Creationists dealt a blow

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Originally Posted by root
abiogenesis still remains a strong contender.

ajazz - Abiogenesis remains a hypothesis, meaning it is the working assumption for scientists researching how life began.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

First, peeps here claim evolution is only a theory and not fact. Then theories as not being theories but an hypothosis. Typical of creationists in attempting to blow smoke screens. Abigenesis is a fact, abiogenesis is a working branch of science that states at one time life did not exist on the earth and then it did, simple. HOW that life began has a few working hypotheticals within the theory, creaation from clay, panspermia (which has a seperate theory also and I support) and the main abiogenesis hypothetesis of chemical origin from the young earth primordial soup.

ajazz - The Qur'an Leads the Way to Science

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can you please provide a scientific peer reviewed paper that directly cites the Quran as the source for any scientific discovery please, prity please

format_quote Originally Posted by ajazz

so you mean to say apes are yet to evolve into humans and take couple of millions years ??????????

as such you have invalidated the Darwin's theory of evolution

congratulation !!!!!


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I suspect that you are being deliberately obtuse here.

format_quote Originally Posted by ajazz

" The Scandinavian scientist Søren Løvtrup makes the following remark in his book Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth:

I suppose that nobody will deny that it is a great misfortune if an entire branch of science becomes addicted to a false theory. But this is what has happened in biology: for a long time now people discuss evolutionary problems in a peculiar 'Darwinian' vocabulary - 'adaptation', 'selection pressure', 'natural selection', etc. - thereby believing that they contribute to the explanation of natural events. They do not … I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science"

Hmmm... let's see what else the aforementioned Søren Løvtrup might have had to say in the same book;

"Indeed, the nature and the wealth of the corroborating evidence are such that the theory on the reality of evolution turns out to be one of the best substantiated theories in biology, perhaps in the natural sciences."

Oh, dear. Oddly, I don't see that in the article. I wonder why?

get rational get intelligent

To 'get' either you need to examine both sides of every story and treat biased/agenda-loaded/unqualified sources with the skepticism they (and this one in particular) usually deserve. There's a scholarly and agenda-free view HERE for anyone with a genuine interest in obtaining one, which takes account of trivial things such as 'context'. It also makes clear Løvtrup's objectives in writing the book. You will see that the distinction between "Darwinism" and "evolution" is fundamental here. Korthof and Løvtrup understand that difference. Yahya does not.

format_quote Originally Posted by root

can you please provide a scientific peer reviewed paper that directly cites the Quran as the source for any scientific discovery please, prity please

Keith L. Moore

"Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists "for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy."
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"At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:

"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]"


E. Marshall Johnson


"Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA."



"...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

"As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..."



T.V.N. Persaud

"Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada."


"It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...

We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...

I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements.

Joe Leigh Simpson


Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA.



He is the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Public Recognition Award in 1992. Like many others, Professor Simpson was taken by surprise when he discovered that the Qur'an and Hadith contain verses related to his specialised field of study. When he met with Sheikh Abdul-Majeed A.Zindani, he insisted on verifying the text presented to him from the Qur'an and Hadith.


"... these Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God."


Gerald C. Goeringer

Professor and Co-ordinator of Medical Embryology in the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington DC, USA.


"...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature."



Alfred Kroner

Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.



Professor Kroner is one of the world's most famous geologists, becoming well known among his colleague scientists for his criticisms against the theories of some of the major scientists in his field. Sheikh cAbdul-Majeed A. Zindani met with him and presented several Qur'anic verses and Hadith which he studied and commented upon








"Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

"Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago."





Yushidi Kusan

Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.


I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe


Tejatat Tejasen

Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand.


"In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.

Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.

I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...

The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim."


http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...cientists.html





Verily! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and in the alternation of night and day, and the ships which sail through the sea with that which is of use to mankind, and the water (rain) which Allah sends down from the sky and makes the earth alive therewith after its death, and the moving (living) creatures of all kinds that He has scattered therein, and in the veering of winds and clouds which are held between the sky and the earth, are indeed Ayat (proofs, evidences, signs, etc.) for people of understanding.
( Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #164)


O mankind! Verily, there has come to you a convincing proof (Prophet Muhammad SAW) from your Lord, and We sent down to you a manifest light (this Quran).
( An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #174)



And those who have no knowledge say: "Why does not Allah speak to us (face to face) or why does not a sign come to us?" So said the people before them words of similar import. Their hearts are alike, We have indeed made plain the signs for people who believe with certainty.
( Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #118)






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format_quote Originally Posted by ajazz

Assalamalikum!
One question.

