How many 'Sons' does God have?

**Umm Safiya** · 04-22-2006

How many 'Sons' does God have?

Many people tell us "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God. How can you say that Jesus is not God's only begotten son when Jesus says it so clearly in black and white in the Bible?" Well, first of all, as seen in the previous section, we first need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking. Let us see how they understood this proclamation.

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?

Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.
Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.
Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).
Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.
Common people (you and me) are the sons of God:
- "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.
- "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.
- "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.
- "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15.
- "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.
- "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38:7.
- "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 2:1.
- "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD," Job 1:6.
- "when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," Genesis 6:4.
- "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" Genesis 6:2

As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.

Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God?
Read Psalms 2:7 : "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee"

Indeed, the Jews are even referred to as much more than this in the Bible, and this is indeed the very trait which Jesus (pbuh) held against them. When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..." John 10:34:

(he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High..") As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same. Are we beginning to see what drove the most learned men of the Anglican Church to recognize the truth? But let us move on.

Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading "Jesus Christ," says:

"During his earthly life Jesus was addressed as rabbi and was regarded as a prophet. Some of his words, too, place him in the category of sage. A title of respect for a rabbi would be "my Lord." Already before Easter his followers, impressed by his authority, would mean something more than usual when they addressed him as "my Lord.".... it is unlikely that the title "Son of David" was ascribed to him or accepted by him during his earthly ministry. "Son of God," in former times a title of the Hebrew kings (Psalms 2:7), was first adopted in the post-Easter church as an equivalent of Messiah and had no metaphysical connotations (Romans 1:4). Jesus was conscious of a unique filial relationship with God, but it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself" .

There seems to be only two places in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) refers to himself as "son of God." They are in John chapters 5 and 11. Hastings in "The dictionary of the Bible" says: "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." Regardless, we have already seen what is meant by this innocent title. However, Jesus is referred to as the "son of Man" (literally: "Human being") 81 times in the books of the Bible. In the Gospel of Barnabas, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) knew that mankind would make him a god after his departure and severely cautioned his followers from having anything to do with such people.

Jesus was not the son of a human man (according to both the Bible and the Qur'an). However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why?. It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

What was he trying to tell us by constantly repeating and emphasizing to us throughout the New Testament "I am a human being," "I am a human being," "I am a human being"?. What had he foreseen? Think about it!.

Do Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus? The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible (see below). As we are beginning to see, one of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation. We shall see more and more examples of this throughout this book.

Islam teaches that Jesus (pbuh) was a human being, not a God. Jesus (peace be upon him) continually emphasized this to his followers throughout his mission. The Gospel of Barnabas also affirms this fact. Once again, Grolier's encyclopedia says:

"...Most problematical of all is the title "Son of Man." This is the only title used repeatedly by Jesus as a self-designation, and there is no clear evidence that it was used as a title of majesty by the post-Easter church. Hence it is held by many to be authentic, since it passes the criterion of dissimilarity."

Written by : Misha'al ibn Abdullah, 'What Did Jesus Really Say?'

**IbnAbdulHakim** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Aalimah

God has NO begotten sons

"He begot none, nor was he begotten"

Qur'an, Surah 112

we kno that but like i sed thats what HE thinks, that god has sons

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Aalimah

HE Created us...we weren't ""born"" from him...

Poetic license, dear. Born and Created are relatives

Ninth Scribe

**mizan_aliashraf** · 05-03-2006

Peace to those who follow righteous guidance
Well its a joke isnt it? one comes out every other day. (the copy of the bible, i mean)

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-03-2006

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

Peace:

Actually, no He isn't, as posted above. There is another begotten son. Psalms 2:7: "...Thou, (O David) art my son, this day have I (God) begotten thee.

Ummm, David was also 40 years old at the time. :confused:

Peace,
Hana
:sis:

You're sharp to have caught that... the Bene Elohim (Sons of God=Wise Council) were all acknowledged at 40 years of age. Abu Musab Zarqawi, I believe, will be coming of age this October.

The confusion is caused by tribal conditions - not all tribes used the same words. What means 'honor' on one side of the river means 'payment' on the other. Language is just like that. We have more fun decyphering the differences between British English and American English, for example:

A British man walks into an American bar and asks the bartender for a fag.

In British English, this means he wants a cigarette. In American English this means he wants a male lover.

I don't know how the title Bene Elohim became misunderstood, but I suspect some 'mystic' types read more into the records than what was recorded. Some of them even wrote about how the Bene Elohim were Angels ~ and I almost fell out of my chair laughing! The human condition... it can be so amusing... at times.

Ninth Scribe

**Alphaseed** · 05-05-2006

1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 John 2;

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

***Hana*** · 05-05-2006

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

The confusion is caused by tribal conditions - not all tribes used the same words. What means 'honor' on one side of the river means 'payment' on the other. Language is just like that.

And that explains perfectly the problem of translated translations of translated translations of the books of the Bible over the past 2000 years. Unfortunately, none of the original documents remain of the Zubur, Torah or Injeel. Many liberties, both intentional and unintentional, were taken when translating/copying manuscripts over the years. It is well documented by both Biblical and Christian scholars that many copyists manipulated, added and altered words/verses to have them say what was in their "group's" best interest. It is also the reason the Bible will continue to be edited and revamped as more documents/manuscripts are found.

