Which religion is closest to Islam?

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme

The Romans? They were the only people who could legally crucify anyone.

Then let me have the pleasure of quoting you quote your god!

Jesus said, "My Kingdom does not belong to this world; if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!"
So Pilate asked him, "Are you a king, then?"
Jesus answered: "You say that I am a king. I was born and came into this world for this one purpose, to speak about the truth. Whoever belongs to the truth listens to me."
"And what is truth?" Pilate asked. (John 18:36-38)

No, you listed about six things (could've been seven, your grammar is appalling), and I simply stated that that is still more things needed to commit yourself to Christianity than the Five Pillars in Islam.

And those are what? which part of my query was difficult for you to understand? You can always look up pederast in the dictionary if it flew over your head!

It is very hard to go against nature, hence why I have so much respect for them. In mosques, women and men are segregated so they can focus on God alone and not each other. The premise is similar, only that it isn't just for a mosque service, it's for a whole life- a whole lifetime not being interested in sex or women or men- just God, God alone. It's a commitment that only a few can manage.

and they have proven excellent at keeping said promise..

mosques aren't segregated btw.. there is an area for men and an area for women in most mosques but it need not be.. does this look segregated?




all the best!

(your grammar is appalling)

Appalling ????
I could'nt find anything wrong with her grammar , no offense but it looks to me that when you cant counter an argument , then you start talking about interpretation or grammar

It is very hard to go against nature, hence why I have so much respect for them. .

Well , I am glad that most human beings arent like this ,else that would have threatened the existence of the human race

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme

He was addressing Pilate, who was a Roman govenor, and whose hands his fate lied in. It's actually pointless trying to point the blame at any group of people, considering no one is alive today who was back then. Rather, blame individuals- maybe you won't come across as so hate filled then.

I am not the one who wrote:

if my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. No, my kingdom does not belong here!

perhaps it is best to think twice before your next sentence as you tighten the noose around your neck with each subsequent post.. Does it really matter who Jesus was addressing? It doesn't say in your bible that your god has a fear of being handed over to Jewish authorities?

You said a lifelong commitment in Christianity required:


Being a Christian
Believe that Jesus died
Eat your sins
Eat piggies
Stay uncircumcised
Allow gay marriages
And keep nothing of the Covenant. That's seven.



Evidently.

You failed to show us that beyond this, any other ones exist, save to remain celibate and perhaps take in the occasional altar boy for a toy?

Oops, I meant all but one- sorry for generalising!

Segregation is when you have a church for white people and a church for black people, because if not burning them at the stake, they don't deserve to be in the same house.. respecting the sanctity of prayer and allowing for different comfort zones so when prayer which is a very physical act is performed one is focused on God rather than someone else' behind or cute little 13 year old is a different story all together...


all the best!

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme

He was handed over to the Jewish authorities and then subsequently the Roman authorities. This is mere general knowledge, it takes very little to understand. I don't know why you persist in such worthless arguments, or is it just your frustration of my admiration for the Jewish people?

I couldn't give a flying fig who you admire, I just love seeing you eat your words and write inconsistencies in every thread!

1) Burning at the stake? Are you referring to the Spanish Inquisition or the reign of Mary Tudor? Either way, I see little relevance.
2) A church for white people and a church for black people? You mean in the Deep South in America, populated by racist white folk with an IQ below room temperature? Because I honestly don't know of any other churches that only accept a congregation of one race; being a church in a predominantly white area is not the same as segregating black people from white people. Indeed, my church is a fine mix of around 60% black and 40% white, which is fine for someone like me.

No, I don't mean Tudor societies or inquisitions, I mean segregation and racism which was/is very relevant to the western world, which includes separate churches for blacks and whites in the name of an all loving all welcoming Jesus!

I don't profess to be an expert on Islam, but aren't jokes on peadophilia considered taboo? I mean, I don't mean to take such 'wit' in bad taste, but the line is crossed when you start making jokes on pedophiles. I suggest such desperate, silly and downright unacceptable jokes are kept within the boundaries of your skull and are not paraded on a religious website!

Scandals that have rocked the church to its foundation are hardly a joking matter.. I was being quite frank.. what you seem to admire in Christianity has been for the most part one of its greatest downfalls..


all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme

Symptoms of a lack of a social life no doubt!

And symptoms of a hypocrite on your end I bet?

You could do me the honour of providing links to these churches.

Are historical facts of segregation and slavery really that difficult to google?

there you go:

___Today, Emerson estimates only about 3.5 percent of congregations in this country that are racially mixed will remain that way.
___"Racism comes out when ... a church starts to integrate," said Emerson, an associate professor of sociology at Rice University in Houston. "Always a certain segment of people just leave. They don't want it. They can't take it."
http://www.baptiststandard.com/2002/...gregation.html

slavery and racism have always been a part of the west, and at the very christian roots that they so love to sanctimoniously parade around as a fraternity of 'brotherhood in christ'

One wonders why if they're not a joking matter you're making a joke out of them. Oh wait, you're insulting a whole denomination of Christianity with a billion adherents seriously. My consollation is knowing that unlike you, I don't judge Islam on a few terrorists, and make jokes of Islamic terrorist 'scandals'. I dunno what they call it these days... morals? Respect? Intelligence?