If we evolved from apes why do we still have apes????????

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Think of a tree trunk. If there are leaves, why do we still have a trunk.
this is just anology and can be picked apart. Point is ... two leaves next to each other may not be on the same branch.

To all others

EXACTLY!

If it started from a big bang .... it was God's firecracker
If it was single celled slime .... Slime is God's soup (as in Primordial soup that is)
If it was Adom ... Well, God did that too ... and as a point of fact I AM WRONG ...

AB

format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman

Then Allaah Ceates Man via special Creation, a species similar to the humanoid apes, but superior to them in a number of ways. Man dominates over the neanderthals, and due to survival of the fittest they go extinct.

Sure, you could argue that man must have been 'the fittest' in some way or another otherwise the Neanderthal's would still be here and not us, but from what we know of the Neanderthals such differences in anything other than physical appearances were slight. For all we know it may simply have been that homo sapiens was the more aggressive species - a hypothesis that subsequent history goes a long way to support IMHO.

But what difference required that 'special' creation?

LOL . I should read the post more carefully.


"The Qur'an Leads the Way to Science"


What so scary about this statement ... Is that I as a Christian can say the exact same thing a about the Bible.

Let the rational side of God be handled by mathematicians’. Any enlightened person, be it a scientist or philosopher is wise. A theologian can understand math as easily as a scientist can a philosophers’ writings. A Scientist shows us the physical laws of God. The priest leads the way in prayer.

... You have been told ...

Peace and praise for all of you.
AB

Hi Mustafa,

format_quote Originally Posted by MustafaMc

My opinion on evolution is that it is purely a belief system based on the book by Charles Darwin, On the Origin of the Species , to explain away the existence of the Creator,
Actually evolution is a scientific theory that says nothing about a creator. As a matter of fact to my knowledge the majority of evolutionary scientists are christian i dont know how many are islamic.

the One God - Allah. In stark contrast, creationism is also a belief system based on the Bible, the Holy Quran and other religous texts to point to the very existence of the Creator and to establish our relationship with Him. Is it any more wonderous as to why one would work so hard to disprove something as to why others try to prove it?
Science just tries to discover the truth and the how and why.

You may say that creationism is unscientifically simplistic and that those things that can't be logically explained are attributed to a man-made concept of God.
Creationism isnt a science, a belief yes but not a science.
My premise is that atheists start with the basic belief that there is no God and that they look for evidence to disprove His existence.
True atheism is a belief and I would say that it depends on the atheist. Some like Dawkins is out there doing as you say. Others just look at things from their point of view and rather look for proof of no god, they find no proof of a god.
As a cotton breeder/geneticist working to develop genetically engineered cotton varieties, I have some understanding of genetical and biological principles.
You breed cotton? Cool. I actually grew up around many a cotten field.
My limited understanding of these principles dictates that I believe in a Creator.
How so?
My amazement at the miracle of life makes it impossible for me to believe that life even began by mere chance at the most basic single cell level, much less that "evolution" explains how this supposed primal single cell "evolved" into the highest life form, humankind, by random chance mutations and by natural selection without a Higher Power guiding the process.
Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of life but rather what happened after life was created or formed. All evo pretty much does is explain the variety of life and how it came to be.
With recent advances in knowledge of biology and genetics, man still cannot recreate under the most ideal conditions even a single celled organism from elemental components (carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.)
True but that doesnt mean its impossible. It took us a good long time to learn how to fly. Creating life from jsut chemicals is a little tough.

For me, it makes no difference whether Allah literally fashioned the first man, Adam, from clay and breathed life into him, or whether this was a symbolic parable that Allah used to explain a more complicated process that He manipulated and continues to guide.
Cool, thats the view that many evo scientists hold.

