it is more than enough, we know as muslims it is the truth, the sceintific findings just confirm what we already know ie it is the truth. But has been seen in the past it does attract people outside of Islam into it, once they have studied the facts and looked a them. It also shows the Quran can stand the test of time, even today it is showing miracles that where never known at the time of Prophet Muhammed (SWH).

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    format_quote Originally Posted by root
    Information overload, and you have moved away from specific issues.
    Clearly I have not. i have responded directly to every point you raised. And I want you to respond to my point on the majortiy of people having a weightless opinion on the Qur'an, since they know nothing about it.

    Still, I consider the west very fortunate that when it educates it's children to the ways of science that we do not get out copies of the Quran and thankfully never will..................
    Has anyone here ever advocated that? Such an action would ignore the function of the Qur'an. The function of the Qur'an is not as a scientific text book, or it could have began by listing various numerical constants etc. The Qur'an is a book of guidance from the Creator. And since it is from the Creator of the universe, His statements will alsways be in-line with the laws of science that He created.

    The Qur'an is not meant as a scientific textbook. It contains many scientific miracles, but it is meant as a book of guidance.

    I just object to such "scientific" claims that are false and have no basis.
    I would like to see some evidence of that first.

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    OK, we need to get some credability going:

    I said:

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    Originally Posted by root
    Hmmmm, very interesting:

    Your article was originally posted here: http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_...quran_p1_09.php

    But after being challenged it was removed.
    You said?

    No it was never part of that book. This is a claim of Ali Sina. He is wrong because the author of that article still proudly displays it here, where it always has been:
    http://-----------------------/scientific_19.html
    So let us find out which is the truth for I am claiming it was removed from the first site after it was challenged, you are saying that it was never on the site.
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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    What you linked to was not a website, but an online version of a different book.

    The article is still and always has been part of the Miracles of the Quran book, as you can see here:
    http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_o...an_p1_03.php#9

    To say that it was removed after being challenged is ridiculous, and I would like to see some evidence.

    I also await your response to the rest of my points.
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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    Actually, proving wether this was once told on a certain website, and wether or not is has been removed seems rather pointless and quite frankly does not intrest me. A more relevant question towards the conversation would be: If this was actually removed after being challenged, by what arguments was it challenged?
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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    Hi Steve

    Back pedal a little.....

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence

    Hi Steve

    Back pedal a little.....

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    I wasn't adressing you personnal Root, so please do not feel attacked
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    The scienticfic paper you seek is the Quran. Read it and understand it
    The Quran as many would agree is not scientific reference point. It is a book of faith or guidance. Besides it is not peer reviewed within the scientific community.

    Surely if God exists He is the creator of all things including science. Surly a creation must have a Creator.
    The paradox being who created the creator. True, Islam would respond by divine right that god was of no need to be created "he just came to be" which has a firmiliar ring to it from non religous areas too. Either way your "proof" does not exist in a real sense and thus a requirement of religion is "faith". At this point, one is free to believe and everyone has the right. That said, one does not have the right to claim a proof in God from a scientific point of view.
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    salam
    quran reveals many scientific facts, that proves that allah knows everythinh and human are discovering things in science that were revealed in the quran long ago
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    quran reveals many scientific facts, that proves that allah knows everythinh and human are discovering things in science that were revealed in the quran long ago
    Hmmm, wonder how you can explain the discovery of the speed of light for example. and then after you find out that it was NOT the Quran can you give me a credible answer as to why "scientific" facts are only randomly confirmed via the quran AFTER the scientific discovery is made and NEVER before............

    In fact don't bother.......

    I could make 500 scientific predictions and 200 years from now have them reviewed, randomly some will be spot on and others woefully astray. What does this imply for my predictions. Will I become subject to the discoverer of great scientific future discoveries. My top 5 predictions are:

    1. The universe is not a singular phenomenan.
    2. DNA never originated from Earth.
    3. life exists throughout the universe.
    4. Other planetory alien life forms watch eastenders regularly.
    5. There will be a super massive cataclysmic event that threatens all life.

    Judgement is based on the misses and not the hits eh!


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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    salam
    how do you exlplain the making of an embryo in the mother womb that was not known hundreads of years ago but now is known? surely people back then didn't know much about science. how do you explain the quran explaning the embryo when it wasn't known to man at that time?
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    salam
    how can you confirm scientific facts before discovering them? surely you can only confirm after the discovery
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    how do you exlplain the making of an embryo in the mother womb that was not known hundreads of years ago but now is known? surely people back then didn't know much about science. how do you explain the quran explaning the embryo when it wasn't known to man at that time?
    As I said before. Judge accuracy on the misses & not the hits!

    Everytime a scientific discovery is made, most religous books are scrutanised to try and make it bend to the discovery. When something is found a miracle is proclaimed. When not found, nobody ever finds out.

    I have looked into the area of the quran and scientific facts, I never found anything that smacked me in the face and said "how do you explain this rationally".

