a little background. i have never belonged to any religion. i know a little about islam, less about christianity. i find islam more comfortable (not sure what word to use) than christianity.
islam and christianity are both proselytizing religions, so in this sense they are competitors.
question is, can the 2 religions co-exist or is a clash inevitable?
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Snake Legs I would say that depended on the teachings of the respective religions.
Snake Legs, I hope I am not getting to personal here, I have read a number of your posts and you seem like a pretty sensible person.
I hope you don’t see this question as me trying to promote my faith over Islam or that I am trying to imply that a sensible person can’t or wouldn’t favor Islam.
Do you mind telling me what you find more comfortable about Islam than Christianity?
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Yes. The clash is inevitable. Without getting into the theology (which I will gladly do) just look at the history of the Muslim faith and look at modern examples of this clash. When a Muslim is converted to Christianity, why is he hunted down by secret police, tortured, and almost forced to renounce his faith? This happened to someone I know from Eygpt (and I know it especially happens in other ME countries). Why did the Prophet Muhammad have such a hatred toward Jews and Chritians even during his lifetime (after his first year in Medina)? Abraham of the Old Testament had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, and Isaac is the father of the Jews. Two separate paths were taken, and now these two faiths are the most rivaled faiths in the world. I'll be happy to give you any information about Chritianity that I can give you, just ask.
I do believe that Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Satanists can live together as long as they dont interfere in other part's religious affairs.
Catholic priest Father William A. Christensen, S.M. is living in Dhaka, Bangladesh and is wanted by the Unites States authorities in connection to performing "Sexual Deviant Acts" on minor boys. The child sexual molester Father William A. Christensen is living in Lalmatia, Bangladesh. He is still working with children. Be advised that this pedophile is still a grave danger to children. Please pass this info on to the Islamic community so there children will to away from Christensen. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...52187#continue
Here is a website that explains the amount of trouble that Christensen is hiding out from. The Catholic Church has been harbouring this child molester for years. Please inform your Islamic community. Walk in Peace
What the h*ll is this? What it has to do with this thread?
Yes. The clash is inevitable. Without getting into the theology (which I will gladly do) just look at the history of the Muslim faith and look at modern examples of this clash. When a Muslim is converted to Christianity, why is he hunted down by secret police, tortured, and almost forced to renounce his faith? This happened to someone I know from Eygpt (and I know it especially happens in other ME countries). Why did the Prophet Muhammad have such a hatred toward Jews and Chritians even during his lifetime (after his first year in Medina)? Abraham of the Old Testament had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael is the father of the Arabs, and Isaac is the father of the Jews. Two separate paths were taken, and now these two faiths are the most rivaled faiths in the world. I'll be happy to give you any information about Chritianity that I can give you, just ask.
God Bless.
Why it's easier for Muslims to convert to other religion in Indonesia and Turkey? So not all Muslim countries did that (hunted down by secret police etc). Furhtermore I think the Islamists are more discriminated than the apostates.
Snake Legs I would say that depended on the teachings of the respective religions.
Snake Legs, I hope I am not getting to personal here, I have read a number of your posts and you seem like a pretty sensible person.
I hope you don’t see this question as me trying to promote my faith over Islam or that I am trying to imply that a sensible person can’t or wouldn’t favor Islam.
Do you mind telling me what you find more comfortable about Islam than Christianity?
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Nimrod
no problem. i like monotheism for philosophical reasons.
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I do believe that Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Satanists can live together as long as they dont interfere in other part's religious affairs.
this is my hope but it seems that religion itself is divisive. aside from that, can you really say that a proselytizing religion is not committed to interfering in others' religious affairs? aren't they both obliged to do this?
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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Islam was brought down as a last warner/guidance for the Christians and the Jews to bring them back to the straight path. Although some of the laws were new but the jist of the message that was conveyed to them was the same as previous revelations. All revelations from God required the humans to submitt themselves to Allah.
Co-existence of Christians and Muslims does not mean that you agree with the laws and commandments of either ideology. From an Islamic prespective, we should not or rather we are not allowed to compramize our Eeman to appease the people around you. The people of the book were provided with the true knowledge from their Lord, to which if they had been steadfast to would have lead them to accept the final Prophet (pbuh) to them.