I just can't understand how evolution without a guiding Higher Power can explain the origin of species through random genetic mutations and survival of the fittest.
I would recomend a website by berkley and of course wiki is a good resource.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
Fossil records of so-called bridging species means absolutely nothing regarding the existence of God.
True.I believe in God and atheists disbelieve in Him and neither can convicingly scientifically "prove" his point to the other because evolution and creation are beliefs that have no proof either way.
True there is no proof but proof is only for math and beer.
However there is a tremendous amount of evidence for evolution plus it has been observed in plant, bacteria, and other life forms.

I enjoyed reading your posts and you seemed pretty clear in your belief.
I hope you check the berkley link I provided and maybe check wiki as well.
Have a good day.

format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah

But no scientists claim that humans evolved from apes... they claim humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor... that was my point...

Yes, this is my understanding as well. This common ancestor can also be assumed to have had less survival capabilty than either apes or humans because this species apparently no longer exists. From my recollection scientists are still looking for that "missing link". Taken even further back, evolutionists claim that all life can ultimately be traced back through the phylogenetic tree to a common ancestor. Since the single cell bacteria is the lowest life form and since evolution is progressive and not regressive (leads to better, more fit species), then that seminal common ancestor is assumed to be a "miraculous" single-cell organism.

This theory (not fact) of evolution is different from the demonstrated, proven facts of natural genetic changes within species that occur through various means such as various mutations, genetic recombinations, natural selection, population isolation, etc, etc, etc. These changes over enough time may lead to new sexually incompatibile, albeit related species such as horses, donkeys, and zebras. One might could go so far as to even say apes and humans have evolved from a common ancestor.

I personally don't even care if all life ultimately traces back to a single living cell. My contention is that any life would not exist anywhere without a Creator and the theorized evolutionary changes to generate new orders, families, genera and species of living organisms from the "common ancestor" would not have happened without "Intelligent Design", or the One God directing the process.

How the Creator created the different life forms, and ultimately humans, does not affect my faith in Him. However, I choose to believe the Quran that Allah created the first man, Adam, from clay and breathed life into him. Quran 15:28-29 Remember when your Rabb said to the angels: "I am about to
create a man from sounding clay, black mud moulded into shape; when I complete his moulding and breath into him of My spirit, kneel down and prostrate before him." and Quran 17:61 Recall the occasion when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam." They all prostrated except Iblees (Shaitan), who replied: "Should I prostrate to the one whom You have created from clay?"

Whether this creation was literally or symbolically what happened is completely irrelevant. I believe that most people of faith would agree that Creationists were not dealt a blow as the beginning of this thread indicated.

format_quote Originally Posted by DAWUD_adnan

its the THEORY of evolution not FACT....... ow,and evolutionism is racist ...lol

True evo is a theory and not a fact, there are very few scientific facts.
Theory of gravity, theory of motion are also theories.
And evo is not racists. People do however try to use evo as a justifcation for there racists beliefs and actions.

format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah

But no scientists claim that humans evolved from apes... they claim humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor... that was my point...

Or have I still misunderstood your point?

Many scientists claim that the human ape evolved from other apes.
Humans are classified as apes in biology.

Now we did not evolve from other apes that are around today but we do have a common ancestor with them.

format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2

I enjoyed reading your posts and you seemed pretty clear in your belief.
I hope you check the berkley link I provided and maybe check wiki as well.
Have a good day.

Thanks, I stand corrected. God willing, I will check out the site.

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format_quote Originally Posted by AB517

LOL . I should read the post more carefully.


"The Qur'an Leads the Way to Science"


What so scary about this statement ... Is that I as a Christian can say the exact same thing a about the Bible.

Let the rational side of God be handled by mathematicians’. Any enlightened person, be it a scientist or philosopher is wise. A theologian can understand math as easily as a scientist can a philosophers’ writings. A Scientist shows us the physical laws of God. The priest leads the way in prayer.

... You have been told ...