    Let's take clay for example. Dep impact revealed that a comet contains clay, I bet right now the Quran is being scoured word by word to find a "prediction" that clay is abundent in the universe, I don't mean the creation of man from clay I mean other universal bodies containing clay and I don't think I will need to wait that long but I might considering their are about 42,000 Hadiths currently.

    P.S before you open the champaigne (figure of speech) they also found complex amino acids and organic matter......
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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    salam
    here are some scientific facts from the quran
    Science : Finger tips can be used for Identification
    Qur'an : Does man think We cannot assemble his bones?
    Yes . . . We are able to put together in perfect
    order the very tip of his fingers.

    Science : Atoms are found in pairs
    Qur'an : Glory be to ALLAH, Who created in pairs all things
    that the earth produces, as well as their own( human )
    kind, and other things of which they have no knowledge.

    Science : Honey is healing for mankind
    Qur'an : Comes from their ( the bees ) belleis
    a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing
    for human being. Verily in this is a sign for people who reflect.

    Science : Separation of salt and sea water
    Qur'an : Verily He is the One Who has joined
    the two seas: this is palatable and sweet, and
    this is salty and bitter. And He made a barrier
    between the two of them, and a partition that is forbidden to be passed.

    Science : Milk as a wholesome meal
    Qur'an : And verily for you in the cattle there
    is an instructive sign ( lesson ). We give you to
    drink of that which is in their bellies from
    between excretions and blood, pure milk palatable to the drinkers.

    Science : Oceans have darkness under their surfaces
    Qur'an : Or as darkness in a vast, deep sea,
    there it covers waves, from above which are
    waves, from above which are clouds. Darkness
    on top of each other. If a man stretches out his
    hand, he can hardly see it. And whoever ALLAH
    does not make light for him, for him there is no light.

    Science : Iron and steel
    Qur'an : And We sent down Iron, in which is
    severe strength and benefits for mankind.
    Verily in this is a Sign for people who reflect.

    Science : Sun and Moon
    Qur'an : It is not permitted to the sun to catch
    up with the Moon, nor the night outstrip the Day. Each floats in an orbit.

    Science : Creation of living creatures from water
    Qur'an : We made from water every living thing.

    Science : Mountains have roots inside the earth
    Qur'an : Have We not made the earth as a
    wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs.

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    Re: GOD in the eyes of Science: Possibility or Necessity

    Finger Prints



    Dr. H.A. Hamed says that fingerprints are a register of the curves, which exist when the dermis adheres with the epidermis. These curves differ from one person to the other. Miraculously they are never identical in two persons even if they are twins. They appear in the 3rd month and remain the same till the person’s death, even if the skin is burned, new skin grows with the same fingerprints without the slightest alteration.

    What is really interesting is that some criminals in Chicago thought that they could change their fingerprints. So, they removed the skin from their fingertips and replaced it with some pieces from other parts of their bodies. But they were disappointed because the implanted parts grew with the same fingerprints without the slightest change. That is why they are used by the police as a definite proof of the identity of the criminal.

    Fingerprints are a palpable sign of God’s power. They: identify the person without the slightest mistake. So, they become the best proof and the truest witness in this world and in the next world.

    God in chapter 75, verses 3-4 states that it is in His power not only to gather a dead

    person’s bones, but He is able to reshape his finger prints

    أَيَحْسَبُ الْإِنسَانُ أَلَّن نَجْمَعَ عِظَامَهُ(3) بَلَى قَادِرِينَ عَلَى أَن نُّسَوِّيَ بَنَانَهُ(4)

    القيامة3-4

    What, does man reckon we shall not gather his bones?

    Yes indeed; we are able to shape again his fingers.

    Human development begins at fertilization when a sperm unites with an ovum to form a unicellular organism called a zygote.. This cell marks the beginnings of each of us as a unique individual. [80]



    The Holy Qur’an states:


    هَلْ أَتَى عَلَى الْإِنسَانِ حِينٌ مِّنَ الدَّهْرِ لَمْ يَكُن شَيْئاً مَّذْكُوراً(1) إِنَّا خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ أَمْشَاجٍ نَّبْتَلِيهِ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ سَمِيعاً بَصِيراً"
    " الإنسان " آيه2.

    Verily we created man from

    Mixture of germinated drop.



    Ibn Abbass (the Prophet’s cousin) and the best interpreter of the Holy Qur’an says that the “mixture of germinated drop” means the fluid of the man and that of the woman when they get mixed, the embryo goes from one stage of development to another.

    All ancient interpreters of the Holy Qur’an strictly followed the same idea simply because it is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an and the prophet’s sayings. It is recorded that one of the Jews asked the prophet:

    "فقال يا محمد مم يخلق الإنسان، قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم:
    يا يهودى، من كل يخلق، من نطفة الرجل ومن نطفة المرآة:
    مسند الإمام مسلم"
    O, Mohammed what is man created from? “ The prophet replied: “O Jew,

    (he is) created from both from the

    man’s Nutfah and from the woman’s Natfah”

    (Nutfah: a drop or part of fluid(

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    Re: The Holy Qur'an is the Irrefutable Evidence


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