Edit on request of Grace seeker himself: This thread covers significantly more issue than just music which in has been sufficiently addressed over the last several month; new posters are requested to join the thread in progress on the last page, rather then just repeating what has already been stated numerous times among the many pages of this thread.
Having read the Quran and other books about Islam, and having been on these boards a short period of time there are many things I have learned about Islam. Some I agree with, some I don't. Much I respect. A few things I am still leary of.
And then there are those things that I still don't fully understand, or at least don't understand the reasoning behind them. (Perhaps for some there is none; maybe it is just what is commanded.)
First, among the things I am curious about, is the role of music, or maybe I should say the absence of a role for music. Music plays an important part in the life and worship of both Christianity and Judaism. If Islam is the same message that would have been presented by all of the prophets, and music had such an important place previously in the practice of worship, why didn't those prophets condemn it? And since they didn't, why is it not allowed now? And yet, the call to worship itself sounds like a type of chant, isn't this a form of music?
Is it just in worship that music is not allowed? On the forums I hear people talk about music as if it is itself an evil thing? Yet I know that many Muslims enjoy music, that folk music is central to the lives of many people scattered around the world in nearly every country, and these include Muslims. The whirling dervishes of Turkey are supposedly a type of worship and are most certainly accompanied to music. Some people grow rich by marketing special types of music specifically to Muslims. So, many of these things just don't fit together for me.
What is halal and what is haram in regards to music? What makes one halal and the other haram?
Last edited by Abdul Fattah; 07-27-2007 at 12:22 AM.
Music like "Nasheeds" is not Haram, but it depends on the intention. Music that talks about sex, drugs, alcohol like most hip hop rap music - Major Haram! May Allah guide us all Insha'Allah.
Read this link that contains Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) about Music.
You would understand once you analyze Matthew More. The name Jesus is actually English, but English is not his language but Aramaic. He is from Palestine. its Actually Isa. As Muslim we believe that he has a 2nd coming that would correct every about his followers who actually worships him, while when he was at the cross he called to God and he said "Eli, Eli, La ma sabachtani"
Eli - in the bible, english accent. but if its Aramaic accent and language, its Elah or Elahi if you watched passion of the christ, you would understand.
In Arabic, Allah, in Aramaic Ellah,Elah or Elahi
Hope this help a bit, but again please Analayze The Gospel of Matthew.
May God' peace and blessings be upon you all.
I believe that Grace Seeker has answered the question adequately. As I am not highly intelligent, your answer is somewhat confusing.
I am also keen to learn your answer to
So, Haron, do you believe that Isa did indeed cry out to Allah ("Eli, Eli, La ma sabachtani") from the cross?
You would understand once you analyze Matthew More. The name Jesus is actually English, but English is not his language but Aramaic. He is from Palestine. its Actually Isa. As Muslim we believe that he has a 2nd coming that would correct every about his followers who actually worships him, while when he was at the cross he called to God and he said "Eli, Eli, La ma sabachtani"
Eli - in the bible, english accent. but if its Aramaic accent and language, its Elah or Elahi if you watched passion of the christ, you would understand.
In Arabic, Allah, in Aramaic Ellah,Elah or Elahi
Hope this help a bit, but again please Analayze The Gospel of Matthew.
May God' peace and blessings be upon you all.
and part of my initial answer was
As I am not highly intelligent, your answer is somewhat confusing.
Haron♥Islam, I am very sorry for reacting somewhat sarcastically (although believe me, partly true) What I was actually saying is that I cannot really make out exactly what you meant. Assume you meant that Jesus will put Christian error right?
As far as the name of Jesus is concerned, it would seem that ,jē´zus (Ἰησοῦς, Iēsoús, for יהושׁע, yehōshua‛): pronounced Yahushua was the original name. A close phonetic transliteration of Jesus' Hebrew name into modern English would be Yeshua'
Anatolian, most Christians are probably not aware that this is as much a part of the Islamic understanding of the end of the world as it is in the Christian faith, maybe you could provide a little more information about exactly when it is that Jesus is supposed to return and what it is that Jesus will actually do when he returns.
Salam grace.Yes I understand, Christians would expect us to believe that Muhammed aleyhisselam will come back...
The exect time was not fortold by the Prophet but there are hadiths which describe almost all of the events of the end times.The second coming of Jesus/Isa aleyhissalam will happen after some special events occure.The events will happen like this.
1.The life styles of both muslims and non-muslims will go worse.The morality will fall down.The murderings will rise,violence,terror.The cabal,instigation,disorder will rise..etc.There will be people who hate/against muslims/Islam.They will attack muslims.
2.The rise of Mahdi.Mahdi will 'resurrect' Islam within muslims and unite them by cleaning the cabal.After that he will lead muslims against those anti-muslims and will win firstly.
3.Then dejjal/anti-christ will rise and He will overcome Mahdi.Mahdi will bring many to Islam and Dejal will bring many to himself, will claim to be God and will make people to worship himself.Dejjal is prophised by the Prophet as the worst cabal a muslim can see.
4.Then Isa aleyhissalam will come and will finish Dejjal and his cabal.
In the same way that those of us who are not Muslim and speak English know Isa better as Jesus, are there other names by which we might know any of these other persons: for instance, Mahdi or the cabal?
You did explaiin that dejjal is also known as anti-Christ; is this a regular person or a supernatural being?
In the same way that those of us who are not Muslim and speak English know Isa better as Jesus, are there other names by which we might know any of these other persons: for instance, Mahdi or the cabal?
