I don't know much about Islam but from what i see on the t.v. it seems to be that a lot of Muslims when they get challenged about their faith resort to threats of violence. Like the danish cartoon stuff. Does anyone else here agree or disagree with this?
No they are just the minoritywhom resort to violence and threats, they dont speak for Islam...Look at Naik now das one hevi debata mashAllah or alternatively have a debate with Ansar Al'-Adal lol...best Li refuter muhahahahaha Peace x
Ya Muslimeen
Ya Mu’meneen
Open up your eyes
Aim for the ultimate prize
Which is paradise
Allah’s laws
By definition has no flaw
So why do we pause?
Tell me what’s the cause
Hold your applause
Takbir!!!!!
Allahu Akbar
Some of us just simply dont have the luxury of time for such a debate....
[PIE]There are other matters which are more important than that[/PIE]
Al-Asr (103.001-003) By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
Verily Man is in loss,
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds,
and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth,
and of Patience and Constancy.
I don't know much about Islam but from what i see on the t.v. it seems to be that a lot of Muslims when they get challenged about their faith resort to threats of violence. Like the danish cartoon stuff. Does anyone else here agree or disagree with this?
i agree with you and as a muslim this is quite embarassing. we just have to understand one another. they resort to such violence because for years us muslims (in specific countries) have been oppressed by other faiths and political heads. years of agrivation causes the ones who are sick of it to lash out. they werent like this four/five years ago. they just kept quite. and the others know which bone to pick. i mean, those pics of prophet muhammed (saw)were released in japan ages b4 denmark and noone cared coz noone is oppressed in japan...
if islam was the leading power and kept oppressing denmark and then went and released cartoons of christ im sure the same thing wud happen.
No they are just the minoritywhom resort to violence and threats, they dont speak for Islam...Look at Naik now das one hevi debata mashAllah or alternatively have a debate with Ansar Al'-Adal lol...best Li refuter muhahahahaha Peace x
Agreed! [BANANA]Go bro Ansar...[/BANANA]
Al-Asr (103.001-003) By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
Verily Man is in loss,
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds,
and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth,
and of Patience and Constancy.
Ya Muslimeen
Ya Mu’meneen
Open up your eyes
Aim for the ultimate prize
Which is paradise
Allah’s laws
By definition has no flaw
So why do we pause?
Tell me what’s the cause
Hold your applause
Takbir!!!!!
Allahu Akbar
I don't know much about Islam but from what i see on the t.v. it seems to be that a lot of Muslims when they get challenged about their faith resort to threats of violence. Like the danish cartoon stuff. Does anyone else here agree or disagree with this?
U have quoted it right on the t.v kind of things! That's the problem with the mainstream media. They very quick and efficient in pointing out Islam in a very negative ways. There are peaceful protests but more often than not, they are just simply ignored by these main stream media. Any coverage that portrays Islam as being equal to terrorisms, violence, intolerence etc. will be given TOP priority in their reporting.
Anyway, the whole episode of the danish cartoon stuff are done in a very bad taste! Nobody have the rights to insults, ridicule and make a mockery of anything just for the sake of democracy and free speech! It is actually an insults to democracy and free speech if it is used to justify to insults other people faith in sheer arrogance!
Al-Asr (103.001-003) By (the Token of) Time (through the ages),
Verily Man is in loss,
Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds,
and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth,
and of Patience and Constancy.
i mean, those pics of prophet muhammed (saw)were released in japan ages b4 denmark and noone cared coz noone is oppressed in japan...
Not true. They were first published in Denmark in September 2005, but the furore didn't receive international attention until early 2006, after some Imams took it upon themselves to tour the Middle East promoting action against them.
Regarding the topic of this thread: I think it is certainly the case that some Muslims prefer not to debate. Many don't see it as being important (even though it provides an opportunity to call others to Islam), and some simply don't have the intellectual firepower to handle it. However, there's a flipside to this, which is that Muslims are only supposed to discuss the finer points of their theology if they are what is called "knowledgable". This discourages a lot of Muslims from debating, and they defer to more knowledgable Muslims to do the job for them. Unfortunately this means that the Muslim knowledge base tends to be held by only a few members of society.
