Christianity or Islam?

Not many men have...itz seemz to be a gr8 idea to start...but a lot of work which i wouldnt bother with...coz if i had to please one woman...i certaintly woodnt want to please more....I AM A WOMAN BY THE WAY LOL!!

I find it funny when people say that islam allows four wives.. yet the nations of the west are looking forward to let a man marry a man not just that.. subhan Allaah, their even going to the extreme where they can adopt a child within their gay marriage, audhubillah (i seek refuge in Allaah.)

the nations of the west are looking forward to let a man marry a man

It is called equality. A concept that is above many.

format_quote Originally Posted by Tayyaba

Indeed it is above many, cuz its disgusting. Unecessary freedom.

If you don't like gay marrages, then don't get one.
There seam to be a lot that concider "Unecessary Freedom".
Freedom of Speach.
Freedom of religion.
Freedom of Press.
To name a few.

So who believez in the Trinity and wants to explain it??? Thank you!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Turin Turambar

Dear shorouk,

Why don't you explain me why my arguments don't make any sense? Thanks.

Salam to everybody

The debate about chrisitanity and Muslims, I beleive that we should not oppose Turin or say that whatever he say is nonsense or does not make sense. We are all here to learn. I think it is advisable if one could give the the facts and references to debate the questions post by the non muslims, i think it would be more healthier rather than humiliating or embarassing them.

We are not here to make war.


Wassalam

hmmm. i'm quite tired actually of all of this islam vs christianity kind of debate. what purpose does it serve? to the muslims, islam is the ultimate choice. the same can be said for the christians, christianity is their ultimate choice..... so what's the point? the matters of faith is up to the individual to decide. most important things are to be sensitive to each other and have tolerances on their differences.......

Learning is the KEY!! Itz how we move on and gather info!! I wanna know different things so I know what Im talkn about or what others are talkn about when they are discussing thingz!! U dont have to follow a thread if u dont want to....Itz for me more about learning about Christianity and more so Islam!! Coz different pointz can be raized!!

format_quote Originally Posted by ZOREENA

So who believez in the Trinity and wants to explain it??? Thank you!!

The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but the existance of the Trinity certainly is. Most of the posts on this web site related to the Bible assert that it is not trustworthy in its current form. Obviously as a Christian, I don't support that viewpoint. Here's a quote from the Quran indicating that God felt the Jewish and Christian scriptures were trustworthy when the Quran was given.

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger and the Book which He revealed before; and whoever disbelieves in Allah and His angels and His messengers and the last day, he indeed strays off into a remote error.

I believe in the Trinity, and the Bible contains references to it. Explaining it is something all together different. However here's a feeble attempt. The God of the universe can't be contained in a temple, and if man sees Him in His full Glory He will die.

1 Kings 8:27 "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!

That means if He appears to man, He must appear in in another form.

Judges 13:6 So the woman came and told her husband, saying, "A Man of God came to me, and His countenance was like the countenance of the Angel of God, very awesome; but I did not ask Him where He was from, and He did not tell me His name. 7 "And He said to me, 'Behold, you shall conceive and bear a son. Now drink no wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean, for the child shall be a Nazirite to God from the womb to the day of his death.' " 8 Then Manoah prayed to the LORD, and said, "O my Lord, please let the Man of God whom You sent come to us again and teach us what we shall do for the child who will be born." 9 And God listened to the voice of Manoah, and the Angel of God came to the woman again as she was sitting in the field; but Manoah her husband was not with her. 10 Then the woman ran in haste and told her husband, and said to him, "Look, the Man who came to me the other day has just now appeared to me!" 11 So Manoah arose and followed his wife. When he came to the Man, he said to Him, "Are You the Man who spoke to this woman?" And He said, "I am." 12 Manoah said, "Now let Your words come to pass! What will be the boy's rule of life, and his work?" 13 So the Angel of the LORD said to Manoah, "Of all that I said to the woman let her be careful.
14 "She may not eat anything that comes from the vine, nor may she drink wine or similar drink, nor eat anything unclean. All that I commanded her let her observe." 15 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "Please let us detain You, and we will prepare a young goat for You." 16 And the Angel of the LORD said to Manoah, "Though you detain Me, I will not eat your food. But if you offer a burnt offering, you must offer it to the LORD. ' (For Manoah did not know He was the Angel of the LORD.) 17 Then Manoah said to the Angel of the LORD, "What is Your name, that when Your words come to pass we may honor You?" 18 And the Angel of the LORD said to him, "Why do you ask My name, seeing it is wonderful?" 19 So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it upon the rock to the LORD. And He did a wondrous thing while Manoah and his wife looked on-- 20 it happened as the flame went up toward heaven from the altar-- the Angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar! When Manoah and his wife saw this, they fell on their faces to the ground. 21 When the Angel of the LORD appeared no more to Manoah and his wife, then Manoah knew that He was the Angel of the LORD. 22 And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, because we have seen God!" 23 But his wife said to him, "If the LORD had desired to kill us, He would not have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering from our hands, nor would He have shown us all these things, nor would He have told us such things as these at this time."

Here's some verses from Isaiah which clearly show a trinity.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them,
They stand up together. 16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

In Isaiah 48:12, the speaker is the eternal "First and Last". In verse 13 He is the creator. In verse 16, He was sent by "the Lord God and His Spirit".

I'm sure I could find more.

Typical. When christians look at muslims, the first thing thay talk about is female oppression. Take afghanistan for example, never mind the carpet bombing, nevr mind the drug dealing, never mind the infrastructure or should i say its absense, never mind the mortality rates for children, never mind the lack of education and lack of water and all the necessities for a good life. The first thing a christian country imposes on a muslim country once it has forcibly imposed itself upon it is womens rights.
Oh by the way, ive had people trying to force me into christianity by throwing water at me (forced babptism) whilst walking down the road. Whilst in the underground on my way to college ive had people looking straight at me and doing the sign of the cross at me. I have never in my life, imposed my beliefs on anybody who did not want to listen.

format_quote Originally Posted by gamsta3

Typical. When christians look at muslims, the first thing thay talk about is female oppression. Take afghanistan for example, never mind the carpet bombing, nevr mind the drug dealing, never mind the infrastructure or should i say its absense, never mind the mortality rates for children, never mind the lack of education and lack of water and all the necessities for a good life. The first thing a christian country imposes on a muslim country once it has forcibly imposed itself upon it is womens rights.
Oh by the way, ive had people trying to force me into christianity by throwing water at me (forced babptism) whilst walking down the road. Whilst in the underground on my way to college ive had people looking straight at me and doing the sign of the cross at me. I have never in my life, imposed my beliefs on anybody who did not want to listen.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no more Christian countries. What country are you referring to?