According to Dr. Raymond Brown, a very well-known and respected Scholar, "...John 3:16 and 1:18 use the Greek word MONOGENES in Greek. This ordinarily means "of a single kind". As a result, "unique" is a good translation. The reason you sometimes find a translation that renders the word as "only begotten" has to do with an ancient heresy within the church. In response to the Arian claim that Jesus was made but not begotten, Jerome (4th century) translated the Greek term MONOGENES into Latin as UNIGENITUS ("only begotten")..."

The above paragraph tells us that the innovated idea of Jesus, pbuh, being the "only begotten son" of the Father was created in the 4th century. It was added by Jerome into the Latin Bible to refute the claims made by Bishop Arius and others that the Father alone was God; and Jesus, pbuh, was created and NOT begotten. Because Jesus, pbuh, was born to the virgin Mary He was unique, but it was never said He was the MOST unique. His creation was unique, but so was Adam's creation unique....born of no mother or father and also considered a "son of God".

Using the word "unique" when translating many versions of the bible (at least into English), is becoming more common and accepted and brings that verse a little closer to the truth.

Wasalam and Peace,
Hana

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by Alphaseed

1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain

1 John 2;

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Thank you for bringing up the Book of John... another fine example to shed some much needed light on this issue.

John 1:11 and 12:

He came unto his own, but his own received him not. But for those who received him,
to them he gave the means to become the Sons of God.

Jesus understood this title. John understood this title. In fact, a good majority of the Holy Men (fathers) of the times... understood this title!
Also, contemplate more on the origin of the word 'Christ' and maybe you'll see a small shaft of light to explain the confusions.

My 'companion' knows these records quite well, so be sure you're up to the challenge

Ninth Scribe

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by Hana_Aku

Salam Alaikum and Peace:

The above paragraph tells us that the innovated idea of Jesus, pbuh, being the "only begotten son" of the Father was created in the 4th century. It was added by Jerome into the Latin Bible to refute the claims made by Bishop Arius and others that the Father alone was God; and Jesus, pbuh, was created and NOT begotten. Because Jesus, pbuh, was born to the virgin Mary He was unique, but it was never said He was the MOST unique. His creation was unique, but so was Adam's creation unique....born of no mother or father and also considered a "son of God".

Wasalam and Peace,
Hana

Well, this is because the Book of Generations was broken, but it's nothing that can't be repaired. The Greek translations did serious damage, though I still find it amsuing, things like calling the Nephilim, giants. I would have called them "Godless a--holes" but what ever. Rome, or more specifically, Constantine, really mixed things up by giving the attributes of Sol Invictus (Persian import of the Sun God, Mithras) to Jesus so they could have a day to celebrate his birth. I'm sure that seemed like a harmless transfer of tradition at the time, but... man, does it make my head spin when added to all the other tamperings and misunderstandings. All the fighting now isn't helping my cause either (it's a big distraction), but it comes as no surprize to me.

Ninth Scribe

**Link** · 05-05-2006

Abu Musab Zarqawi, I believe, will be coming of age this October.

come on Ninth Scribe admit, Zarkawi is one of you guys, you got him to join you when he was still a drug dealer in jail right?

but lady, let me tell you a good fact you need to know, the day drug dealers are chosen by God is the day when pigs fly, okey doke

kay: (such people are chosen but only by Sayateen/Jinn/Aliens or human Sayateen)

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-06-2006

Originally Posted by Link

Come on Ninth Scribe admit, Zarkawi is one of you guys...

A varient and a statement that just landed you in strange territory....

Just which one of 'you guys' do you think I am?

ROFLMAO... think carefully now... Who am I?

Ninth Scribe aka: ??????

*noor · 05-06-2006

how many sons does God have???

hmmm.....let me think....ok i think i have the answer...............NONE!!!

**.iSlaM inSiDe.** · 05-06-2006

Allah hasnt got wife a dad or mum or children ..

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-06-2006

Originally Posted by nurofislam

how many sons does God have???

hmmm.....let me think....ok i think i have the answer...............NONE!!!

Exactly. The title Bene Elohim was metaphorical in it's meaning, addressed to certain of the Men who came of age. I could use the word, Imam, and it would mean almost the same thing. But this was an old Hebrew title, and it follows certain traditions. Some studies are not taught to men who are younger than 40 years old and they must be married... In this light, one would question whether or not, Jesus would have even qualified... since the Christians are always saying he never married.

For those who are more curious about these requirements, I offer this one example (although I have compiled many more):

"This is where some of the well-known restrictions on Kabbalah study came from -- that you have to be forty years old, married with a family, well-versed in Bible and Talmud, and so on. These rules were put into place due to a historical event, and were couched in the worldview of that historical moment. That is why I do not adhere to them as written -- I am not forty, not married, and I do not have the level of Talmudic knowledge specified in some texts."

