Re: One Hundred Christian Proofs Of Islamic Falsehood (OP)
I am a Christian and I would like to participate. Since most of the arguments posted above are not real arguments at all and only pretend to be funny (number 21 for example) why don't we focus on the real arguments? Number 2 for instance is a good argument that most Christians agree with. Muhammad killed and killed many people. Jesus certainly didn't, not even to save his life. Who looks closer to our idea of a merciful God?
And yet America remains a rich and peaceful country. Whatever Mr Moore says.
Ummm, you are extrapolating to all of America from a small number of very bad neighborhoods. So to answer your question, in the vast majority of America, the vast majority of wives and daughters not only can but do walk the streets at 2 AM. In fact they often do so under the influence of alcohol which is proof of how safe America really is. Meanwhile the Saudi government insists, to the best of my knowledge and please correct me if I am wrong, that women need to be completely covered to protect against rape, and they may not travel without a Mahram anyway specifically to protect them. It looks to me as if Saudi Arabia has the problem - America does not need to adopt such extreme measures.
i think they should! take off ya glasse mate! the reason saudi has it because its best to be safe than sorry!
Anyone who thinks a Muslim woman is forced to cover should meet my daughter. Her husband has been trying for years to get her to stop wearing the Hijab in public. She does not wear it at home in the presence of family. Her reponse has always been she will die before she will let anybody force her to not wear it.
good on her! hope Allah keeeps up her strength! Ameen
wow he totally contradicted himself...maybe he needs to reread what he jus said!!! Funny to hear that from a guy who aught to know that the United States has one of the highest percentage of crime and rape!! Every minute, at least 5 woman are raped in America. So who has the problem?
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*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Is there any proof of that ["There are many religions, but only ONE TRUE religion, namely, Christianity."] in the bible?
Yes, I believe the Bible is full of such proof. And of course you would disagree and contend that the Quran is full of proof that Islam is the one true religion.
There are obviously many "religions," contrary to your original post in which you said there in only ONE religion. After all, this portion of the forum is "Comparative religion" in which we are comparing religions, plural.
There are many books written by Christians that prove the validity of Christianity, such as Josh McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict. I don't want to complicate a simple post with extensive quotes from such books.
But let me say this. ALL religions may be divided into two categories, with Christianity being the only one in one category and ALL others, including Islam, being in the other category. The two categories are this:
1. Religions that consist of man working his way to some goal, whether to appease or please a god, or to go to a heaven or to escape or satisfy karma. But the bottom line is man doing works or good deeds to make himself acceptable to some higher power or to reach some goal, like nirvana, outside himself.
2. Christianity, which consists of GOD performing the work of redemption and reaching down to man to give him as a free gift the salvation that he needs and without which he is totally without hope. The recipient of that salvation enters into a personal relationship with God, by grace through faith, which explains why some have actually called this not a religion but a relationship.
So, it's man working or God doing the work that man could never do. See the distinction?
Anyone who thinks a Muslim woman is forced to cover should meet my daughter. Her husband has been trying for years to get her to stop wearing the Hijab in public. She does not wear it at home in the presence of family. Her reponse has always been she will die before she will let anybody force her to not wear it.
My mom has said the same thing to me. What if the family i go to doesnt want me to wear it. My answer was the same. I would die before I took it off.
I wouldnt disobey Allah for someone else, be it even my husband..
That person would be my enemy for even thinking of havin me take it off..
I have not read all of the postings in this thread; but this is what I am believing:
After Jesus Ressurection, He told of Revelations to Saint John the Evangelist. (it has to be careful not to confuse with Saint John the Baptist because many so-called christians, but misinformed by Rosicrucians, were confused between the two Saints) Jesus told Saint John the Evangelist what He had forseen. Saint John asked Jesus if it was already too late to prevent, and that if it was possible could that be done. Then Jesus Prophesised also that Saint John would one day long away be the Greatest teacher on the planet. Then after six hundred years was Mohammed, and through Arch Angel Gabriel He received Qur'an. Qur'an was the instrument to prevent Revelations. Hadiths the instrument to be along side just it case it turned out Revelations became necessary. Now it is that because of the Fall of the Islamic Empire, as a single Governing force all over Earth, Revelations is needed among Surah.