Some Muslims take offence at any questioning of their faith and resort to threats of violence. These are the kinds of people who protested so violently in London about the Danish cartoons. Fortunately that particular breed of Muslim is not strongly represented here on the forum, and threats of violence tend to be met with disciplinary action by the mods.
Of the debaters mentioned so far: in my view Ansar Al-'Adl is the best debater here on the forum - he conducts himself with respect and uses logic and scientific knowledge very well. Other prominent debaters on the forum are Muhammad, Fi Sabililah and Ahmed.
I think Ansar does a much better job than Dr. Zakir Naik, who is revered by many members here. Superficially, Naik puts on a good show: his recall of Biblical and Qur'anic verses is phenomenal. However, his arguments do not stand up to logical scrutiny, and generally rely on the authority of the texts he promotes. Therefore, he is convincing to someone who already agrees with him, but not to anyone else.
So, to conclude: there are Muslims who are keen to debate, but you need to look quite hard to find someone prepared to do it in what non-Muslims would consider to be a rational and intellectually honest way.
Not true. They were first published in Denmark in September 2005, but the furore didn't receive international attention until early 2006, after some Imams took it upon themselves to tour the Middle East promoting action against them.
are u sure? hey!!! i was about to go to bed...and still am coz where i cum from its 2:22am...so it doesnt matter if ur sure im sorry....but im pretty sure it was released in japan first...maybe u cud ask around the forum???
i agree with you and as a muslim this is quite embarassing. we just have to understand one another. they resort to such violence because for years us muslims (in specific countries) have been oppressed by other faiths and political heads. years of agrivation causes the ones who are sick of it to lash out. they werent like this four/five years ago. they just kept quite. and the others know which bone to pick. i mean, those pics of prophet muhammed (saw)were released in japan ages b4 denmark and noone cared coz noone is oppressed in japan...
if islam was the leading power and kept oppressing denmark and then went and released cartoons of christ im sure the same thing wud happen.
For years? Where? You mean in Turkey? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Egypt? Colonialism was a long time ago and did not touch some Muslim countries - those with the most radical and violent terrorist groups for instance. Nor did most European powers rule with anything other than respect for Islam.
I agree they were not like this four or five years ago, or rather smaller numbers of them were. What do you think has changed? Let me suggest that Muslims are getting richer and stronger.
No one reads the Japanese papers more like. They were also punlished in Egypt months before the fuss. People might be oppressed in Egypt but it did not cause any fuss. I think that these cartoons have been exploited by clever people to raise tensions in the Muslim world and create more terrorism.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Its not that their scared of debate its just they get carried away with recalling what scholars have said, muslims need to take time out away from mosques and parents and learn Islam for themselves, its not enuff to come on the forum and agree with the person who writes the most, quality not quantity people
For years? Where? You mean in Turkey? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Egypt? Colonialism was a long time ago and did not touch some Muslim countries - those with the most radical and violent terrorist groups for instance. Nor did most European powers rule with anything other than respect for Islam.
I agree they were not like this four or five years ago, or rather smaller numbers of them were. What do you think has changed? Let me suggest that Muslims are getting richer and stronger.
No one reads the Japanese papers more like. They were also punlished in Egypt months before the fuss. People might be oppressed in Egypt but it did not cause any fuss. I think that these cartoons have been exploited by clever people to raise tensions in the Muslim world and create more terrorism.
ur bak to haunt me arent u...in my dreams....im sleeping now. and turkey isnt recognised as a muslim country...look up encylos...i'll just say that im talking about oil stealing and putting iran and iraq against eachother and iranis against iranis, and bringing muslimsd in france to the level of rioting due to no employment of muslims.but some ppl are jsut blind to the truth coz "why wud anione wana do that?" right?
you have five mins to reply coz im going to bed...thats if u wish to write bak...
I have a lot of reasons why i do not believe in Islam if anybody would like to debate these that would be interesting for me.
If not that's fine as well it was good to read the honest answers that you all posted.
So if anyone would like a debate let me know or where to go on the website to start one.
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