Mahdi is known as Mahdi also in English.It means "the guided one" in Arabic.According to the hadiths his real name will be Muhammed and he will be from Makkah.
Cabal is an english word, conspire, plot.I wrote "the cabal" to imply it's importance in the end times.Was that a wrong usage?
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You did explaiin that dejjal is also known as anti-Christ; is this a regular person or a supernatural being?
Maybe I shouldn't say anti-Christ.In some Islamic sources it is used in the place of Dejjal since there is a similar character called anti-Christ in the Christian eschatology.Dejjal means "deciever" in Arabic.It is also called Masih Dejjal "The deciever Messiah".He will be a human most probably, but will perform some miracles and this will make people believe him.
Cabal is an english word, conspire, plot.I wrote "the cabal" to imply it's importance in the end times.Was that a wrong usage?
No, it isn't a wrong usage. It just isn't a word I use a lot, and I wasn't sure if maybe you meant it with some sort of particular Islamic connotation attached.
I understood that it was Allah who sent the Qur'an to Muhammad. Is that not what Al-Hijr (15L9) says?
Now, I don't speak Arabic, but three different generally reliable English translations all have a plural noun as the subject of this passage:
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YUSUFALI: We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
PICKTHAL: Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.
SHAKIR: Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
Salam grace.There are many other verses in Quran like this in which Allah refers to Himself as "We".Acording to the inference of a bro which I agree when Allah talks about His Majesty, Greatness, says "We" and when He talks about His Mercy, closeness, says "I".
Dejjal means "deciever" in Arabic.It is also called Masih Dejjal "The deciever Messiah".He will be a human most probably,
My belief is that he will not be but already is in existence and is chained up securely and will escape from place of his imprisonment eventually (I also believe him to be leader/imam of a certain sect which exists today and has existed since the times of Hazrat Ali Razi Allah Anhu.
but will perform some miracles and this will make people believe him.
will perform tricks that will appear to be miraculous which only deceive the naïve and the disbelievers
Salam grace.There are many other verses in Quran like this in which Allah refers to Himself as "We".Acording to the inference of a bro which I agree when Allah talks about His Majesty, Greatness, says "We" and when He talks about His Mercy, closeness, says "I".
So it simply use of the royal "we", sort of how Queen Elizabeth referred to herself as "we"?
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
The Meaning of The Pronoun "We" As Used in The Qur'aan
by
Brother Yahya Adel Ibrahîm
It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur'an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue. ( Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 4/143).
"Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning):'Verily, We have given you a manifest victory" [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that."
( Al-'Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).
These words, innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say " We have decided…" etc. [This is known in English as "The Royal We" – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect.
The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur'an innaa ("Verily We") and nahnu ("We"), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as:
"Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur'an)"
[al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings):
"And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [al-Baqarah 2:163] and
"Say: He is Allaah, the One" [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth.
Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.
(Al-'Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109).
a huge controversy is going on now in my country . A big statue represenating folk singer was situated in front of the national airport. It was to show the local tradition to the foreigners. But students of Madrasha pulled it down.
A writer wrote against it . He claimed that Prophet Muhammed (p) allowed a beautiful image of Mother Mary (p) that was drawn inside the pillar of holy Kaaba . He did that out of his love for art . So , if any statue / image is not created for worship purpose , it should be allowed to built .
I want to know if really there was any image of Mother Mary (p) inside the Kaaba after the Macca victory ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
I have a question regarding the vision of muslim paradise. From what I know ( and I know not much) when muslim goes to heaven, he is able to have sexual contacts with numerous women (virgins), I dont know how it is with women. My question is, doesnt this vision contradict bit the muslim morality which concentrates on living in purity. Isnt the physical pleasure something that doesnt match to place like Heaven?
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
I have a question regarding the vision of muslim paradise. From what I know ( and I know not much) when muslim goes to heaven, he is able to have sexual contacts with numerous women (virgins), I dont know how it is with women. My question is, doesnt this vision contradict bit the muslim morality which concentrates on living in purity. Isnt the physical pleasure something that doesnt match to place like Heaven?
As I said before in a previous thread (The wealth of Paradise), noone truly knows what is in store for us in Paradise. What is written in the Quran in regards to it may be metaphorical or it may simply put into words/terminology which we can understand - none of us can verify this since we've not been there.
As with all things promised in paradise, you're follow up question is likely to say: well, why is it in the Quran then?
From where I stand: As a form of enticement. Let's say you're with your child. Now, he or she is playing Nintendo. You and your child have a plane to catch, which you don't want to be late for - and if he/she continues playing nintendo, you will miss the flight! You say to the child that: don't play the nintendo now - but, when we get to hawaii or japan (or whatever the destination is) you can play all you want. Another, and probably more relevant example would be telling your child you cannot/are not allowed to chew gum in singapore (because of the laws that have made it illegal to do so) but when they go to XYZ country, they can chew all they want.
Of course, I could be completely wrong on this - who knows
Edit: I forgot to mention, I am simply a layman - if you want a detailed answer (and probably more reliable one) please consult an imaam, scholar or sheik on the matter - what I have given above is an answer based on my understanding of Islam (which is proned to error). As a general note: anything you read about Islam (especially on the internet), you should always consult an imaam, scholar or sheik to verify it.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
I have a question regarding the vision of muslim paradise.
I read few answers in other site. Looks like scholars have different views. Some believe it will be real . Like alcohol is forbidden here but will be allowed in paradise ; 72 virgins will be allowed for men there. Some believe rewards will be spiritual only.
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