Liken to a large reconstruction of Jesus life, crucifixion, and Ressurection, has Islam ever been.
Originally Posted by Phil12123
Could you be more specific? You're saying most Christians don't do what their religion tells them to do... like what?
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well for one thing your not supposed to eat pork and woman r supposed to be covered.
What? Christians are not forbidden to eat pork, Jews are. And Christians are not ordered to be covered, Muslims are (I guess). Do you have your religions mixed up, or what?
And you told someone else in one of your posts to get educated. No offense but it looks like you could use some of that.
I have not read all of the postings in this thread; but this is what I am believing:
After Jesus Ressurection, He told of Revelations to Saint John the Evangelist. (it has to be careful not to confuse with Saint John the Baptist because many so-called christians, but misinformed by Rosicrucians, were confused between the two Saints) Jesus told Saint John the Evangelist what He had forseen. Saint John asked Jesus if it was already too late to prevent, and that if it was possible could that be done. Then Jesus Prophesised also that Saint John would one day long away be the Greatest teacher on the planet. Then after six hundred years was Mohammed, and through Arch Angel Gabriel He received Qur'an. Qur'an was the instrument to prevent Revelations. Hadiths the instrument to be along side just it case it turned out Revelations became necessary. Now it is that because of the Fall of the Islamic Empire, as a single Governing force all over Earth, Revelations is needed among Surah.
Liken to a large reconstruction of Jesus life, crucifixion, and Ressurection, has Islam ever been.
What? Where did you come up with all that [removed] No offense but if that is what you are believing, you are believing a bunch of lies. The only thing in that paragraph that is true is the distinction between John the Baptist and John the Evangelist (or more properly, the Apostle).
Peace
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2. Christianity, which consists of GOD performing the work of redemption and reaching down to man to give him as a free gift the salvation that he needs and without which he is totally without hope. The recipient of that salvation enters into a personal relationship with God, by grace through faith, which explains why some have actually called this not a religion but a relationship.
How do you know that god is doing any of this?
How do you know that words in this context like 'grace' and 'redemption' aren't just examples of empty jargon created by theologians? What do you actually mean by 'grace'?
In which country there are many many rapes, many thefts, many illegal activties - prostitution, bars, sex shops, gamblings, sex films, nude - beaches, etc.,. .... all nonsense ........
sure that modern country would be christian country
Judgemental no? This can happen in many countries and not necessarily in 'Christian countries'
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
What? Christians are not forbidden to eat pork, Jews are. And Christians are not ordered to be covered, Muslims are (I guess). Do you have your religions mixed up, or what?
And you told someone else in one of your posts to get educated. No offense but it looks like you could use some of that.
Peace
Im sorry but u are wrong. If u dont believe me go read it urself. we'll see whos wrong. You obviously have not read it.
"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." [1 Corinthians 11:5-10]
In the book of Leviticus, Chapter 11, v.7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: ' You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you'. This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14;7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork.
Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say that they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul said this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations. He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard from Jesus. In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: ' Do not think that I have come to abolish the law...' Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandments. One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork.
Peace
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*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Originally Posted by Phil12123
What? Christians are not forbidden to eat pork, Jews are. And Christians are not ordered to be covered, Muslims are (I guess). Do you have your religions mixed up, or what?
And you told someone else in one of your posts to get educated. No offense but it looks like you could use some of that.
Peace
Im sorry but u are wrong. If u dont believe me go read it urself. we'll see whos wrong. You obviously have not read it.
