Re: One Hundred Christian Proofs Of Islamic Falsehood (OP)
I am a Christian and I would like to participate. Since most of the arguments posted above are not real arguments at all and only pretend to be funny (number 21 for example) why don't we focus on the real arguments? Number 2 for instance is a good argument that most Christians agree with. Muhammad killed and killed many people. Jesus certainly didn't, not even to save his life. Who looks closer to our idea of a merciful God?
Your example is good but flawed. You say "Book of Moses, Gospel of Jesus, and The Qur'an" and that is the Trilogy you want me to follow.
The problem is that the equivalent Trilogy would be "The Lord of the Rings I, The Lord of the Rings II and Friday the 13th"
It is not a Trilogy, you see? The first and the second part match but the third has nothing to do with the previous two.
I will stick to the movies I like.
Peace be with you,
HOLY SCRIPTURES (The Books of Allah)
Allah, Glory to be Him, provided every one of His prophets with books which He revealed to them. Those books or scriptures contained the tenets and fundamentals of religion as well as the instructions and commandments of Allah conveyed to various nations through His Messengers. The holy books were meant to be records of religion so that the various people and nations of the world might refer to them to know the ordinances and laws revealed by Allah and comply with them.
On the one hand, we are required to believe in all revealed books at large. On the other, we are required to believe in certain books which Allah told us He had revealed, namely:
1. The Qur'an, revealed to Muhammad;
2. The Gospel, revealed to Jesus;
3. The Psalms, revealed to David;
4. The Torah, revealed to Moses;
5. The Tablets, of Ibrahim (i.e., Abraham) and Moses (May peace and blessing of Allah be upon them).
Although books revealed to prophets before Muhammad (the last Messenger of Allah) were just temporary revelations each addressed to a particular tribe or nation, yet it is incumbent upon by Muslims to believe in them in general, and in the Qur'an on detailed basis in particular. The Qur'an is the final and comprehensive Scripture. It is the only book of Allah which has remained free from distortion and change, and has been transmitted to us whole in the most reliable ways and in its original text-a feature not enjoyed by any of the earlier books of revelation.
To be a believer of GOD we must accpet all his Prophets, all his creations, all his Books.
If you fail to recognise one thing from GOD, then you are not a beliver. It is all or nothing. You can not pick and choose what you like and don't like. You either take ALL he gave you or you might as well deny him becasue you did not accept everything he gave you.
My question:
Which books do you beleive were sent to us through GOD?
1. The Qur'an, revealed to Muhammad;
2. The Gospel, revealed to Jesus;
3. The Psalms, revealed to David;
4. The Torah, revealed to Moses;
5. The Tablets, of Ibrahim (i.e., Abraham) and Moses (May peace and blessing of Allah be upon them).
Your example is good but flawed. You say "Book of Moses, Gospel of Jesus, and The Qur'an" and that is the Trilogy you want me to follow.
The problem is that the equivalent Trilogy would be "The Lord of the Rings I, The Lord of the Rings II and Friday the 13th"
It is not a Trilogy, you see? The first and the second part match but the third has nothing to do with the previous two.
I will stick to the movies I like.
I'd rather not see it that way. It's more like One God (Adam's New Hope), Trinity (Paul strikes back), One God (Return of Muhammad). So which book does not belong in this Trilogy? We all knew who the antagonist of the story here...
Jesus gave us a new commandment at the last supper, ‘love one another as I have loved you, by this all men will know that you are my disciples’
Muslims and Christians seem to compete against each other, but what is getting in the way of Muslims and Christians loving each other, we both recognise Jesus.
In the spirit of seeking greater interfaith friendships
Eric
Interfaith--What? Can the light and the dark be present continually and unite as one. God forbid. Thats why the Muslims think we Christians are crazy, God is a God of Love in context. Study your Bible brother, a workman that needeth not to be a shamed.
Right! Can Jesus' message of One God and Paul's doctrine of Trinity be present continually and unite as one? God forbid!
Right again! Study your Bible, brother...