Source: http://www.metatronics.net/spirit/list504.htm - 4th paragraph down

Ninth Scribe

**hanifi** · 05-06-2006

"And if you commit shirk (associating partners with Allah) all of your works would be in vain (destroyed) and you wilt definitely be among those who are the losers". [Al-Zumar 39:65]

"Great" people who worked towards good in this life and died in the state of disbelief have NO chance in the hereafter

**Ninth_Scribe** · 05-06-2006

Originally Posted by hanifi

"And if you commit shirk (associating partners with Allah) all of your works would be in vain (destroyed) and you wilt definitely be among those who are the losers". [Al-Zumar 39:65]

"Great" people who worked towards good in this life and died in the state of disbelief have NO chance in the hereafter

Shirk? The title Bene Elohim was recorded before the Quran was written, so what sin was commited by those who used this name back then?

Also please try to remember before you make judgements against me that this is the internet and as such, you do not know me. I could be anyone, so we should leave the matter of Judgement to Allah

Ninth Scribe

**PrIM3** · 05-06-2006

Originally Posted by Ninth_Scribe

Exactly. The title Bene Elohim was metaphorical in it's meaning, addressed to certain of the Men who came of age. I could use the word, Imam, and it would mean almost the same thing. But this was an old Hebrew title, and it follows certain traditions. Some studies are not taught to men who are younger than 40 years old and they must be married... In this light, one would question whether or not, Jesus would have even qualified... since the Christians are always saying he never married.

For those who are more curious about these requirements, I offer this one example (although I have compiled many more):

"This is where some of the well-known restrictions on Kabbalah study came from -- that you have to be forty years old, married with a family, well-versed in Bible and Talmud, and so on. These rules were put into place due to a historical event, and were couched in the worldview of that historical moment. That is why I do not adhere to them as written -- I am not forty, not married, and I do not have the level of Talmudic knowledge specified in some texts."

Source: http://www.metatronics.net/spirit/list504.htm - 4th paragraph down

Ninth Scribe

hey Ninth Scribe

well I am sure you probally already know this... or what ever... but maybe Jesus was married but metaphorically I guess (its safe for me to say).. many times in the Bible it states that Jesus will come back to take His bride back agian... idk

**Abdullah4ever** · 05-07-2006

SONS OF GOD!! May allah guide you misguided ones. Allah has no son as some proved by some verses in the quran.

(3) And say: "All the praises and thanks be to allah, Who has not begotten a son (nor an offspring), and Who has no partner in (His) Dominion, nor He is low to have a Walee (helper, protector or supporter). And magnify Him with all the magnificence, (allahu-Akbar (allah is the Most Great))."
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #111)

And in surah maryam allah proves he has no son.

19: 89. And they say, `The Gracious God has taken unto Himself a son.'

19: 90. Assuredly, you have indeed uttered a most hideous thing.

19: 91. The heavens might well-nigh burst thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces.

19: 92. Because they ascribe a son to the Gracious God.

19: 93. It becomes not the Gracious God that HE should take unto Himself a son.

19: 94. There is none in the heavens and the earth but he shall come to the Gracious God as a bondman.

19: 95. Verily, HE comprehends them by HIS knowledge and has numbered them all fully.

19: 96. And each of them shall come to HIM on the Day of Resurrection, all alone.

Edit:

I forgot about surah nisa.

5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more that a Messenger, many were Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a believing woman. They both used to eat food. Look at how We make the proofs and evidences clear to them, yet look at how they are deluded away.

3:59
'Verily, the likeness of Jesus before God is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, 'Be!' and he was'.

5:72
Indeed they reject the truth who say 'God is Christ the son of Mary'. For indeed Christ said worship God, who is my God and your God.

**PrIM3** · 05-07-2006

Originally Posted by Abdullah4ever

SONS OF GOD!! May allah guide you misguided ones. Allah has no son as some proved by some verses in the quran.

(3) And say: "All the praises and thanks be to allah, Who has not begotten a son (nor an offspring), and Who has no partner in (His) Dominion, nor He is low to have a Walee (helper, protector or supporter). And magnify Him with all the magnificence, (allahu-Akbar (allah is the Most Great))."
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #111)

And in surah maryam allah proves he has no son.

19: 89. And they say, `The Gracious God has taken unto Himself a son.'

19: 90. Assuredly, you have indeed uttered a most hideous thing.

19: 91. The heavens might well-nigh burst thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces.

19: 92. Because they ascribe a son to the Gracious God.

19: 93. It becomes not the Gracious God that HE should take unto Himself a son.

19: 94. There is none in the heavens and the earth but he shall come to the Gracious God as a bondman.

19: 95. Verily, HE comprehends them by HIS knowledge and has numbered them all fully.

19: 96. And each of them shall come to HIM on the Day of Resurrection, all alone.

may I ask you what is your input on the term "son"?

I think the Quran was trying to clear up the misunderstanding for those who actually thought that God took sexual relations with a human being... and then had a son

**Abdullah4ever** · 05-07-2006

Son as you say by jesus is the son of god... like his offspring

**PrIM3** · 05-07-2006

Originally Posted by Abdullah4ever

Son as you say by jesus is the son of god... like his offspring

well then that is where you are misunderstanding the term... not us

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