If there was no more revelation after Christianity, this world would have been full of kufr and shirk. The purpose of everything that exists around us would have been nullified and thus destroyed. Thus in order to bring back people to At-Tauheed or Onness of Allah, Islam was sent down. A beautiful religion and a blessing for all mankind, only if the Non-Muslims understood.
"Say : 'O People of the Book! Come to common terms as between us and you : That we worship none but Allah ; that we associate no partners with Him ; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye : 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)." (46)
The people who cry about freedom are slaves to their own desires. I am a slave of my Exalted and Merciful Rabb, Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Alhamdulillah
not really sure if i can explain this. i just like the idea of oneness - it makes sense to me but i'm not sure why. i don't think god would need siblings or children or assistance of any kind. that doesn't make any sense to me.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
Co-existence of Christians and Muslims does not mean that you agree with the laws and commandments of either ideology. From an Islamic prespective, we should not or rather we are not allowed to compramize our Eeman to appease the people around you.
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yes, you do not have to agree in order to co-exist or to compromise your iman. but muslims and christians are competing for souls, since they both require their believers to do dawa.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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a little background. i have never belonged to any religion. i know a little about islam, less about christianity. i find islam more comfortable (not sure what word to use) than christianity.
islam and christianity are both proselytizing religions, so in this sense they are competitors.
question is, can the 2 religions co-exist or is a clash inevitable?
It depend how you define co-existing and clashing, I suppose.
My personal view on proselytising is that people are not prompted to choose ar change their faith by other people - it is done by a higher power, an inner truth, which -to that person - then becomes undeniable!
Thereby proselytising (I am copying and pasting that word!!) is reduced to 'telling people about your faith', rather than 'trying to convince people of your faith'.
As for the co-existing, yes I believe religions can co-exist. I see it in my own community, or indeed in this cyber-community here.
But that cannot deny that in our heart of hearts we believe the other to be wrong. Most Christians and Muslims believe the other group to be doomed to God's punishment.
It begs the question, whether we are friends despite thinking that, or because of it (i.e. feeling pity for the other).
It also begs the question, whether we are friends just for the sake of being friends, or whether deep down we are still hoping to convert the other?
Soul-searching time!
I hope this ramble makes any sense at all, and I haven't gone off topic.
I should be banned from posting incoherent posts before 7 a.m.!
Enjoy your day!
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
My personal view on proselytising is that people are not prompted to choose ar change their faith by other people - it is done by a higher power, an inner truth, which -to that person - then becomes undeniable!
Exactly Glo... only God can make us born again...no man could possible do that.
i disagree-rather, why did the jews and christians have such hatred of the prophet? because they knew what he brought was the undeniable truth?
Really? Would you say that their behavior was similar to that you would expect from people who did not think that he brought the undeniable truth? How would someone who thought that what he had to say was blasphemy act?
And in passing, I believe the male Jews of the Banu Nadir (I think?) all died except one who converted to Islam. The rest, presumably, could have saved their lives if they converted as well, but only one did. Do you think this is the behavior of people who knew Muhammed brought an undeniable truth?
I think that you ought to stop infantalizing Jewish and Christian beliefs. They do not believe in Judaism and Christianity because they are stupid, ignorant or malicious. They will not believe if you simply repeat the same message over and over again but louder. They may be wrong, but they believe what they believe for what they believe are good reasons - not unlike you.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Really? Would you say that their behavior was similar to that you would expect from people who did not think that he brought the undeniable truth? How would someone who thought that what he had to say was blasphemy act?
And in passing, I believe the male Jews of the Banu Nadir (I think?) all died except one who converted to Islam. The rest, presumably, could have saved their lives if they converted as well, but only one did. Do you think this is the behavior of people who knew Muhammed brought an undeniable truth?
I think that you ought to stop infantalizing Jewish and Christian beliefs. They do not believe in Judaism and Christianity because they are stupid, ignorant or malicious. They will not believe if you simply repeat the same message over and over again but louder. They may be wrong, but they believe what they believe for what they believe are good reasons - not unlike you.
i don't know what ur on about heigou-but i was just replying to what someone else said...
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