You do NOT understand because you do NOT have the SPIRIT of the TRUE and LIVING GOD. First comes death, then the JUDGMENT!! Woe unto you for following the idol of a non-exsitent God. I am praying for you, that you will come to the cross of repentance. I have done my job in warning you..so be it!!
Interfaith--What? Can the light and the dark be present continually and unite as one. God forbid. Thats why the Muslims think we Christians are crazy, God is a God of Love in context.
I understand that Christianity can never bring a soul closer to his Lord. How often does darkness or falsehood plays a role in unifying people?
As the Glorious Qur'an says: 17:81And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
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God is a God of Love in context.
Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala is The Most Merciful The Most Loving and The Most Gracious and The Most Caring in every context
at the same time HIS punishments are the Most severe, so that no one can ever say that my punishment is worst than the punishment of Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'alaa
mind you..im not contradicting myself
its one of the Atrributes of Allah that He Avenges. Al-Muntaqim
The Avenger, The One who victoriously prevails over His enemies and punishes them for their sins. It may mean the One who destroys them.
HE IS OUR MASTER AND HE IS THE OWNER OF ALL POWER AND GLORY.
and please dont reply me saying that God in the Bible does not punish!
I can let you know what your bible says about the severe punishment from your Lord..
this ain't fun...we need some more christians in the discussion!
and please dont reply me saying that God in the Bible does not punish!
I can let you know what your bible says about the severe punishment from your Lord..
this ain't fun...we need some more christians in the discussion!
Thats what I mean by context, he will punish them that come against him and deny him. Many of you tell me you have peace. You say I am deceived yet you are at war, check your hearts and see!!!!! How can a mortal man be at peace and war. (This is a faithful saying, from my God)
Thats Many of you tell me you have peace. You say I am deceived yet you are at war, check your hearts and see!!!!! How can a mortal man be at peace and war. (This is a faithful saying, from my God)
err.. ...im sorry my english is bad...can you rephrase that and explain what do you precisely mean by saying that
u seem to know the art of generalization pretty well there...
'we all muslims are at war' ...so therefore we are evil
it seems you are into philosophy of mortal men...
i dunno what you meant by all of those nice sayings up there..but let me tell you this....the Mujahideen are in peace at all times...they dont care about the luxuries of life..so is every single believer(because he has trust in Allah)
the people who are frustrated the most are the disbelievers, people who have a lot of fame and money, arrogant and ignorant people..and their likes
and dont judge the level of tranquility believers are in! please..thats none of your business
we know how we feel when we stand infront of our Creator 5 times a day - just because He asked us to...its like a bliss...a true feeling of peace and tranquility when we put our foreheads down in front of the Greatest Master -Allah, to Whom all Praise is due.
Mashallh CoolJannah...everything u said was so true...
we thank Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala for making us Muslims and true believers
..really unfortunate are those who are deprived of the true understanding of Islam. what a loss!
Interfaith--What? Can the light and the dark be present continually and unite as one. God forbid.
Is Christianity one body?
The things that separate Christianity are the same as the things that separate people of all faiths, we have a lack of love for each other and we would rather compete, and through competition comes conflict.
We must learn to celebrate all Gods creation, we must learn to love all Gods creation, and he created people with the freedom to be atheists, Muslims, Hindu and even Christians.
The things that separate Christianity are the same as the things that separate people of all faiths, we have a lack of love for each other and we would rather compete, and through competition comes conflict.
We must learn to celebrate all Gods creation, we must learn to love all Gods creation, and he created people with the freedom to be atheists, Muslims, Hindu and even Christians.
In the spirit of seeking interfaith relations,
Eric
I agree, the Bible says we are ONE BODY IN CHRIST, I am not fighting,,but where do you get this from the Bible. Please use scripture. You are giving Christianity and God a bad name. If you believe God wants you to be friends with other religions and pagans fine. I do agree about hating the sin but loving the sinner. Also that we are one body (IN) key word) Christ. We speak of course to other religions to witness for Christ. (ie.) when Christ ate with sinners and publicans only to spread his word and help them. He never took part in other religions..never...
I look on my faith as a gift from God, I find a great sense of peace through Christ.
When I talk with many Muslims they seem to have this same sense that their faith is from God, and God chooses whom he wills, and they find peace.