"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." [1 Corinthians 11:5-10]
In the book of Leviticus, Chapter 11, v.7, it is recorded that God declares the pig to be unclean for believers. Then, in verse 8, God says: ' You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you'. This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14;7-8. Then, in Isaiah 65:2-4, and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork.
Some people are aware of this prohibition from God, but they say that they can eat pork because St. Paul said that all food is clean in his letter to the Romans 14:20. St. Paul said this because he believed (as he wrote in his letter to the Ephesians 2:14-15) that Jesus had abolished the Law with all its commandments and regulations. He seems, however, to have misunderstood what he heard from Jesus. In the Gospel According to Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary, as follows: ' Do not think that I have come to abolish the law...' Jesus then went on in that passage (in verse 19) to denounce anyone who would break the smallest commandment and teach others likewise. He also praised his true followers who will practice and teach even the smallest commandments. One of the commandments, as we have seen, is to stay away from pork.
Peace
Phil12123 think pretty much u got THE perfect answer on that question and diskussion...lol...
Tayyaba wat a beuatiful answer.. I couldnt have answered better my self.
Not sure your analogy applies. "Freedom of expression" should permit people to say whatever they want, with certain well recognized exceptions (you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater, etc.). Using drugs is not saying anything; it is conduct that can be prohibited for the good of the offender and the society he is a member of.
Every country is sovereign. It is true, therefore, that any country can make laws prohibiting the preaching of the Christian Gospel, as Saudi Arabia has done, for example. Christians within such country and subject to its jurisdiction must obey its laws or be prepared to face the consequences. A similar situation existed when Peter was preaching and the Jews ordered him to stop. His response? It is recorded in Acts 5:29 - - But Peter and the apostles replied, "We must obey God rather than men." The consequence? The high priest and council did not like that and "took counsel to slay them" (verse 33). But a very wise Pharisee named Gamaliel advised against that, saying,
38. "And so my advice is, leave these men alone. If what they teach and do is merely on their own, it will soon be overthrown.
39. But if it is of God, you will not be able to stop them, lest you find yourselves fighting even against God.''
40. The Council accepted his advice, called in the apostles, had them beaten, and then told them never again to speak in the name of Jesus, and finally let them go.
41. They left the Council chamber rejoicing that God had counted them worthy to suffer dishonor for his name.
42. And every day, in the Temple and in their home Bible classes, they continued to teach and preach that Jesus is the Messiah.
Brother of the book, Im saying is that the state will always look after its people. the example of drugs was to show you my idea and not the literal example. Plus if your assuming here that christianity is the truth and thus posting this verse from the bible wont do much in your argument because its just a narrow subjective reference. I can post the same argument from the quran and say we have to preach everywhere, it does not prove anything
So, what you're saying, if I understand your post, is that Islam needs the laws and acts of an islamic state "for a muslim community to stand tall"? Islam needs laws to hold it up, or the people would not follow it? So what you have is forced believers, making people believe by force of the laws, etc.? You need compulsion among Muslims or Islam would fall?
Well if your saying the goverment will let everything lose then things will get out of control. Its like saying , why is the police putting radars on the roads they should trust the people and let them drive as they like. But brother its always the state mission to prevent collateral damage. thus the same idea applies here. The protection of the socio-economic factor of the country.
Because the God of the Old Testament is not saying it.
Read verse : Deuteronomy 13:6-18
from the old testament this proves that its written there brother
Please explain. The "no compulsion" verse applies to non-Muslims? Meaning what? Non-Muslims are under no compulsion to follow Islam? But they can't follow their own religion, without being killed?
Meaning people of the book dont have to follow yes , but the second part is the one I find you strange addressing , since when are people of the book compulsed to follow islam ??? we have a term called "zhimmi" coming from the arabic root word "zhima" which means also responsiblity. Non muslims living under as islamic state are referd to as "zhimmi" as they are the resposiblities of the muslims. So if such term exists in the quran and the suna then how are you saying that non muslims must convert???
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the reason saudi has it because its best to be safe than sorry!
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