It doesn't matter to me if you judge Islam by terrorism.. I don't gain or lose anything from your convictions.. I am just telling you what those highly principled rites that you think outweigh Islamic tenets have offered. Jesus didn't impose said way or life nor rituals, and those who perform them seem to do more harm than good. They neither perpetuate the survival of their own kind, nor do they live an upstanding life and shift normal human desires to deviant byways!


all the best!

format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

slavery and racism have always been a part of the west, and at the very christian roots that they so love to sanctimoniously parade around as a fraternity of 'brotherhood in christ'

Christians are not alone in racial segregations. The Hindus of India follow caste system and prevent the lower caste "Untouchable" from entering temples and also prevent people from one caste to marry people from another caste.The Higher caste worship the supreme God while people from the lower caste worship the lower "Gods"


In the eyes of God everyone are equal

There are many hadiths which indicate the prohibition of anti-African attitudes. In one, the pagan al-Harith ibn Hisham is shamed for expressing amazement that the honour of calling the adhan should have been conferred upon Bilal, an Abyssinian. In another hadith, we read: 'A red-faced (i.e. white) man is not superior to a black one; superiority is only in piety. You are all from Adam, and Adam is from dust.' (Bukhari and Muslim)

format_quote Originally Posted by Airforce

Christians are not alone in racial segregations. The Hindus of India follow caste system and prevent the lower caste "Untouchable" from entering temples and also prevent people from one caste to marry people from another caste.The Higher caste worship the supreme God while people from the lower caste worship the lower "Gods"


In the eyes of God everyone are equal

There are many hadiths which indicate the prohibition of anti-African attitudes. In one, the pagan al-Harith ibn Hisham is shamed for expressing amazement that the honour of calling the adhan should have been conferred upon Bilal, an Abyssinian. In another hadith, we read: 'A red-faced (i.e. white) man is not superior to a black one; superiority is only in piety. You are all from Adam, and Adam is from dust.' (Bukhari and Muslim)

indeed, and you may enjoy reading this excepted passage in full at this site:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/290/
Description: The racial equality espoused by Islam and practical examples from history. Part 1: Racism in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

“God said: ‘What prevented you (O Satan) that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?’ Iblees (the Satan) replied: ‘I am better than him (Adam). You created me from fire, and him You created from clay.” (Quran 7:12)
So begins the history of racism. Satan thought himself superior to Adam on account of his origins. Since that day, Satan has misled many of Adam’s descendants into also believing themselves superior to others, causing them to persecute and exploit their fellow man. Quite often, religion has been used to justify racism. Judaism, for example, despite its Middle*-Eastern origins, is readily passed off as a Western religion; but the entry of Jews into all levels of Western society actually betrays Judaism’s elitist reality. A pious reading of the bible verse:
“There is no God in all the world but in Israel.” (2 Kings 5:15)
…would be to suggest that in those days God, or God, was not worshipped except by Israelites. However, Judaism today remains centered around its boast of ‘chosen’ racial superiority.
“Say: ‘O Jews! If you pretend that you are the beloved slaves of God to the exclusion of the rest of humanity, then long for death if you are really truthful.’” (Quran 62:6)
Conversely, while most Christians are overwhelmingly non*-Jew, Jesus, as the last of the Israelite Prophets, was sent to none but the Jews.[1]
“And (remember) when Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of God sent unto you, confirming the Torah before me and bearing glad tidings of a Messenger after me whose name shall be Ahmad[2]...’” (Quran 61:6)
And likewise every Prophet was sent exclusively to his own people,[3] every Prophet, that is, except Muhammad.
“Say (O Muhammad): ‘O People! I am the Messenger of God sent to you all…’” (Quran 7:158)
As Muhammad was God’s final Prophet and Messenger, his mission was a universal one, intended for not only his own nation, the Arabs, but all the peoples of the world. The Prophet said:
“Every other Prophet was sent to his nation exclusively, while I have been sent to all of humanity.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
“And We have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a bearer of glad tidings and a Warner to all mankind, but most of people know not.” (Quran 34:28)
Bilal the Abyssinian

One of the first to accept Islam was an Abyssinian slave named Bilal. Traditionally, black Africans were a lowly people in the sight of Arabs who thought them to be of little use beyond entertainment and slavery. When Bilal embraced Islam, his pagan master had him brutally tortured in the scorching desert heat until Abu Bakr, the Prophet’s closest friend, rescued him by buying his freedom.
The Prophet appointed Bilal to call the believers to prayer. The athan heard from minarets in every corner of the world since, echoes the exact same words recited by Bilal. Thus, a onetime lowly slave won a unique honor as Islam’s first muezzin.
“And indeed We have honored the Children of Adam...” (Quran 17:70)
Western romantics hail ancient Greece as being the birthplace of democracy.[4] The reality was that, as slaves and women, the vast majority of Athenians were denied the right to elect their rulers. Yet, Islam ordained that a slave could himself be ruler! The Prophet ordered:
“Obey your ruler even if he be an Abyssinian slave.” (Ahmad)

format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye

slavery and racism have always been a part of the west, and at the very christian roots that they so love to sanctimoniously parade around as a fraternity of 'brotherhood in christ'

Slavery and racism, as you say, have always been a part of the west. No denying that. It is shameful, and all the more so because many who were/are among the worst offenders also have claimed to be followers of Jesus who taught that love of neighbor is second only to love of God, who when asked about how one might identify one's neighbor answered with a parable in which the hero of the story was an outcast of society specifically because of his racial identifty (thus teaching that we shouldn't judge people that way), and who sent us to all the world with the message of God's love which is equally available without regard to age, race, nationality, sex, or social status.

That Christians should have ever condoned slavery and should continue to give evidence of racism is completely contrary to the message of the Gospel, and yet there is no denying that this is part and parcel of our history, nor is it as past as we would like to pretend. That this is so is to our great shame as the body of Christ and not indicative of who Christ calls us to be.