The same God created all people and so we have a great responsibility for each other as children of the same God.
If Muslims choose to stay Muslims then I can still love them for who they are, I do not have to change them. The greatest gift a Muslim can give me is freedom so that I may strive towards a greater relationship with God and my neighbours through the Catholic faith.
If I desire this freedom from Muslims then I should reciprocate.
In the spirit of striving for greater interfaith friendships
I look on my faith as a gift from God, I find a great sense of peace through Christ.
When I talk with many Muslims they seem to have this same sense that their faith is from God, and God chooses whom he wills, and they find peace.
The same God created all people and so we have a great responsibility for each other as children of the same God.
If Muslims choose to stay Muslims then I can still love them for who they are, I do not have to change them. The greatest gift a Muslim can give me is freedom so that I may strive towards a greater relationship with God and my neighbours through the Catholic faith.
If I desire this freedom from Muslims then I should reciprocate.
In the spirit of striving for greater interfaith friendships
Eric
what a nice reply
001:2 Praise be to Allah,
cherisher,
and Sustainer
of the worlds....
The sooner Muslims recognize this truth and the fact that their Golden Era will never be back, the better.
For all of us.
Salam
Thats what you think, but the Islamic civilization rose before at odds that are unimaginable. Why is it called the golden era, becasue the world never saw any goodness of that scale before. if it worked before why not again.
Why do you think it won't come back. We know that it will rise again and only a matter of patients and hard work.
I posted the answer previously. Islam was good for a period of history in which military power was very important, because Islam encourages military activities. That is why Muslims call themselves "soldiers for Allah"
But today military activities aren't important. Science, technology and economic development are. And for those things Islam is not good. See how many scientists or businessmen in the world are Muslims. You don't need soldiers anymore, but that is what Islam is producing. So the result is that Muslims countries are falling behind in everything. Don't believe me, check the Internet. More "soldiers for Allah" means more poverty in Muslim countries.
Asalam u Alikum and Peace
Turin, Eric,Seven and others would u like to answer me
Well what is Truth
One which remains Truth for ever
or ur answer..........
The Question is on what basis you are making comments
i mean is there one Bible in the world or u know ur self how many are in this world right now if u call bible truth than why and what happen to the truth that it split up in so many bibles
on the other hand there is only one Quran in the whole world
someone in the earlier post said that in Christianity everyone is free so thats what freedom to spoil the Truth what u say is Truth
u know what we Belief, why Allah sent the prophets after each other
Well Allah wants to keep the Truth of him in this world so he sent the prophets when prophets died (not included Issa (Jesus)) so people made changes in the holy scripts and books so there was no Truth left in the world so time by time the Prophets were sent to teach people about the Truth and When Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) came there was no Truth then Allah sent him with Quran and Quran was sent for not to be Changed thats why Quran is the Same what it was 1427years ago and will not be changed till the end of this world this is also the eg for bing The Last Prophet from Allah and no one will come after him.
Please Think with open mind and find what is Truth
Again Do have the same Bible what Jesus gave to u
if not then Think What u had done with the Truth
I posted the answer previously. Islam was good for a period of history in which military power was very important, because Islam encourages military activities. That is why Muslims call themselves "soldiers for Allah"
But today military activities aren't important. Science, technology and economic development are. And for those things Islam is not good. See how many scientists or businessmen in the world are Muslims. You don't need soldiers anymore, but that is what Islam is producing. So the result is that Muslims countries are falling behind in everything. Don't believe me, check the Internet. More "soldiers for Allah" means more poverty in Muslim countries.
I have seen a lot of things posted about islam. but this by far is the most ill-logical ......"Islam was good for a period of time" ....Where do u get your information???? I can't believe your logic here, and the sad thing is "you actually believe it"
Check the internet???
How about we continue to read the Quran....and live by the quran/sunnah...and you keep check on the internet... ......we all will be smiling, while you are checking....and bring proof of your claims...
peace to u
001:2 Praise be to Allah,
cherisher,
and Sustainer
of the worlds....
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...im sorry my english is bad...can you rephrase that and explain what do you precisely mean by saying that
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