If I am standing in front of the IBM headquarters building, and a fellow employee unknowingly asked me, "Is this your building, do you own this building?",
and then I replied, "This building is NOT MY OWN, but it belongs to the ONE WHO EMPLOYS ME",
this would clarify to the person asking that I AM NOT THE OWNER, I am just one of the workers. I do not own the building (Universe), the one I work for owns it.
Did Jesus (p) make such statements regarding his status, the words, the will and the power he used?
WORDS
"Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's Who sent me." [John 14:24]
"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father Who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak." [John 12:49]
WILL
"Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him Who sent me, and to accomplish His work.'" [John 4:34]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent me." [John 6:38]
"...saying, 'Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done.'" [Luke 22:42]
POWER
"I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father Who sent me." [John 5:30]
"I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one Who sent him." [John 13:16]
"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you'. If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" [John 14:28]
"Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.'" [John 8:42]
"To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." [Matthew 20:23]
KNOWLEDGE
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only." [Matthew 24:36]
"So Jesus answered them, 'My teaching is not mine, but His Who sent me.'" [John 7:16]
STATUS
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]
"And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape." [John 5:37]
"And Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'" [Mark 10:18]
"And I do not seek my own glory; there is One Who seeks and judges." [John 8:50]
Some Christians (though not all) claim that Jesus (p) implied that he was God from the above verses - we see clearly that Jesus (p) denied being God. The God of Abraham in the Old Testament stated "I am God" over 200 times, yet (oddly) Jesus (p) never uttered those three words once in the Gospel. So we see from the many verses above that the House did not belong to Jesus (p), it belonged to the One Who sent him.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
Thank You Ahmad, Well Said, Wa Asalamalakum Warahmitallahhi Wabarakatu, And Im Happy Allah Has Guided You To The Right Path !
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
[QUOTE=PrIM3;215786]well actually Jesus vaguely said He was God and strongly said that He was Lord.
these verses from John chapter 8 shows Jesus calling Himself God vaguely
verse 23-24 --- You are from below, I am from above, you are of this world: I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.
QUOTE]
Bismillah
Peace.
All of the proof that you have provided can be refuted solely by using your own text. I can also provide many proofs that Jesus (peace be upon him) denied being G-d , the MOST HIGH. All that you listed were implicit statements, that do not prove He (peace be upon him) was G-d, the MOST HIGH. Verses used out of context can mean anything one wants it to mean.
John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me. speaks of the relationship between Jesus and the Father.
Son of God and the Son of Man- shows the relationship- between God the Father and between humans.
Son of God- means that he is close to God but not in literal terms as physical son of God.
Son of man- means friend of man... He is close to man... and of course he is man
John 1:1- In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God always had a voice- God was never not God. God's word is so close to God and can be or is close to us.
The Word is God the Word ( Jesus Christ ) is perfect can do what ever God does. So God incarnated His word is Jesus Christ ( Annointed Savior )
Jesus uses the same words as God Almighty when God says " I Am who I Am " Jesus states in John 8:24, John 8:28, John 9:58.. He states I am...
Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?
human logic is something that can be explained in easy ways like math. But God is God logic that I can't explain...
Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?
you right who can comprehend GOD(swt), he is great , the one , the almighty...
but i cant agree about jesus(pbh) being a son or anything else of GOD...
God has no sons, and was not begotten....
still to this day no one an prove this......and the king james version, is phony and even christian scholars said that and said it had been tampered with..
Last edited by abdul Majid; 03-20-2006 at 10:14 PM.
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
you right who can comprehend GOD(swt), he is great , the one , the almighty...
but i cant agree about jesus(pbh) being a son or anything else of GOD...
God has no sons, and was not begotten....
still to this day no one an prove this......and the king james version, is phony and even christian scholars said that and said it had been tampered with..
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
John 10:38- I am in the Father and the Father is in me. speaks of the relationship between Jesus and the Father.