Peace and praise for all of you.
AB

please visit the link to read the full article or at least read this post till the end


Dr. Jeffrey Lang (muslim revert) is an Associate Professor of Mathematics at the University of Kansas, one of the biggest universities in the United States.


http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/78/


Al-Khwarizmi ; A Forgotten Mathematician

This 5 page paper considers the background and contributions of Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, better known in the west as the founder of algorithms. The paper looks at the wide range of contributions made by this Muslim genius from the ninth century CE and the way they have been key to later mathematical and scientific developments of later years. The bibliography cites 3 sources.

http://www.termpapers-on-file.com/ca...s/136-000.html


Mediaeval Muslims made stunning math breakthrough

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Magnificently sophisticated geometric patterns in mediaeval Islamic architecture indicate their designers achieved a mathematical breakthrough 500 years earlier than Western scholars, scientists said on Thursday.

"Oh, it's absolutely stunning," Lu said in an interview. "They made tilings that reflect mathematics that were so sophisticated that we didn't figure it out until the last 20 or 30 years."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1789584/posts


How Islamic inventors changed the world

From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and identifies the men of genius behind them


Arab named Khalid boiled the berries to make the first coffee. Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from Ethiopia to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake all night to pray on special occasions


ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser, which enabled us to see. The first person to realise that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the 10th-century Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham.He invented the first pin-hole camera


A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped from the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts.

Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap which we still use today.


Shampoo was introduced to England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on Brighton seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.

Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in their boiling points, was invented around the year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan,


The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear motion and is central to much of the machinery in the modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the most important mechanical inventions in the history of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation.



The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans,

Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as those devised in the 10th century by a Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine scissors for eye surgery and many of the 200 instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon.

Muslim medic named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims doctors also invented anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes in a technique still used today.



The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used to grind corn and draw up water for irrigation.

The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur but was devised in the Muslim world and brought to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to Istanbul in 1724


fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands or clothes.

The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably Indian in origin but the style of the numerals is Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim mathematicians


The work of Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of modern cryptology.


modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money having to be transported across dangerous terrain.


By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The scholar al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.


Arabs who developed the idea of the garden as a place of beauty and meditation.


http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle350594.ece



Repaying the West's Debt to Islam
By Olga Pikovskaya

Science today wouldn't be as advanced without so many discoveries from the Muslim world. It's time to reach across today's hurtful barriers



Unless you're a history buff, it can be hard to believe how pivotal early Islamic civilization was in laying the foundations of modern science, mathematics,

contributions of early Islamic people are far too numerous to list.


In medicine, for example, Muslim scientists developed a hollow needle for removing cataracts from the eye by suction -- around 1,000 years ago. And mathematics was a Muslim forte, as seen in the creation of algebra and the Arabic number system that we use today.



List of Muslim mathematicians


Abu'l-Hasan al-Uqlidisi-10th century wrote about decimal notation

Ghiyath al-Kashi(1380 – 1429)-His calculation of pi is said to be more accurate than any before Ludolph van Ceulen

Abu Kamil,(c.850-930) - wrote on algebra[

Abu Nasr Mansur(c. 970 - 1036) - (Formulated a Law of sines)

Biruni-Contributions to Combinatorics, Rule of three, and geometry.

Lotfi Askar Zadeh, father of Fuzzy logic

Oveyssi-Shahmaghsoudi Sufi order, Mathematician, Physicist, inventor of Muon Radiation Therapy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mathematicians

this list by no means ends here
please visit the links


Say: "Behold all that is in the heavens and the earth," but neither Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) nor warners benefit those who believe not.
(Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #101


This (Quran) is a Message for mankind (and a clear proof against them), in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is the only One Ilah (God - Allah) - (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and that men of understanding may take heed.
( Ibrahim, Chapter #14, Verse #52)


Verily, those who disbelieved, and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers.
( Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #91)



...you have been warned...




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format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2

Theory of gravity, theory of motion are also theories.

LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!!!

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LAW OF GRAVITY, LAW OF MOTION



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:enough!: :enough!: :enough!: :enough!: :enough!: :enough!: :enough!: :enough!:

Wow, calm down dude. You're going to pop a blood vessel.

Hey,

You changed my quotes, that aint right dude. I did not cap it, it makes it seem I yelled it and am making some kind of point you want.

Being muslem and math/science guy is way good. Some of the best math guys are of many religions and that is great. I just mean let preachers peach and math guys add. God speaks many lang. math is clearly one of them.