Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
lol thats the typical question, bla bla how can you see worship Allah (swt) when you cant see him?
1st of all we are too low, to see god, and Allah (swt) made us so we can worship him!!
i think these questions need to be asked to the boii
1 - how do you know your parents love you? can you see love?
2 - how do you know we breath in air & let it out, can you see the air?
3 - erm erm are you gay lol naaa but these questions may sound dumb, but when a dumb question like that is asked, you have to give dumb questions back!
when i hear things like that it always reminds me of surah Baqarah v 7
khatama allahu alaa qulubeehim, wa ala samihim, wa ala absaarihim ghisa wa wa la hum adhabun azeem
Allah (swt) has sealed their hearts, and on their eyes is a covering, and for them is a great punishment
"Allah (swt) has sealed their hearts, and has put a cover on their eyes for them is punishment"
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
Does he believe in air? You know, we've only recently developed the technology that allows us to see it. But you can DEFINATELY tell when it's gone.
Light... same principle. Light shines whether you can physically see it or not. It's day time here. It's night time half way around the world. Just because the folks on the other half of the world can't see it yet, doesn't mean it isn't shining. There are also different types of light as we know, and some can't be seen with the human eye, like UV rays. I could go on, but it's a boring argument.
Intelligence existed before flesh and matter. How else could matter have formed in an intelligent manner?
Desire formed before flesh and matter. If it didn't and we were ONLY flesh, we would have no DESIRE to risk our lives for others. We do this only because we intuitively know there is more to the picture than flesh. We come here by the hand of the people who came here before us and we'll leave here, by the hand of those who left here before us.
Not the most Islamic mindset in the world, but it's a very basic principle.
Ninth Scribe
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Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
Well, I don't see blackholes or gravity, but I believe in them. In short, I've enough indirect proof to believe in them.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
Can't see atoms or oxygen or dustmites either, but I still believe in them.
Also, a blind person can't see the world so it doesn't mean it doesn't exist just because the person said it. And its easier to believe that something was created by someone than by no-one at all.
"The Majority of us havn't seen our brain either"
Well, you can crack the skull of a dead person and see inside.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
Yeah ^^ i agree, but we still havn't seen it in our own head [even though it is possible for us to do that insha'Allah] but we havn't, yet we still believe it.
Believing that there may be something out there a kin to a godforce (chi, if you will) is a lot different than believing in a specific God of a Religion, with defined characteristics and demands.
In the end I suppose it comes down to what you get out of believing. If belief gives you comfort, gives you a sense of purpose, etc, then I say go ahead and believe.
Just don't then turn around and laugh at people who believe in other things they have no evidence for but give them something, like Santa or space men.
Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
Ask him how he can possible believe that the world, as amazing as it is, came into existence without being created by an Al-Mighty Creator, i.e. God.
Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
This might be harsh but it works sometimes. Slap that person really hard across his/her face and ask them if they felt something and obviously they will say yes it hurts, now ask them could you show me that pain????
Well don't do that but i'm sure you got my point.
9.51. Say: "Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector": and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.
This might be harsh but it works sometimes. Slap that person really hard across his/her face and ask them if they felt something and obviously they will say yes it hurts, now ask them could you show me that pain????
Well don't do that but i'm sure you got my point.
Forgive me, brother, but that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Apart from inflicting pain on another human being, the analogy does not work at all.
Of course modern science and medicine has knowledge and can evidence how pain in received by nerve endings, transmitted via the nervous system and received and interpreted in the brain.
We know how the perception of pain arises, and we can make it disappear.
How does that relate to the existance of God?
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
Someone asked me, how can you believe something you can't see. He doesn't have faith because having worked as a cop for 17 yrs. what would you say to that?
He believes in nature but doesn't believe in God? He can't see nature either, only it's attributes. But he doesn't believe that nature is the Will of God?
Does he think that nature governs Earth perfectly on its own accord? Then why does nature wreak havoc on earth? Why doesn't it regulate itself so that there are no barren lands, droughts, floods, earthquakes and storms that cause destruction? If nature by it's own will made the day turn into the night and the night into day with perfect timing, for our benefits, then why does it have flaws?
So nature cannot be in control of itself. It cannot choose to yield vegetation on barren land. It cannot prevent climate changes, that are destructive. In short nature is not self-sufficient. That is the attribute of the Creator of the heavens and Earth alone.
Anything that is not self-sufficient must be being controlled by a higher power - a stonger force. If nature governs earth, then God governs nature.
If you take God out then you're saying that nature created itself. If nature was powerful enough to creat itself, why didn't it create itself to be self-sufficient? Nature is limited in it's power. Therefore it has a higher force governing it. That force is the Will of God.
It is the will of God that governs the entire Universe. This life is a test. If God was to show Himself then everyone would believe in Him. There'd be no test.
Does an examiner show you the answer sheet before the exam? No, that would defeat the purpose of taking an exam. Right?
He gave us His Signs to test our faith in Him. How can we pass the test if we close our eyes to them?
Only when we acknowledge these signs to be proof of God's existence, will we enlighten our hearts and minds with faith - the ultimate belief that God exists.
Forgive me, brother, but that doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Apart from inflicting pain on another human being, the analogy does not work at all.
Of course modern science and medicine has knowledge and can evidence how pain in received by nerve endings, transmitted via the nervous system and received and interpreted in the brain.
We know how the perception of pain arises, and we can make it disappear.
How does that relate to the existance of God?
You in believe in god but you can't see him
You believe that there is pain but you can't see it or show it.
The pain exists but you can't see it, it's the same way that god exists but you can't see him. ---
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9.51. Say: "Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us: He is our protector": and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.
You in believe in god but you can't see him
You believe that there is pain but you can't see it or show it.
The pain exists but you can't see it, it's the same way that god exists but you can't see him. Just an example, don't need to get excited. Might not be the best answer but it makes sense.
"Well don't do that but i'm sure you got my point"
please learn how to read.......
Greetings, Inshallah
Please forgive me if I have offended you. That was not my intention.
My point was that you can show pain - through brain imaging.
peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
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lol naaa but these questions may sound dumb, but when a dumb question like that is asked, you have to give dumb questions back!
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
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