Son of God and the Son of Man- shows the relationship- between God the Father and between humans.
Son of God- means that he is close to God but not in literal terms as physical son of God.
Son of man- means friend of man... He is close to man... and of course he is man
John 1:1- In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
God always had a voice- God was never not God. God's word is so close to God and can be or is close to us.
The Word is God the Word ( Jesus Christ ) is perfect can do what ever God does. So God incarnated His word is Jesus Christ ( Annointed Savior )
Jesus uses the same words as God Almighty when God says " I Am who I Am " Jesus states in John 8:24, John 8:28, John 9:58.. He states I am...
Now I can't explain the trinity- how 3 people can be 1 being. but who is able to began to comprehend God?
human logic is something that can be explained in easy ways like math. But God is God logic that I can't explain...
In the name of Allah
Peace.
I would like to first like to remind you:
"PROVE ALL THINGS!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
Also, the Bible also says, "G-d is not the author of confusion."
In your dismissing of the trinity, is not practical, nor is it Biblical.
I will intend to use only Biblical verses within context of their meaning, Allah willing.
We must first kep in mind that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not the "only" son of G-d. It is used numerous times in the Biblical scripture.
Luke 3:36
“Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God.”
Isaiah 62:8
refers to the entire house of Israel as being, ‘Sons of God’.
In explaining the trinity, many I have come across you mathematical analogies:
1x1x1=1
Ice, water, steam.
These analogies are inadequate, because the doctrine is a man-made philosophy.
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Mr 13:32]
"For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but
the will of Him who sent Me." [John 6:38]
We can see that that if Jesus (peace be upon him) was indeed G-d incarnate, He would indeed have the characteristics of G-d. He would not lack anything. His power would be derived from himself and not from His Father.
Referring to "I am".
John 8:58
“I tell you the truth’, Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was, I am!’”
“I am” is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.
According to the Bible, we are all Children of G-d. However, I am told he was the only "Begotten" son of G-d. Which is fabrication, because the Bible says that another was also begotten.
I notice that many religions believe in a G-s incarnate. And defend it extensively, with weak arguments. However, the Glorious Qur'an protects Muslims from this concept in Surah 112.
Also, remember that G-d cannot be tempted by evil.
"Let no one say when he is tempted: 'I am being tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone" (James 1:13).
Jesus (peace be upon him) was indeed tempted.
"For because he himself has suffered and has been tempted, he is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted" (Hebrews 2:18).
Mark simply states that Jesus was tempted by Satan (1:13) but Matthew (4:1-11) and Luke (4:1-13) elaborate the story. It is claimed that during Jesus' alleged forty days' sojourn in the desert, following his baptism by John, Satan tempted him with promises of an earthly kingdom if Jesus would only worship him.
Also, the Bible also says, "G-d is not the author of confusion."
1 corinthians 3:2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed you are still not ready. you are still worldly.
Hebrew 5:12- In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. you need milk, not solid food! anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righeousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themeselves to distinguish good from evil... then later in 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementaryteachings about Christ and go on to maturity.
1Peter 2:2- like new born babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation. now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
according to these verses it is not God being confusing but it is us.. the people who haven't matured..
it is not God being confusing but it is us.. the people who haven't matured..
i could agree to that..
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
it is not God being confusing but it is us.. the people who haven't matured..
i could agree to that..
"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
then you must agree with the scripture then because that is what scripture say...
that it takes spiritual growth to understand.. the more your spirit grows the more you start to understand...
then do you understand what I was saying when I said that?...
yea i think that basically God does not confuse or make it hard, rather it is the people who confuse them selves?? correct??
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"1. Qull huwa Allahu ahad Allahu alssamad Lam yalid walam yoolad Walam yakun lahu kufuwan ahad"
Say: He is Allah the One and Only Allah, the Eternal Absolute He begetteth not nor is He begotten And there is none like unto Him.
(112)
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